For more about our host, filmmaker, tech maven and co-founder of the Sundance Film Festival, Cirina Catania, visit cirinacatania.com<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n If you enjoy our podcast,\u00a0please subscribe<\/a>\u00a0and tell all your friends about us! We love our listeners. And, if you have ideas for segments, write to\u00a0OWCRadio@catania.us<\/a>. Cirina is always up for new ideas!<\/p>\n\n\n\n Jump to Links and Resources<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n Cirina Catania at <\/strong>NAB 2019<\/strong><\/a>. We\u2019re here with the OWC Radio Creative Club and with this amazing artist by the name of <\/strong>Mike Winkelmann<\/strong><\/a>, who you probably know as Beeple. I happened on Beeple\u2019s art several years ago on a site called <\/strong>Beeple Crap<\/strong><\/a>.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n That is correct.<\/p>\n\n\n\n And I thought, \u201cOh my gosh, this guy\u2019s calling his art crap. And it is some of the best stuff I\u2019ve ever seen.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n I appreciate that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n Tell me, what are you doing here at NAB?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n I am doing my Everyday live at the Maxon<\/a> booth for three days. This is the third day. This is the first NAB I\u2019ve been to. It\u2019s been an exhausting couple of days here.<\/p>\n\n\n\n It\u2019s never-ending, right? <\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n It\u2019s a lot to take in. <\/p>\n\n\n\n Absolutely never-ending. Tell people what the Everydays are.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n Everydays<\/a> is just a picture that I do from start to finish, every single day. I\u2019ve been doing it for almost 12 years. They use Cinema 4D<\/a> as the primary tool that I use to make the pictures each day. That\u2019s the biggest piece of it. It\u2019s a 3D environment that you can light things and animate things, and change the materials. So I set up pictures and try to make a picture every day.<\/p>\n\n\n\n You\u2019ve not been getting much sleep. But you\u2019ve done this now for 12 years non-stop every day, thick or thin, healthy or sick, with your family, traveling, NAB. It\u2019s pretty amazing. I encourage everybody that\u2019s listening in to go to your site, <\/strong>Beeple-Crap.com<\/strong><\/a>. And you\u2019ve got your films, art, and <\/strong>VJ loops<\/strong><\/a> there. That\u2019s how you got started, right? Doing the loops? Take me way, way back.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n No, it mostly got started doing short films. They would be stuff that is not on the computer. And then I started doing that more, and then slowly, I got into more abstract computer-generated art. From there, I started doing the Everydays. That\u2019s when the whole 3D kind of took off for me. I learned a ton more, and then I started using Cinema to make even more complicated stuff or stuff that I obviously couldn\u2019t do before without a 3D package.<\/p>\n\n\n\n Now we\u2019re not standing in front of a computer, so you can\u2019t demonstrate, but can you talk to us about your workflow with your art? <\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n Sure. The workflow is fairly straightforward. I just jump straight into Cinema and start modeling. I use a lot of 3D assets from places like TurboSquid<\/a> and a bunch of other places. I bring those in and just start moving things around and setting up a scene, blocking out things compositionally, tweaking lighting, values, color, and trying to dial in a composition or something that looks interesting or just not crappy. From there, I\u2019ll take it into Photoshop and do some post-work like color correction, adding atmosphere, replacing skies, things like that. But the majority of it is done in Cinema 4D. That\u2019s the workhorse. It\u2019s rendered in Octane<\/a> most of the time. So that\u2019s kind of the basic overview of the workflow. I don\u2019t like to sit down and sketch things out. I just like to jump in and start building it. <\/p>\n\n\n\n You were sketching in the early days, right?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n I did. The first year of Everydays was drawings. I did drawings for a year and then started doing the Cinema 4D stuff.<\/p>\n\n\n\n Tell me about your VJ loops.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n VJ loops are custom pieces of content that anybody can download to use for whatever. So a lot of DJs download them to use in their sets. They\u2019re abstract videos, shapes, colors, and stuff. From there, people started contacting me to do custom work. I have done a bunch of stuff. I just worked on the Super Bowl this last year. It\u2019s been cool to see the opportunities that have been brought from releasing that stuff for free.<\/p>\n\n\n\n Your work was also an inspiration for a designer recently, right? There\u2019s a whole line of clothing that was inspired by your work, isn\u2019t there?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n Yeah, they just license some of those Everydays for the spring collection of Louis Vuitton<\/a>. That was another cool thing to see, something I would never have expected. Super random, but it was cool to see.<\/p>\n\n\n\n Here at NAB, you\u2019re in the booth. Are you actually in the booth while you\u2019re creating these? Are you creating it in front of everybody?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n I\u2019m in a booth creating in front of people. There are like 50 people standing there.<\/p>\n\n\n\n Does that bother you? <\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n Surprisingly, it didn\u2019t. Having the people in the audience yell out what I should put in it and what to change stuff like, \u201cOh, is this better or worse?\u201d And honestly, I have no idea. People in the audience are probably like, \u201cWhat the hell\u2019s this kid doing?\u201d But I had fun. It seemed good to me. <\/p>\n\n\n\n This is interactive Cinema 4D. That\u2019s pretty amazing. I don\u2019t know if I would have the fortitude to do that. Like, I would want to go, \u201cWould you leave me alone and let me create?\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n But that\u2019s the thing, and I think that not taking it too seriously is the biggest thing where it\u2019s a piece of this bigger project. People tend to take themselves way too seriously with their work and how it\u2019s presented or made.<\/p>\n\n\n\n That\u2019s one thing that people like so much about you because you don\u2019t take yourself too seriously. You\u2019re kind of like the Cinema 4D equivalent of every man. <\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n I don\u2019t know what that means. I can\u2019t even pretend to know what you\u2019re talking about. <\/p>\n\n\n\n Mike, I went over your head. No, I think if <\/strong>Frank Capra<\/strong><\/a> made a movie about Cinema 4D, you would be what I call the \u201ceveryman\u201d character, the normal guy that just happens to save the world. <\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n Frank Capra? Is that the guy who did, It\u2019s a Wonderful Life<\/a>?<\/p>\n\n\n\n Yes. And <\/strong>Mr. Smith Goes to Washington<\/strong><\/a>. <\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n I like that movie. <\/p>\n\n\n\n Can you picture yourself as the Mr. Smith of Cinema 4D?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n James Stewart<\/a>?<\/p>\n\n\n\n James Stewart. I got to meet him the first year of <\/strong>Sundance<\/strong><\/a>.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n Honestly, It\u2019s a Wonderful Life is one of my absolute favorite films. I love that film.<\/p>\n\n\n\n Couldn\u2019t you see him in that movie? I could see him in that movie. <\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n Not sure about that. That\u2019s where you lost me.<\/p>\n\n\n\n Maybe there\u2019s another career for you as the Jimmy Stewart character in the reboot.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n A reboot? It\u2019s a Wonderful Life with me?<\/p>\n\n\n\n There you go.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n It sounds solid. We\u2019ll see.<\/p>\n\n\n\n I know you don\u2019t talk about that and tell me if I\u2019m overstepping, but some of your stuff has a very subtle political theme to it. Maybe it\u2019s unintentional, but the short film you did about Stuxnet hit home with me because I got hacked by that virus a few years ago and lost 250TB of media. Talk to me about the workflow for that film because that was a lot of work.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n That was a lot of work. It was over the course of probably a year or two, and I don\u2019t even remember at this point. I think it was two years. The basic workflow was modeling. It\u2019s like robots moving through a tunnel and animating the music, and it\u2019s synced with the music. So I was working closely with the sound designer like, \u201cHave this object that makes this sound,\u201d and \u201cAnimate this and make sure it looks good exactly with how you compose the music.\u201d So that was a pretty back and forth work for. But otherwise, it was rendered with Octane. And there was very little post, and it was almost entirely Cinema. <\/p>\n\n\n\n For the people who are gathering here at the booth, we have Mike Winkelmann, who is probably one of the world\u2019s most famous Cinema 4D artists, and he\u2019s looking at me, like, \u201cWould you cut it out? Stop giving me compliments.\u201d But it\u2019s true, and you\u2019re very talented.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n I appreciate that. <\/p>\n\n\n\n And I think that what you do for other creatives is important, too. We all need that, and we need to know that we\u2019re a part of a community.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n And that is one of the things that I like about Cinema 4D, particularly because they do a lot to foster a strong community like leadership does, they\u2019re out at events, and they\u2019re like talking to you and trying to get your feedback on stuff. I think they\u2019re receptive to the community and plugged-in and know what people are looking for. Especially with the Redshift thing, that\u2019s something a lot of people are like, \u201cOh, yeah, in retrospect, that makes a lot of sense.\u201d That seems like a good move or a good fit for them. They\u2019re plugged into the community of designers.<\/p>\n\n\n\n For those of you who we lost a moment ago, we are at NAB 2019. With the wireless and the internet connection here, I\u2019m going to remain a lady, and I\u2019m not going to describe it the way we\u2019d like to describe it because it sucks. So once in a while, the signal drops out. But we were talking a moment ago about Cinema 4D and how they support creatives. How long have you been involved in actually speaking with the people that created Cinema 4D?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n Probably four years, I would say, that I\u2019ve been talking more and sort of going back and forth. To be honest, I don\u2019t talk to them that much because they know what they\u2019re doing. The tool works great for me. It\u2019s great to see them out at these events and stuff, but it\u2019s not like I\u2019m constantly like, \u201cOh, here, can you fix this?\u201d or whatever. For me, it works beautifully. I don\u2019t need any sort of help from them or anything. They are just such supporters of everybody in the community that it\u2019s so awesome to see.<\/p>\n\n\n\n So we spoke with <\/strong>Paul Babb<\/strong><\/a>, and I believe his interview is already running. It\u2019s up on the blog, I believe. But is there anything that you can think of in the new release of Cinema 4D that you might want to talk about?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n Honestly, I\u2019ve been super slow to upgrade because I\u2019ve been lazy. There\u2019s not that much of, and I\u2019m not going to lie. I\u2019ve just been lazy. But the alembic retiming, you can bring in alembic files, which are sort of like geometry and animation, and everything kind of flattened into one file. You can retime how fast it moves through the scene with curves and fall off and everything. That I think is a powerful feature that I think I would use a lot, especially the volume stuff. I mean, there\u2019s tons of stuff.<\/p>\n\n\n\n Do you know what your next film is going to be?<\/strong> <\/p>\n\n\n\n Yeah, I have one almost entirely done. I just need to edit the pieces together. It\u2019s like 95% there. I just need to get it done.<\/p>\n\n\n\n Can you tell us what it\u2019s about? <\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n It\u2019s about money.<\/p>\n\n\n\n It\u2019s about money? <\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n Yeah. <\/p>\n\n\n\n Oh, that\u2019ll be interesting. So the next one\u2019s about money. The last one was about the Stuxnet virus called <\/strong>Zero-Day<\/strong><\/a>, and the next one\u2019s about money. When do you think you will have it done?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n I don\u2019t know. Probably like a month, I would say. Hopefully, a month. I\u2019m going to set a month or two.<\/p>\n\n\n\n I hate when people ask me when my documentaries are going to be finished. I hate that. Don\u2019t ask me when my film is going to finish. Because this is radio and we can\u2019t see what you\u2019ve been doing in the booth. I will try to get some pictures. Can you describe the art visually for us that you\u2019ve been creating the last couple of days? What are the images about?<\/strong> <\/p>\n\n\n\n Because I\u2019m calling on the audience, the first day, I had another guy pick out a bunch of assets. He loaded them into Cinema 4D, loaded them in the content browser. The content browser is something that I think people take for granted, and it\u2019s a great feature. It\u2019s super easy to just drop things in. So he loaded up ten assets, ten 3D models that he downloaded, and I didn\u2019t know what they were, and that\u2019s what I had to make my picture on.<\/p>\n\n\n\n Oh my god, are you serious?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n It was like pills, pancakes, a baby orangutan, grandmas. The picture was like a grandma standing on pancakes with a pilgrim hat and squid arms with pills all over the grass. I don\u2019t even know.<\/p>\n\n\n\n You didn\u2019t do that the second day though, did you?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n No. On the second day, I just had people in the audience shout out crap. So that\u2019s like a gorilla with like a bunch of wolves around a naked baby on a pile of rubble, with like helicopters in the back.<\/p>\n\n\n\n Okay. So I think these people are trying to trip you up.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n I am the one with the computer.<\/p>\n\n\n\n It\u2019s like, \u201cLet\u2019s see what we can throw at him and see if he\u2019ll screw it up.\u201d And you didn\u2019t, though.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n It is what it is. There\u2019s no way to screw it up. Just doing it or not doing it, that\u2019s it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n And it\u2019s more fun, though, when it comes from your brain. <\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n It came from everybody\u2019s brain. Everybody put the ideas into it. I thought it was fun.<\/p>\n\n\n\n So you have to go back, and you have to do another one today.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n I have to do another one in a couple of hours.<\/p>\n\n\n\n I want to go over there and see if I possibly can.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n Come over. I will call on you. You have to give me an idea. Like that\u2019s how I was like singling out people like, \u201cYou! Tell me what to do.\u201d and they\u2019d be like, \u201cNo! What?\u201d And I\u2019m like, \u201cNo, I\u2019m looking at you. Tell me what to do.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n Everybody thinks creativity is easy, and maybe it\u2019s not. It\u2019s very demanding in your life, I\u2019m sure. I don\u2019t know how you do it every day.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n I would say it\u2019s not that hard. I could think of a lot of jobs that are harder than what I do every day sitting at a computer, listening to music, it\u2019s not exactly the worst job.<\/p>\n\n\n\n\n\n What\u2019s a question that you\u2019ve never been asked in an interview that you might want to talk about? Like \u201cWhen is this interview over?\u201d You know what\u2019s funny, you don\u2019t like to be interviewed, and I don\u2019t blame you. I don\u2019t like to be interviewed either. <\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n I don\u2019t mind it. Does it seem like I don\u2019t like it?<\/p>\n\n\n\n No. That\u2019s awesome. Well, I think you\u2019re an inspiration to a lot of people. And I think that you have such a community spirit about you. That\u2019s important. <\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n I appreciate that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n And your family guy in the middle of it all.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n Yeah. We have a three-year-old and a five-year-old. It\u2019s a full house.<\/p>\n\n\n\n I know that the family has to kind of step aside sometimes, and you know, don\u2019t do these things in five minutes.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n No, I work long hours. But I think that\u2019s where I\u2019m lucky with my family that they\u2019re home and my wife stays home with the kids. So I\u2019m able to still see the kids a ton. We have breakfast, lunch, and dinner together because I\u2019m right there. If they need to get put down for a nap, I am right there. Even though I work long hours, like if I was out at the office, I couldn\u2019t do that; I wouldn\u2019t ever see them. I\u2019m there, and they can open the door and come in and draw and watch something in the office. They\u2019re old enough to know that when I need time to get something done, they\u2019re good about that too.\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n\n\n I was with mine too. After I left the studios, I was freelance. A lot of times, when I wasn\u2019t traveling, I was home. It makes a difference. And I think now that they\u2019re grown up, they were around their mom a lot, I think your kids are going to grow up, and they\u2019re going to appreciate it. And you loved him enough to build a life that included them in what you do.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n Well, it\u2019s hard that my daughter doesn\u2019t even understand the concept of going to work. If I\u2019ll just go somewhere, it\u2019s like, \u201cWhere are you going?\u201d Because it\u2019s like daddy never leaves the computer. They don\u2019t even fully understand that most people go to work because my wife is home too. Everybody\u2019s parents just stay home all the time.<\/p>\n\n\n\n That\u2019s so awesome. I\u2019m sure a lot of people ask you, \u201cHow can I do what you do?\u201d <\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n Start every day, that\u2019s it. I think it\u2019s that structure and forcing you to do something and put out something will level you up faster than any other way I know.<\/p>\n\n\n\n Just keep doing it and doing it as best as you can. Don\u2019t judge yourself. Just keep doing it every day.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n When you commit to doing it, none of the other stuff matters. You just have to do it, and you\u2019ll get better if you like it, great. If you don\u2019t, it doesn\u2019t matter as long as you do it. That\u2019s the kind of attitude I have, I guess, most of the time.<\/p>\n\n\n\n\n\n Well, it\u2019s nice to meet you.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n Very nice to meet you, and I appreciate the opportunity to talk.<\/p>\n\n\n\n I\u2019m so glad you\u2019re here, and I\u2019m very appreciative of Cinema 4D for everything they do for all of us. And I want to thank OWC Radio for sponsoring this show and <\/strong>Lumberjack<\/strong><\/a> and <\/strong>Puget<\/strong><\/a> and a shout out to Creatives. And you know what I always say is get up off your chair and do something wonderful today. This is Cirina Catania with OWC Radio\u2019s Creative Club at NAB 2019, and I\u2019m here with Mike Winkelmann, better known as Beeple. We were talking about his great work. Thank you so much for taking the time. <\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n Thank you.<\/p>\n\n\n\n Beeple (aka Mike Winkleman) broke worldwide digital art records when his collage entitled, \u201cEverydays: The First 5,000 Days,\u201d sold to NFT Buyer Vingnesh Sundaresan aka @Metakovan for $69.9 million on March 11, 2021. 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