Reinstall on bigger HD |
May, 19, 2003 9:44 PM |
xpostfacto146 |
I successful installed 10.2 on my 8500/now Sonnet G4/700 but put it on too small a HD so I can't update to newer version (not enough space). Have a new 36G SCSI installed and partitioned, but can't get XPF to install again and CarbonCloner moved everything but it won't boot. When I try to boot from drive, the main system HD (9.1boot) just sits there flashing its light every 3-5 seconds. This doesn't occur when the original OS-X drive is selected as the startup disk - it boots great. Ran verify on the permissions and was fine on Cloned drive. But no boot. Any ideas? Stephen |
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RE: Reinstall on bigger HD |
May, 22, 2003 6:49 AM |
fixitjc |
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I ran into the same problem when I used CC to move from a 9 gig (80/50 adapted) to an external 47 gig (68/50 adapted). I had to go back and bless the new drive but since that it has been running like a champ. I am running many drives both on the "fast" and "slow" buses really can't tell much difference probably could with a fast card but for the moment this is great. PM 8500 - 500/G3 384 RAM (interleaved), OSX 10.2.6. , I will ecko the others - check the termination, use CC to bless the drive, and run XPF and reinstall extentions etc. good luck Jim |
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RE: Reinstall on bigger HD |
May, 21, 2003 6:29 PM |
gregoryy |
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I'd been thinking "beige" all day and it's pitiful slow 5MB/sec internal bus. Sorry gang. |
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RE: Reinstall on bigger HD |
May, 21, 2003 11:37 AM |
rjenness |
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I have had similar experience. I have an 8500 with Sonnet G3/450 and I initially installed Jag onto a 4GB internal SCSI drive. When I got my Ultrastar 36GB drive (80 to 50 adapted) I connected it externally (single 36GB partition) and ran CCC to get Jag onto it. I had a problem where I found that CCC didn't copy everything but it was probably my own doing. After a very long time it appeared to be hung while copying trashes so I forcequit it. Of course it wouldn't boot successfully with missing stuff but I was able to copy the missing files and directories (invisible IIRC) and get it to boot after first returning to OS9 and reselecting with XPF. The drive is SCSI ID 0 and terminated. It is working very well at 10.2.6 I wrote a longer report at xlr8yourmac if it helps at all: http://forums.xlr8yourmac.com/drivedb/action.lasso?-search Search for hard drive/ibm/scsi/85 or 8600. Rob |
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RE: Reinstall on bigger HD |
May, 21, 2003 5:15 AM |
nick.ashton |
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Yes, Marty is right, internal SCSI is 10Mb/s and the internal and external busses are completely separate - they have different controller chips. Gregory may have been thinking of some of the clones. |
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RE: Reinstall on bigger HD |
May, 20, 2003 5:47 PM |
mjoecups358 |
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Actually the built in SCSI bus on the 8500 is 10Mb/sec... Marty |
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RE: Reinstall on bigger HD |
May, 20, 2003 3:11 PM |
gregoryy |
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I've used SCSI and ATA, but there were some who felt that ATA controller and SCSI controller were a no-go. If you are using SCSI on the built-in SCSI bus, its only 5MB/sec so I wouldn't really want to hamper Jaguar with something that slow. A new ATA drive would be close to UltraSCSI 20MB/s on the native IDE bus. With SCSI you are right. The "8MB rule" doesn't apply. But Jag is fussy and termination has to be applied with an active terminator. There is only one SCSI bus, the internal and external are not two separate buses, making it harder to understand and use. A 2930 would do wonders for you with that drive, however. I used one of the OEM UL2D cards, its fast, but I opted to put the latest firmware to work in Jag, but won't allow booting into OS 9.2 (have now made native IDE bus my main system disk and use SCSI for RAID or ~/ home directory and emergency system - with a true 68-pin drive and 55MB/s, 10x native SCSI bus. |
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RE: Reinstall on bigger HD |
May, 20, 2003 2:52 PM |
xpostfacto146 |
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Here's the skinny. Drive formatted with OS 9.1 utilities. Yes, it has a 68 to 50 adapter, but so does the existing drive. Termination - ummmm. ScsiProbe shows no term issues, but perhaps, although dirive has been fine for other purposes. Even partitioned with the first partition for OS-X before I saw the 8mb rule isn't supposedly applying to SCSI drives. Maybe I'll put 9.1 on a partition, then pull all the drives except this one, making it SCSI-0 (zero) instead of SCSI-4 or 5 as it is now. Also put a bunch more ram in since the last install (first OS-X), but the OS-X boots fine into 10.2.4 on that drive. Finally, maybe I can move all the stuff off the larger partition on the existing OS-X drive and CC or install OS-X into that partition and get a boot. I've tried to throttle it down without much luck. The monitor just turns itself to sleep and nothing happens. |
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RE: Reinstall on bigger HD |
May, 20, 2003 2:38 AM |
chibi_delenn |
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When you use Carbon Copy Cloner, once you've cloned the HD to the destination HD, you need to choose the "Bless Old World Target Disk" option. This will (usually) allow you to boot off the newly done HD. Also, if you can get back to OS 9, the "reinstall BootX" option in XPF works too, as Ryan's BootX is dependent on the physical location on the drive, and that info changes when you clone to a new HD. I speak from experience with ATA HDs though. I never used OS X on a SCSI HD. Unfortunately, Sonnet's latest ATA/133 Tempo Trio 4.5 firmware STILL does not fix the problem where getting past Open Firmware is impossible on a HD with an 8 MB Cache buffer (or just a >137 GB HD period). |
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RE: Reinstall on bigger HD |
May, 19, 2003 10:17 PM |
nick.ashton |
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What utility did you use to format & partition the 36G drive? OS 9 Drive Setup or Hard Disk SpeedTools are the only recommended options for OSX bootability. Have you checked the SCSI termination on your bus now that the new disk is installed? Have you tried increasing the throttle value in the XPF Throttle menu? Does the 36G drive use an 80-50 or 68-50 way adapter? I have an IBM drive with a 68-50 way adapter that won't boot OS X on the internal SCSI bus although it does work (slowly) on the external bus. |
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