Healing your Gut & the Space Revolution with Naveen Jain

“When you cross the bridge, you need to burn the bridge because there is no going back. As long at the bridge is intact you will always have the tendency to go back. There is nothing to go back to, keep going forward.”

Naveen Jain 

Billionaire and renowned entrepreneur, Naveen Jain (@naveenjainceo) is driven to solving the world’s biggest challenges through innovations, dreaming big, and disruptions. He is the founder of Moon Express, World Innovation Institute, Viome, Intelius, InfoSpace, TalentWise, and iNome to name a few. Can we make chronic illness an option? Is living on the moon a near possibility? Moon Express might be the most exciting and well-known project Naveen created where he believes we are heading towards becoming a multi-planetary society. Before we venture into space, we need to strengthen and heal ourselves. Naveen’s obsession for helping people heal from inside out is his true driving force called, Viome. He founded his wellness company in hopes that chronic disease and illness would become optional and merely a choice. His drive to pave new roads in health, space, and mindsets is truly inspiring.

Naveen Jain

Naveen shares in this episode how he believes that we all have the power to fundamentally change our lives, make our lives successful and to do so he always asks himself personally a three-step process: why this, why now and why me? Naveen dives into the depths of limitations of the human mind. If you think of problems in the same way as others, then you will solve it the same way and you become the commodity. What is the question you are asking that is different than everyone else? Asking the right questions without having the right answer. Naveen explains that entrepreneurs do not start companies, they solve problems. 

In This Episode

  • 00:32 – Setorii introduces Naveen Jain, a billionaire and renowned entrepreneur, who is driven to solving the world’s biggest challenges through innovation, dreaming big, and disrupting the norm.
  • 04:50 – Naveen talks about his three-step process to starting a company.
  • 11:43 – Naveen shares stories about his life when he was young and how he acquired the drive to start everything in his life.
  • 18:55 – Naveen dives deep into the limitations of the human mind.
  • 25:55 – Naveen shares what he looks for when he mentors someone- both the good and the bad.
  • 31:45 – Naveen talks about the exciting projects that his company, Viome, is working on that can save lives.
  • 35:42 – Naveen explains how Health Intelligence and Precision Supplements work.
  • 40:42 – Setorii asks Naveen his goal and vision for Viome for the next 5-10 years.
  • 47:35 – Naveen talks about his other company, Moon Express.
  • 56:35 – Setorii and Naveen encourage listeners to reach out to Naveen through his social media accounts (LinkedIn, Twitter, Instagram, Youtube) or email him at for more information about his projects.

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We have always aspired to go to the moon and experience space exploration. It was romanticized by radio shows, TV shows like Star Trek, Jetsons, Doctor Who, and movies like Star Wars, ET, and Avatar. It has become a driving force for many explorers that want to push the boundaries of what we know and what we have already experienced. It is thanks to these courageous leaders that we have moved the needle from dreams and aspirations to possibilities and accomplishments. 

Ladies and gentlemen, let me introduce you to a man who is doing just that and helping people heal from inside and out through Science and Nutrition, Naveen Jain. Thank you so much, Naveen, for joining the podcast. I appreciate you making time. You just flew in, so thank you.

Well, first of all, Setorii, it’s an absolute honor. It’s always so good to see your smiling face all the time. I’m just absolutely looking forward to our conversation.

When I had the pleasure of meeting you, I remember leaving our conversation, and I was almost, as you can tell, speechless from what we talked about, from everything—from the moon to alignment and energies. It was such a pleasure meeting you. Thank you.

I thought you were speechless because of my charm. 

That too, of course. I know a lot of people when they’ve said that they’ve met you have said the same thing. You have a heart that is larger than life, and you love to help people. It’s something that when I’ve spoken to many people about you, the takeaway from so many people is you really do care about making a difference, and you really do touch people’s lives. That’s why I thought it was so perfect for you to share just some of your words of wisdom, so thank you.

First of all, Setorii, in life, people have this measure of success that your success really is about the money you have in the bank. I always felt that it’s such a poor way of measuring how you live your life because your success should never be measured by the amount in your bank. But it really should be about the number of lives you have truly touched and improved. If we really look at that measure of success, every one of us—it doesn’t matter where we are in our lives—can be successful because we all can change someone’s life. We can improve someone’s life, and we don’t have to have money to do so.

Just the fact you meet a homeless person, and you can give them five minutes of your time to just ask them, “How are you?” That would fundamentally change that person’s life for the whole day. My point is, every one of us has that power, but we never use that power. I think we get so caught up in this world about constantly chasing something because we’re starting to believe it is something or someone that makes us happy without realizing that happiness is something you carry inside you. You get to make that choice every single day. Do you want to be happy today, or do you want to be unhappy today?

If you want to be unhappy, it doesn’t matter who you are in that world. You can find a reason why your life is crappy, and you need to be unhappy about it. If you want to be happy, it doesn’t have to have much. You wake up in the morning, and you get off the bed and say, “Oh my God, I’m such a lucky fellow. My joints don’t hurt. Look at the person next to me who’s sleeping. I just love my life.” That’s the happiness that you make. That’s the choice you make.

Could you go into a little bit more for people to really understand what success is when it comes to business, friendship?

To some extent, success comes in many ways, and the way I define success is really improving the lives of the people who are around you, your co-humans, if I may say so. Humanity as such, we are brotherhood and sisterhood that really lives together. The more people’s lives we can touch in our lifetime and really make them better that means every single thing you do, you think about, “God forbid, I’m actually successful in doing it.” That really moves the needle, that it really helps millions and tens of millions and billions of people. That’s really how I start my business. 

When you start any company, I don’t care what it is you’re doing. I go through the three-step process. I just thought maybe it’s just me, but to me, it’s all about why this, why now, and why me? Let me explain to you because I think that’s just fundamental. If you ask that of us, it just changes everything. Why this comes to me in two forms, I’m currently working on Viome, and the idea is, can we fundamentally make it less optional? Can we actually give people tools and the choices they can make to get rid of chronic diseases? 

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To me, the first rule is, God forbid, you’re actually successful. Is it going to help a billion people? The answer was yes. The second part of the puzzle really is, is this the problem that you actually care enough that you’re so obsessed about it? Not passionate about it because passion is for losers; passion is for hobbies. When you want to go do something that’s going to help a billion people, you better be so obsessed that you go to sleep thinking about it, and you jump out of bed every morning thinking about it.

Here’s rule number one, if you don’t jump out of bed when you get up in the morning at 4 AM, whatever you’re doing, just quit that day because you’re really not working on something that you care enough to jump out of bed. If you ever have the snooze button or say, I just want to lie down for a few more minutes, you’re working on the wrong thing. Just quit that thing and start something else.

The second part of why now is that anytime you start something, you have to say, what is it that’s now possible that wasn’t possible a decade ago? Because when you start something, if that could have been done 10 years ago, then you have to wonder, you’re not the smartest guy in the universe. No one has done it. That means there has to be something that has changed for you to allow to say, I can do this. 

That means, what are the new sets of technology that have come around in the last 10 years that allow you to do it now? What are the confluences of convergence of things that are happening today that allow you to create this business now that wasn’t possible? COVID happened, boom. There are so many new businesses that can be created now that couldn’t have been created pre-COVID. My point is that moment that says time is now. 

When I started Viome, my thinking was, look, to do this, you have to understand human biology at a digital level. That means the cost of sequencing has to come down. The cost of processing data has to come down. The cost of AI has to be really slow and powerful, and those are all happening, and that the time is now.

The last part is really important, which is, why me? “Why me?” is what is it about this problem that I think differently from everyone else? Because if you’re thinking about the same problem in the same way, then you’re going to solve it exactly the same way, and you become the commodity. Every time you do something and say, what is the question that I’m asking that is different from everyone else? As an entrepreneur, you have to focus on asking the right questions, not necessarily having the right answer, because answers can come from many people. What question are you asking? Because that’s the problem you’re solving. 

To give you an example, in my previous business, Moon Express, when we say, “Look, we’re going to go to the moon, and we’re going to make humanity a multi-planetary society.” Everyone kept saying, “Okay. You tell me, how are you going to grow the food on the moon? If you’re going to live on the moon, how are you going to grow the food on the moon?” To me, that’s a question that simply, the only solution for that is how to grow the food. Now, what if you were to ask a question that is slightly different?

Why do we eat food? If we just ask this question, “Why do we eat food?” You say, we eat food because we need energy, and we eat food because we need nutrition. What are the ways we can get energy? What if we get energy from radiation? What if we can get energy from photosynthesis? What if the nutrition is hydrogen and oxygen, that’s water, and that solves a problem. My point is, just by simply asking a different question, now you have many, many ways of solving it rather than asking a question of how to grow the food.

That’s why I applied the same theory when I was doing Viome. The reason I keep bringing it is that I’m applying that theory to the actual work. When I started that, we realized that the gut is the most important part of human health. Everybody believes that. If everyone believes it and the problem is not getting solved, then why do you believe you can do something different if you’re asking the same question?

Ideas are simply a mechanism to do something. Any idea that does not work is simply a stepping stone to a different or bigger idea.
Ideas are simply a mechanism to do something. Any idea that does not work is simply a stepping stone to a different or bigger idea.

It occurred to me that everyone was asking the question, “I want to know every organism that is in the gut.” I said, “That’s the wrong question. The right question is, ‘what are they doing?’” That simple question of change, not who is there, but what they are producing because the body doesn’t care who is there, but they care about what they’re producing. That’s the only thing the body can sense. 

Just by changing that, we came up with a set of technology that allows us to see what is going on in the body rather than who is there. I tell you, within half a decade, we rewrote the book on human biology. We now understand exactly what is being produced and how it impacts human health. 

My point I’m trying to make is that this is the trick. When you are starting a company, be able to ask yourself those set of questions. That’s how you disrupt the industry and completely rethink, reimagine, and recreate a new industry.

Where did this drive start? You as a child, I read somewhere that you would sit in your room, you would look up, and you would look at the moon. And I was just curious. Take yourself back there and just share where did this drive come from? What made you, you?

To me, what really matters is what is it that I have learned going through this life and that I can impart to other people. To me, in everything you do in your life, people look for mentors. What I found really is that life is your biggest mentor. Life never stops teaching. It’s that we stop learning. If you look at everything that happens in your life as a learning moment, you never are far away from your mentor because life is going to keep putting the things in front of you, and you keep learning every single day.

Life, to me, became my mantra that it doesn’t matter what happens to life; that’s a learning lesson. Life is my mentor. I’m going to take everything that comes my way, and I’m going to say, what an amazing journey. 

If somebody would ask me, “If you could go back and change something, what would you do differently? What would you have done differently at that time?” My answer is absolutely nothing. Here’s why, because every single thing, every mistake I made, everything that I did make me who I am today. If I can go back and change that, I would be a different person, and I would not be who I am today. I love who I am today. Why would I want to change anything because that will have a ripple effect on what I become?

A lot of people, all of us get beaten down. People deal with things differently. You have a certain cadence to your inner drive that is so infectious. I speak for myself, but I know plenty of others feel this way. You just have this magnetic energy to you. Your parents never helped you get that? That didn’t stem from anywhere? That was just a life experience?

I grew up very poor. I think one of the things in life that really is when you have nothing, you have nothing to lose. I grew up poor—no food to eat, no place to stay in. To me, all that meant was life can only be better. It can’t get any worse. I’m going to go out and do things. It’s like, how to have a great time in life and still go to heaven. That’s the trick. Can you have the time of your life on earth and still go to heaven? People always try to say, and you can’t do that because that will not take you to heaven. I’m thinking, everything I do is going to take me to heaven. 

Again, coming back to it, the reason I don’t worry about the things people call “tough times” is the life of anybody, especially an entrepreneur. It’s like a heartbeat. It goes up and down and up and down, very smooth, you’re dead. The last thing you want to look for in life that is smooth because then you’re living a dead life. This tells you you’re alive.

When you are at the bottom of the beat, when you think everything is falling apart, all you do is hunker down knowing that the next beat is going to be up. When you are on top of that beat, never get too cocky because just remember, winter is coming and winter will come. Keep your friends close, love life, and it doesn’t matter if it’s up or down. Just know it is just part of the cycle. You just don’t want to be a place where there’s nothing happening and you’re just living in zombie life. You’re living a dead life. 

What drives me every day is really this concept of intellectual curiosity, always asking, “Why not?” “What if?” If we can create that culture in our children or people around us where we teach them to imagine every possibility. As opposed to telling them, “That can’t be done,” you simply say, “What if that was possible? What would that life be like? If this was possible, what would that look like?”

The more clear and vivid terms someone can describe to you what that would be like, they can create it because the only barrier we have to what we create is our imagination. If we can imagine a world and we can describe that world, we can create that world. Never look at life as is, look at life as what you want it to be. In other words, don’t think about this idea that people have called is the glass half full or the glass half empty? To me, it’s the wrong question.

What you need to be asking is, do I want to fill this glass or not? Because if I want to fill this glass, do I really care if it’s half empty or half full? If I don’t want to fill this glass, do I really care if it’s half empty or half full? That means you never look at what is, you look at what you want it to be. If you want it to be full, then you go out and fill it up and don’t care what it is. 

The same type of thing when I talk about intellectual curiosity, in my mind is the same thing we did with our children was, never felt it was my job. People would say, “I can only take the horse to the water, I cannot make him drink.” I thought, why would you want to take the horse to the water? What if you can make the horse thirsty? All you have to do is make the horse thirsty. Not only the horse will find its own water, but it will also drink. 

My job to children or anyone is simple. Make them so thirsty that they are looking for the water for the rest of their life and drinking when they find it. What creates the thirst is intellectual curiosity. There is never a time when you lack that, you just create that thirst and they are running around trying to satisfy the thirst all the time. That’s how you create a society that is meaningful.

Has there ever been something that was challenging for you that made you pause a little bit and then you were able to say that you have the perspective you do now?

Ideas are simply a mechanism to do something. Any idea that does not work is simply a stepping stone to a different idea and a bigger idea. To me, never have to worry about whether the idea worked or did not work. It’s just simply a stepping stone to something else. In life, the more stepping stones you create, that means more ideas that did not work. Now you’re getting closer and closer to the idea that is actually going to work so that you will never ever fail in life unless you give up.

Every single time you simply pivot and adapt, you never give up. When you give up is the day you fail. If you don’t give up, you never fail. You simply adapt.

As inspiring as that is, there are so many people that are stuck. They went through a divorce, they lost all their money, or stuff was stolen. How can you have that mindset?

It is all about the mindset. For example, let’s assume you are absolutely married to a wonderful person and let’s assume you get divorced. My answer to that is, you got to let the good things fall apart for the better things to come together. If you always hold on to the good things, the better things will never come along. It’s great, it was awesome. But you know what, there is more awesomeness out there, so search in life. You cannot ever say that if everyone lets go of the bad things. Sometimes, you have to let go of the good things for better things to come to you.

Like a mirror becoming a mosaic.

The point is you never have to ever worry about what is happening. So that happened and you say, “Okay, now what?” It’s always moving forward. I think part of my life is—most people live their life with a plan B in place. That means if that doesn’t work out, then I will go do this. Anytime, when you have a plan B, that becomes plan A. That means that’s what you end up going because you always end up falling back.

My theory of life is you keep moving forward. I say we will cross that bridge when we get there. I’m not going to worry about how I am going to cross that bridge. I haven’t gotten there yet. But when I got to that bridge, not only did I figure out how to cross there, when I cross that bridge, you burn the damn bridge behind you because there is no going back. As long as the bridge is intact, you always have a tendency to go, “It’s too hard, I’m going to go back.” Burn the damn bridge. There is nothing to go back to. Then you keep moving forward.

It is so true. You can’t drive looking in your rearview mirror. You got to drive forward.

Whatever happens, happens. Part of it is maybe my Eastern philosophy of life, which is, it is what it is, and it will be what will be. All you can do is just live with your karma and not worry about the outcome because the outcome will be what will be, and you just do the things every day that you want. There are only two types of things in this world, the things that you have control over and the things you don’t have control over.

The way I look at life is the things I have no control over, I say, “I can’t do anything about it. It is what it is.” The things I have control over, I never worry about them because I know I’m absolutely the best at it. Again, it will be what will be. I’m going to do the best, I am the best, it will be what will be, and you move on.

You’ve met so many people and I would love it if you could share a few people that you personally met that you admire or that you align with. People like Richard Branson and Deepak Chopra, and other people. Are there a couple people that stand out that you’ve met that you really align with or you are just intrigued with?

I’m always intrigued by the people who not only do one thing and succeed because there can be luck, but when people are able to do that time and time again in multiple different industries, you’ve got to admire their determination to go out and do things against all odds. If we talked about Elon, from a different industry, he and I have worked when he was at Zip2. I was running InfoSpace. He was running X—the PayPal. I was doing the merchant in Authorize.Net.

The point was it didn’t matter. Everybody told him there was no way to create a car company, an automotive company. There is no automotive company that has been created in 50 years, let alone an electric car company. Today, you look at the market cap of the company; it’s bigger than any other automotive company. He said, “Well, I’m going to go build a rocket.” “Are you crazy?” And here you are. 

You look at people like Richard Branson, it didn’t matter what industry he entered. He just absolutely did a different way and decimated that industry. Look at Bill, not only started on Microsoft but doing the same thing with philanthropy. 

Look at Jeff Bezos. I mean, just taking industry by industry, it doesn’t matter, and just completely reinventing that industry simply with one focus. “What if I can delight the customer?” That is literally taking a company that was selling books—for heaven’s sake, an online bookstore—to becoming a two-trillion dollar company, to taking over every industry. It didn’t matter what industry he entered, he just completely changed that industry.

You got to admire these people, not because they have money. There’s a lot of people who have a lot of money. I have no admiration for them. I mean, if you look at the people who are hedge fund managers, people who are investors, and to me, it’s like, whatever, you haven’t done anything, you haven’t created anything. You’re simply arbitraging on other people’s hard work. To me, I love entrepreneurs who create something. I don’t like people who are just simply playing with other people’s money to make money because they don’t create anything.

Our son, I always tell him that your self-worth never comes from what you own. Your self-worth comes from what you create. If you own a lot and you still haven’t created anything, you’re still a parasite on humanity. You can be that Middle Eastern sheik who owns a lot but has not created anything. That’s why I’m concerned you’re a parasite on humanity. So don’t be that parasite.

Powerful. It’s amazing because when we start getting into so many different verticals that you’ve been a champion in, I’d love to share with people. I know that you’re a director at the XPRIZE Foundation. And as you referred to earlier in the conversation, mentorship is something that a lot of people are seeking these days. What is it that you look for when you do decide to mentor somebody and/or work with? What are you looking for, the good and the bad?

Honestly, it comes from someone who truly is willing to give the last drop of their blood to make something happen. The way I ask someone is, are you willing to die for it? If you’re willing to die for it, then you live for it. What I find really interesting is if you ask someone, what are they willing to die for? Probably the only thing, I think, most people will say is their children. I mean, most of the time.

Even that, but if you ask them, what are you living for? They don’t even see their children. They’re willing to die for them, but they don’t live for it. The point is, do things that you’re willing to die for, and then live to do that, whatever that is. That’s one part. And the other part that I ask myself and everyone is if you had everything in life that you want—billions of dollars, a happy family, loving life, everything—what would you do? If you do that now, you will get everything that you asked for.

You have to do something that you would do that if you had everything, that’s what you want to do. Then you do that, and that is what’s going to take you to places you want. If all you want to do really in life is to simply chase something so you can sit on the beach and not do anything, then your life is just not worth living any of this. You can just sit on the beach and just die.

I’ve talked to a lot of entrepreneurs that have made a lot of money and a lot of them have shared that they’re just bored now. They stay on the beach and they’re just like, “I’ve done everything, I’ve tried everything, I’ve done all the businesses I want.”

That’s bullsh*t, by the way. There’s never an end to problems. This world is going to have problems all the time. Just solve the next one. You solve this one. You go to healthcare, you solve healthcare. You go to education, you solve the education. You go to agriculture, you solve agriculture. You go to energy, you solve energy. By the time you solve all of them, you and I will be talking about different sets of problems.

Why do we have to talk and listen on low bandwidth? I’m speaking so slowly so I can get parts of my brain out. You’ll be wondering, why can’t someone solve the problem where we just simply connect the people’s brain and automatically you upload the brain? I mean, why can’t I subscribe to Setorii’s brain so I don’t have to ask anything? Everything she learns, I just automatically upload it. I’ll subscribe to her brain every month.

I feel like they’re kind of working on that these days.

That’s my point. All these things will happen. My mom would say, you can’t be in two places at the same time. What if you could? Because what makes you think you are there? The only reason you believe you’re there is you have these senses that are sending the signal to the brain. I see this beach, I hear this, I smell this, and I think I am here. Now, what if those signals can be sent from anywhere? And you believe you are there just like in virtual reality.

Now, what if you have a high bandwidth connection that you could be in multiple places and the brain actually thinks you’re in all these places? The brain doesn’t know any better. The brain can’t see anything, the brain can’t hear anything, the brain can’t experience anything. All it gets is a signal, and you can send the signals anytime you want.

 There’s more to this that I’m sure that you could really get into with us about how energies—they’re just starting to discover this—connect us even though you might think of somebody that you haven’t talked to in three years and all of a sudden the phone rings.

If you look at ourselves, Setorii, and this is a really bizarre concept, we don’t see reality. If we saw reality, we couldn’t live because, at the end of the day, we all know you and I are made of atoms. Atoms are made of electrons and protons, and they are made of quarks and stuff. Basically, at the end of the day, we are just floating energy waves. I see you as a person that is there but it’s just energy waves. Our brain doesn’t comprehend energy waves, so we see one person. 

Now, these energy waves are all interconnected. Literally, all humanity, all universe is part of one single consciousness. We are simply a manifestation of that consciousness, but we are part of the same consciousness. We really are. When you talk about reincarnation, it is the energy that goes from one manifestation to a different manifestation. Energy doesn’t die. The first law of thermodynamics, it doesn’t die, it simply converts to form. 

My point is all these concepts that we hear in religion are really the scientific concept. If you look at science, people over the scientific world say, we are really living in this simulation. There is a programmer that created the algorithm and we are simply the people who are living that algorithm. You ask the religion, they say there is a God called programmer, and your destiny is prewritten called an algorithm. It’s the same thing, just different words. And then people talk about reincarnation. The science you say is an energy transforming, one form of energy to another form, and you can call that reincarnation if you want. 

But speaking about energies, this is the perfect time to speak about your company, Viome. People have been seeking for the last nine years more so—meditation, yoga. They really want a different way to heal themselves. They’re becoming more aware and conscious of the possibility. Can you share with people this exciting project that you have been working on that is life-saving? 

As you know, the Indians cannot pronounce the letter “V.” So I call it “Wiome,” but it’s Viome. It’s just one of the topics. 

I started with a simple belief that there’s no reason for any one of us to ever have sickness, especially chronic disease. Unlike an infectious disease, you don’t wake up in the morning and say, “You know honey, I was out with the boys last night. I think I might have caught diabetes.” You won’t catch diabetes, you double up it over a long period of time. You don’t catch obesity, you don’t catch an autoimmune disease, you don’t catch cancer, you don’t catch depression, you don’t catch anxiety. All of these diseases are simply, over time we are destroying our body. Its chronic low-grade inflammation is what causes chronic diseases. 

I thought, why do we have this? If you are not born with a disease, then you should not be getting the disease. The whole concept was that your genes are your destiny. My conclusion was, I’m not a scientist, how can genes be your destiny? Genes don’t do anything. Unless they are expressed, it doesn’t matter. 

In my mind, genes are like thoughts. You can have good thoughts and you can have bad thoughts. Unless you express bad thoughts, there is no crime that happens. You can have all the bad thoughts in the world you want, you haven’t committed any crime until you express them. That’s how the genes are. You can have good genes, and you can have bad genes. If you have bad genes, you can stop them from expressing, then you haven’t gotten any disease. 

What if we can understand what gene expression is happening? What genes are being expressed? That’s what took me down the journey. That most of the genes that are expressed in the human body are not our own. They actually come from trillions, the 40 trillion microorganisms that live inside our gut. 

What if we can find out what they are expressing, what they are producing, and how that changes human health? So we can now look at every single thing that is expressed in our gut. Now, we launched a new product, Setorii. I’m not sure if I told you or not, it’s called Health Intelligence. We also look at the host side.

We can now look at your biological age, mitochondrial gene expression, human gene expression, cellular gene expression, immune system gene expression, and everything we combine together with the gut. We can see now how likely even if you were to catch flu that you’re going to be sick because how good is your immune system? By the way—so you’ll be interested—I am now going to be turning 61 next month, and my biological age I’m still in my 40s. 

My point is because I followed that guidance around what are the nutrients my body needs so I can keep my cellular system young. I have more energy now than I was 20 years ago. I was, in fact, looking at my picture 20 years ago. I was 25 pounds heavier, I was always tired, I was always inflamed, and I always felt sick. Twenty years later, I have more energy, I have lost weight, and I can beat some 20-year-olds running. I now run 10 miles a day.

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For people that are going through stress, obviously, cortisol, menopause, premenopause, or people that just can’t take the weight off no matter what they do, if you can explain a little bit more about how this actually can work. 

Basically, Setorii, what we do is we look at what is going on in your gut. That means how much of the anti-inflammatory compounds—like butyrate you’re producing, how much of pro-inflammatory compounds? And what foods are going to harm you, what foods are going to help you? There is no such thing as a universally healthy food. 

For example, it’s really interesting, I thought I was vegetarian, I was eating healthy. It turns out, I was eating a lot of broccoli, spinach, brussels sprouts, and cabbage, and I thought I was eating healthy. It turns out those were exactly the things that were actually making me sick. It turns out that broccoli, cabbage, and brussels sprouts have so much sulfate in them. My bacterias were converting them into sulfite causing massive amounts of inflammation making my gut leaky. 

I was always gaining weight, I thought I was not eating anything. My spinach contains so much oxalic acid, I couldn’t digest oxalic acid, and I was getting kidney stones from that. My point is I just thought I was eating healthy, but I was suffering. Then I started to eat things that were right for my body. Just like tuning your car, you’re tuning your body. Every six months you do the test again. And you say, “The things that were bad for me now, I can eat these, but I can’t eat these now.” You just constantly adapt to things.

One thing we’re doing now, Setorii—I’m going to first time talk about—is starting in two weeks. We are launching something that has never been done. After you do the test, we literally find out every ingredient that your body needs—every food extract, every herb, every vitamin, every supplement, every prebiotic, every probiotic, and we make those capsules for you on-demand that day. Literally, made-to-order everything that your body needs and nothing that your body doesn’t. 

It’s called Precision Supplements, the idea is everything you need and nothing that you don’t. That’s it and made for you on that day. Guess what, every month if you learn something new, we change that because we are making that just for you. There is no one else who is going to ever get that.

You already have meal plans. You really help tailor everybody’s bodies. It’s kind of like a VIP experience. As your body is healing, you will have different needs, correct? 

That’s right. As your body changes, you’re constantly adapting to your changing body because it’s like a seesaw. If you keep doing the same thing, the things that were balanced, now become unbalanced, the other way. You have to make sure that as you’re changing your diet, your body changes and you have to readapt, rechange to make sure that your body is in the healthiest state possible. 

For people that have tried, as you’ve said, so many different diets and nothing’s working for them. This is able to target it and it’s able to heal it from inside out, as opposed to just starving your cells. 

Yes, and the worst thing that we found, I mean, should be no surprise but most people get surprised. We saw that for people who are on a diet like the keto diet, their biological age is 3–5 years older than what they are. Because that means they are completely messing up their body internally while they’re trying to lose weight on a keto diet. Internally, their harmony is completely out of the window. They end up getting all auto-immune, they end up getting anxiety, they’re getting all kinds of diseases.

A lot of people on the keto diet develop anxiety. They get all kinds of impact on hormonal imbalance because they look thin but they are completely destroying their bodies. When you go on these restricted diets, you will lose weight temporarily, but you can absolutely destroy your body.

Wow. This is fascinating. You’re launching this new chapter in two weeks. 

We launched something called Health Intelligence Tests, and we launched this Precision Supplement that’s coming out in 10 days. 

I am so excited. I would love to find solutions. I have tried everything for eight years, and I’ve worked with tons of different doctors personally.

Setorii, I tell you, you will be surprised how well it works. Because remember, it is just math and chemistry. There is no brain surgery, right? This is just simple. This is what is going on in your body and here is what you give to the bodies. At the end of the day, our immune system doesn’t have eyes and ears. It’s simply sensing the chemical signals. If your bacteria is not giving it a chemical signal that’s causing it to reduce the inflammation, it’s going to keep inflaming. 

My point is that you have to send them the right signal for them to say, okay now, everything is fine, stop inflaming. That is literally what these things are supposed to be designed for. For each, what is happening inside your body right now, how to fix it. As you then get fixed and changes, then you go back and start to work on that. It’s constantly adapting and changing as your body’s adapting and changing. 

Where do you see Viome? Do you have a goal of where you see it evolving into at this time? 

Honestly, in 5–10 years, if we’re still talking about chronic diseases, we as humanity have failed because there is absolutely no reason we cannot prevent and reverse chronic diseases including cancer. My prediction is 10 years from now, there’s going to be no cancer. In fact, we are working right now on probably vaccines for preventing cancers. Preventing cancers, reversing cancers, we have at least 10 programs in that space alone. 

My feeling is that we as humans would have solved the problem of chronic diseases. We will never see anyone having Alzheimer’s, dementia, depression, or anxiety. How many good souls we have lost from depression and suicide. That should never happen. I mean, it is a chemical imbalance that should have never happened. No one should ever lose their loved one because of depression, right? 

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Your self-worth never comes from what you own. Your self-worth comes from what you create.

All the mental health crises are literally the gut crisis. If you ask anyone who has behavioral issues, I can tell you guaranteed they have a gut issue. The gut issues are the one that causes the mental health issues. Now that is proven, by the way, anyone who is listening to it can Google themselves, depression and microbiome, and anxiety and microbiome.

You can literally look at Parkinson’s starts in the gut. Fifteen years before you see the first symptom, Alzheimer—all of these diseases including every cancer. You can look at autoimmune diseases, now they’re all proven—obesity, diabetes—all come from your gut. So understanding what is going on in your body.

By the way, it is not just the gut. Also your oral microbiome in your mouth. It turns out, there are more types of species in your mouth than in your gut. Even though the gut has a hundred times more, but most of the stuff is in your mouth. It’s really interesting. I don’t know about you, my mom used to say, chew your food. Why would you want to chew your food? Because the saliva and the microbiome would digest and transform that food before it even goes into the gut. It sends a signal to the gut what is coming, so the gut is prepared for it. 

Another thing that we learned is that when you are eating, your sensors cannot do multitasking. In a sense that if you’re watching TV or you are in a sympathetic state, when you are basically frustrated, angry, and stressed, and you eat, what really happens is your digestive system shuts down. Remember when you are stressed, in your old form of stress you are in fight or flight response. 

In the fight or flight, when the tiger is chasing you, what is the first thing the body does? It says you don’t need to worry about digesting your food right now, you’re going to be food for someone else. It shuts down the nonessential functions including the digestive. When you’re eating food and you’re stressed, guess what’s happening? Your food is not being digested at all, you’re not getting any nutrient out of it.

The first thing you do when you’re eating is in a lot of the culture, they do gratitude. Let us say the prayer to bring the stress down, or take three deep breaths before you eat your food. Shut the TV down, put your phone away, take a deep breath, and eat because that’s how you get back into the parasympathetic state to be able to eat and digest your food.

The point is, now they have scientifically proven that when you are distracted, the signal that comes from the gut called ghrelin tells you how hungry you are, or leptin that tells you how full you are. The satiety signals leptin gets completely ignored because, at that time, you’re too much of sensory overload. You’re watching TV and you’re not getting the signal. You keep eating that popcorn sitting in the movie. Remember, a big basket of popcorn, you can keep popping, and you say, “Oh my God, I can’t believe I ate all the popcorn.” You’re watching a movie, what do you expect?

So true, God. You’re on autopilot when you do it. 

Very interesting is that for every cancer, they found 20 different types of cancer. There is a microbiome inside the tumor that protects the tumor, and that feeds the tumor. Now they realize the tumor could just be an infectious disease that you can develop a vaccine for. That’s one of the things we are working on with other pharma companies to actually do that. 

To answer your question, in 10 years, we believe chronic diseases should just go away, and food will be the medicine that people will use to get rid of chronic diseases. My hope is no longer the need for Viome someday, and then people would just automatically have all these things built into their life. 

That toilets will become smart enough to analyze their urine and stool. Your tiles will be sensors; they’ll be analyzing your weight and sweat. Your mirror will be analyzing your body and then everything is going to be all automatic. AI will tell you, I already ordered the food. It’s in your fridge. It’s what you need today. By the way, you cannot order the food that you’re looking for. It’s not going to be ordered. Your AI has blocked that.

Wow. Exciting. My brain just opened up to so many jets and possibilities. I had two TIAs. I went through extreme stress in my life. People don’t talk about brain fog, which I’m wondering about. There’s a tie to that because I know other people that have had strokes, have talked about the same thing. It’s years of brain fog and people think you’re crazy. Can the gut also help with that?

Absolutely, 100%. Look, at the end of the day, our gut is connected to the vagus nerve. Really, our vagus nerve is a direct connection between our brain and the guts. What happens in the gut doesn’t stay in the gut just because it’s connected to the vagus nerve. It’s not like Las Vegas, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. That’s not it. What happens in the gut goes everywhere.

Now they have shown that everything that you eat, 90%—by the way, serotonin is produced in our gut. 70% of our immune system is along our gut lining. 90% of serotonin is produced in our gut. That means if you want to feel good and you want to be resilient, you got to feed the gut. You got to take care of the balance of your gut.

Before we jump out, there are so many things I want to ask you. If we could talk about Moon Express because who doesn’t love the moon. I loved how you talked about moon rocks can take over the diamond industry. You have so many grandiose ideas that seem like it’s going to happen today. Could you just please share about Moon Express? 

Look at the things, I mean everybody loves the moon. To me, the moon is a symbol of love, the moon is a symbol of romance, and to me, the moon is also a place of untold riches. If the earth has so many minerals, gold, and platinum, imagine how much of the riches are there, and they are all on the surface because, unlike planet Earth, it’s solidified earlier. That means all the asteroids that are being crashed are literally right on the surface, all the riches. 

Now imagine, why can’t we think of the moon as our eighth continent? We have been to all seven continents. Why not connect the moon with our internet and then you’re living on the moon, it should be no different than going to Sydney someday. Going to Sydney should be the same as going to the moon. One day, we will all get connected in living in a multi-planetary society. 

But someday, if our planet or a spacecraft that we live on called Planet Earth gets damaged, we are not wiped out like dinosaurs. Because at the end of the day, if we get hit by an asteroid, which is large enough, we could all, the eight billion of us could just get wiped out right here just like dinosaurs. They couldn’t survive. Now, if we are on multiple planets, there’s a chance the humanity surviving and recreating itself is much higher. 

My hope really is that people worry too much about our planet. They should be worrying more about the species. Our planet will be just fine. I don’t really care what someone says, I’m selfish. Even after we got hit by an asteroid, the dinosaurs died, the planet did just fine. Our planet did so fine it created humans. Even if humans die, it may create superhumans for all we know.

My point is, if we want our species to live forever, then we have to learn to live on multiple planets simultaneously so we can have a plan B and plan C of humanity. Have multiple backups and archives everywhere. My real hope is that 10 or 20 years from now they will be a child born on the moon and the parents are going to be looking up and saying hey, we come from that planet, look up there. 

Do you still feel that you’ll be able to achieve what you set out to achieve in the next 8–10 years of having people be able to travel to the moon?

Absolutely, 100%. There is no doubt in my mind, in the next 10 years, people will be traveling to the moon just like we travel to other parts of the country. It is going to be regular travel. Today it is dangerous just like airlines used to be. People used to say, “Have a safe flight.” Even today, when someone travels they say, “Have a safe flight.” Really? It is the safest form of transportation. It is ingrained into us that a flight was unsafe. 

Today people talk about going to space is so risky. Guess what? A decade from now people are going to just like, “Honey, let’s go spend a weekend up in orbit. We’re going to go to the moon for our honeymoon”—real honeymoon. 

Then you come back with your moon rings.

Exactly. Not “honey-Paris” or “honey-Hawaii,” but honeymoon.

I love to ask you just a few more questions. They could just be short answers. Technology today is everywhere, obviously. It’s almost harder for people to connect in person. Authenticity is something that seems so rare, so when you really do connect with somebody it’s an amazing thing. What do you feel people, in general, are seeking today? What are they seeking the good and the bad, and how do you achieve connecting with somebody in today’s society?

Obviously, it’s changing, and it will change even more. It is new to us because we were so used to meeting people in person, and this virtual thing is just not the same. It’s because that’s not how we grew up. But our children who are growing up now, to them this is going to become the form of communication. To them, it is going to become the new normal. 

But if you go back and if you were to look past that, one day we’re going to have these tactile things that I’ll be able to touch you and you’ll be able to see I’m right next to you. All those things will be possible as technology gets better and better. We’ll be able to do the virtual hug that will feel like the real hug.

My point is every sensor is going to be the same. I’ll be able to smell the place where I am going to be where I could be. Because at the end of the day, your brain again can be fooled very easily where you are, whether you are there or not. If you put on the virtual reality headset, even though you knew you were there, and when you see a ledge, you don’t jump off. Your brain says, “Are you crazy? Jumping up off a 40 story building?” I’ve seen adults scream when they say “Take a step forward.” It’s like, “Are you kidding me? I’m not taking that step forward.”

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VR, in general, they’ve done so many amazing things. I saw studies on how two years ago, they put it on cows and people that are in elderly homes. Of course, they’ve got stuff with scents that are out there. It’s amazing how everything is coming together. 

I love your quotes. You have said so many amazing quotes for entrepreneurs that if you have an idea that someone says is a crazy idea, then it’s not big enough. Ambitious ideas can take a long time. You’ve been working on different projects, and it’s taking time. How long is too long, in your opinion? When do you know when it’s right to stop?

Actually, when is the time to pivot, and when is the time to think that what you’re doing is actually not working right now. That’s just listening to your inner voice. It’s easy to fool anyone, “life is good, everything is working,” and then you go to bed, and you’re alone. You say, “This is just not working; it is just not.” And then learning to listen to the voice and being honest with yourself, and pivot. You cannot just get attached to a solution. You got to get attached to solving a problem. 

You don’t want to say, “This is the way of solving.” And then you say, “That does not work. It doesn’t mean that I’m going to stop solving the problem. All that says is I’m going to now back off and go to a different route.” That route is not going anywhere. The point is learning to know when to take a reverse and go forward in a different route. Take a fork in the road all the time, come back, and take another road, but never give up. Giving up is when you fail. Everything else is simply a pivot. 

Is there a question that somebody has never asked you before that you’ve always wanted to share information about?

Oh my God, why am I so sexy? Just kidding. It’s really not about that. I always felt that every conversation was not like I prepared anything. To me, it is about being yourself, and if you are yourself, it’s so easy because you don’t have to worry about acting to be someone else. You may not like me, so be it. My life will still be great. 

My answer to everything is, be yourself. There are going to be people who are going to love you, there are going to be people who are going to hate you, but no one is going to ignore you. If you want everyone to like you, then you have to do nothing, be nothing, and stand for nothing, and that’s not the life I will ever live. I know that not everyone is going to love me, and I’m okay with that. 

I appreciate all the time you gave, Naveen. If you could just share with people one last word of wisdom from you, thought for entrepreneurs that are out there, or people that are just looking to just be reignited again, can you share any words of wisdom before we say goodbye? 

All I can is there’s never been a better time to be alive. I mean, this is the best time to be an entrepreneur. It doesn’t matter what part of the world you are living in, you have access to the technology that the richest countries have. You have access to the people that the greatest companies have. Because now, everybody’s working remotely, so it doesn’t matter what part of the world you are in. You can build and assemble a great team. 

All the ideas are everywhere. Make your dreams come true. Find your true obsession that you’re willing to die for, and live your life to have fellow humans live a better life. If you stay focused on that goal of helping a billion people, you can create an amazing and great enterprise.

Let the good things fall apart for the better things to come together.
Let the good things fall apart for the better things to come together.

Thank you, Naveen. I want to thank my friend Naveen for taking his time. Where can people learn more information about all these amazing projects that you are working on? 

First, you can always find me on almost any social media. Your fellow listeners can always send me an email. My first name I’m always available, always answer every question, so feel free to reach out to me. I wish you the best of luck in whatever you’re doing. 

Thank you, Naveen. Have a wonderful rest of your evening. I’m sending you a virtual hug. I hope to be able to see you soon. Definitely sign up for those tests because we can heal ourselves, we can do so much. It starts with our health. 

Thank you, looking forward to it. See you soon. Take care. 



  1. Don’t measure your success by the amount in your bank account but by the number of lives you touch and improve.
  2. Choose to be happy every single day. Happiness is something you carry inside you. 
  3. When you start your business, ask these three questions: Why this? Why now? And why me? These questions will fundamentally change your life and other people’s lives through your business.
  4. Always ask the right questions. You don’t necessarily need to have the right answers because the answers can come from many people. 
  5. Life is your mentor. Take everything that comes your way and always say, “What an amazing journey.”
  6. Teach people around you to imagine every possibility. As opposed to telling them, “That can’t be done.” Simply say, “What if that was possible? What would that life be like?”
  7. Never give up. Learn how to pivot and adapt in life. Failure comes when you give up. 
  8. Check out Viome’s website for its new products Health Intelligence and Precision Supplement that can really save people’s lives.
  9. Check out Moon Express’s website for more information about unlocking the moon’s mysteries and resources for the benefit of humanity.
  10. Reach out to Naveen through his social media accounts (LinkedIn, Twitter, Instagram, Youtube) or email him at for more information about his projects.

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