PowerCenter Pro Problems OS X update problems |
June, 04, 2003 3:15 PM |
jfblakie |
Hey all, I have a PowerCenter Pro with a PowerLogix G3 400, 512 MB RAM, Mac OS 9.1 and OS X 10.1 is currently loaded running on the built in video (which is reported as not supposed to work). In order to load the driver for my video card I need 10.1.5, but for some reason the updater will not allow the updater to run. The installer reports and error stating "This installer requires and installer update." I have updated to the security patch that reportedly contains the installer update. S I tryed updating to 10.1.1 first. No luck. The installer starts to work, but when it comes to selecting a disk to install on, all of the disks are grayed out and will not select. Does any body know anything have missed or any suggestions? I would really appreciate any help or ideas! Thanks in advance. John |
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RE: PowerCenter Pro Problems OS X update problems |
June, 12, 2003 8:03 AM |
worldalex |
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My internal SCSI card worked fine. It won't boot when I moved it to my 9600, but works fine for my second hard drive. So there is hope. I found 10.2 to be much more understanding of the SCSI cards. My Iomega card also works great as a secondary non-bootable SCSI bus. |
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RE: PowerCenter Pro Problems OS X update problems |
June, 12, 2003 12:21 AM |
jfblakie |
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The problem I was experiencing with updating to 10.1.5 was an incompatible version of the security update. It turns out there is a specific version of the security update for 10.1 (Security Update 7-18-02 v10.1). Once the right patch was installed everything went fine. And the rage 128 video card now works fine. The scsi card (AHA 2930B) that came with the machine is not working yet, so I am still running off of the slow built-in SCSI bus (5MB/sec), and I suspect it never will. And 10.2 doesn't seem to like my machine, but my PCP seems to be functioning just fine running 10.1.5. I really like OS X! :-) Thanks osxguru! |
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RE: PowerCenter Pro Problems OS X update problems |
June, 09, 2003 9:19 PM |
worldalex |
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OK. I realize that many people have problems getting their PowerCenter Pro's working with Mac OS X. I also recognize that their are those having problems getting OS X to work on their 9600, 8600, 7500, 9500 etc . . . Many beige Mac's have problems of some sort with OS X. They were never meant to run it. Apple never invested the necessary resources to make it happen. Might I mention that the similarity of the Beige G3 is in large part the reason OS X works so well on unsupported systems. Might I also point out that the Beige G3 is a bit different than the other Beige Mac's with its 66MHz bus, its PC66 RAM, its IDE bus etc . . . In fact I always thought the reason memory interleaving was so bad, is none of the supported systems (supported by Apple) has interleaved RAM. Anyway, the point is, getting OS X to work on unsupported Mac's can be trying no matter the system. It can also be a breeze, as it was for me once Ryan cam out with Unsupported Utility X 1.7 if I remember correctly. That version allowed a smooth install of OS X 10.1 onto my PowerCenter Pro. And surprisingly onboard video worked fine the first time. Rant over. Good luck to all. May your unsupported Mac make the mirrored door Mac's know shame. |
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RE: PowerCenter Pro Problems OS X update problems |
June, 09, 2003 4:18 PM |
mjoecups358 |
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Actually the PoerCenterPro is not so "Supported" It is kind of an oddball system, using a 60Mhz bus and being based on the Catalyst motherboard (AKA 7200) as I recall. It seems to have several additional issues over and above the "real" generic powermac hardware which PCC made (ie PowertowerPro and Powerwave AKA Tsunami based powermacs). I have all three and my powerwave and PTP are running 10.2.6 beautifully, but I kind of gave up on the PCP, due to various problems. Marty |
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RE: PowerCenter Pro Problems OS X update problems |
June, 09, 2003 1:35 PM |
worldalex |
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The installer for OS X installs a generic OS X for all supported Macs. Their are no custom installs based on processor or installed devices. If you install OS X on a mirrored door G4, you could move the drive to any other Mac which is supported by OS X. With XPostFacto this includes the PowerCenter Pro among the supported systems. |
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RE: PowerCenter Pro Problems OS X update problems |
June, 07, 2003 10:00 PM |
jfblakie |
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Well, in my mind they (processor and motherboard) are most definitely an issue for this machine, but is the install different enough that it would not be portable from a G4, since it sounds like it is, at least, somewhat portable from another more modern G3 machine. Well, I guess I'm going to fine out soon enough. Probably Monday night. I'll let you know how it goes. |
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RE: PowerCenter Pro Problems OS X update problems |
June, 07, 2003 1:50 PM |
macguruguy |
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I hate to say this, but the processor and motherboard ARE an issue with OS X, otherwise there wouldn't be a need for this software -- think about it. Being able to move around a CD drive from machine to machine is due to the universal compatibility of Firewire, USB and SCSI and nothing else. I think the main issue here is the unique motherboard in the PowerCenter Pro. Although it was cutting edge at the time of its release with its 60 mhz bus, it now just a pain in the ass to try to update. I have yet to be able to even get OS X to install correctly with either XPostFacto or the Sonnet installer. |
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RE: PowerCenter Pro Problems OS X update problems |
June, 06, 2003 11:52 PM |
joevt |
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The OS X install should not change depending on the computer or processor used. Otherwise, you wouldn't be able to move the install CD or an external drive around to other Macs, whether they be new or old. |
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RE: PowerCenter Pro Problems OS X update problems |
June, 06, 2003 10:48 PM |
jfblakie |
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Installing on another machine sounds like a great idea. I only have access to a G4. Do you think the install would be different because of the processor difference? If not I would certainly give that choice a try. It might solve a whole bunch of my problems. I have seen the problems with the Rage pro myself, so I feel for you. Why did you have to remove the Asante Card? My Farallon card seems to work fine with 10.0 & 10.1.I'm in the process of trying the Clean install and upgrade. Thanks for your help. Later... |
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RE: PowerCenter Pro Problems OS X update problems |
June, 06, 2003 2:55 PM |
worldalex |
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Surprisingly Jaguar, I have run 10.2.5, was easier to install for me than 10.1. I am now mainly working with my 9600, because my Rage 128 seems to have issues with the PCPro. Last time I installed 10.2 I belive i cheated and did the install using my Blue & White and then transfered the disk to the PowerCenter Pro. I then used XPostfacto to boot up. The only thing I remember needing to do was remove my Asanté ethernet card and switch out some of my RAM Dimms (I had 2 that did not liike OS X). Software wise, I just had to slow the chip down to 13 and it would boot. |
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RE: PowerCenter Pro Problems OS X update problems |
June, 06, 2003 9:16 AM |
jfblakie |
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Thanks Alex, I'm glad hear that worked. That was my next step. I didn't think about saving the user folder though. That is a good idea. BTW - I'm pretty sure there is no hardware acceleration going on with the built-in video. Have you had any luck running Jaguar on your PCP? I tried installing Jaguar and every time the machine booted I got a static band and an infinite hang on the apple logo boot screen. I just figured 10.2 was going to run on this Catalyst machine. Thanks again. John |
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RE: PowerCenter Pro Problems OS X update problems |
June, 06, 2003 12:12 AM |
worldalex |
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OK, I apologize. I just reread your post and you simply want to upgrade to 10.1.5. I thought you just wanted to install a video card driver. I recommend a clean install of "X". I have found that parts of "X" somehow get corrupted and a clean install seems to fix the problem. I simply go into 9 and delete everything but my user folder. Then do an install. I choose the same password and such and "X" recognizes my old User stuff. I then proceed to update all the way to 10.1.5. |
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RE: PowerCenter Pro Problems OS X update problems |
June, 06, 2003 12:06 AM |
worldalex |
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This may seem a dumb question, but what video card do you have. I have a PowerCenter Pro as well and the ATI Rage II is not accelerated under any version of OS X. Classic drivers do not work as they don't have access to the hardware. If you are using a Rage 128 or Radeon, the drivers are installed in a standard update to 10.1.5 and 10.2 respectively. By the way, yeah the onboard video was the only way I could get "X" installed. I am not sure why it is listed as not compatible. I had been using a flashed Voodoo 3. |
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RE: PowerCenter Pro Problems OS X update problems |
June, 05, 2003 10:21 PM |
jfblakie |
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Well, no joy on the /Library/Receipts folder. After removing the security pkg and rebooting it still operated the same as before. Unfortunely, nick, I don't think reinstalling and letting the software updater do it job will work. That is essentially what I did the first time. I only tried the manual update route after the software updater wasn't doing its job. Another friend of fine suggested using the updater when he gave me the disks for the os. I will probably try to reinstall anyway! I think there has to be something lower level that I could try, but have no idea what it might be. Thanks again for your suggestions. |
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RE: PowerCenter Pro Problems OS X update problems |
June, 05, 2003 11:55 AM |
nick.ashton |
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When you run Software Update what does it say? If it says something like "Your software is up to date" or "No new software updates were available" then you might try deleting some of the files in the /Library/Receipts folder relating to the security updates. This might persuade software update to (re)install the required components. If not. then I'm afraid my advice would be to reinstall 10.1 from scratch and let software update do the donkey work to update to 10.1.5. |
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RE: PowerCenter Pro Problems OS X update problems |
June, 04, 2003 10:19 PM |
jfblakie |
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powderhaus, I have run the patches that Apple has recommended (Security Update 7-18-03) which is supposed to contain the installer update 1.0. Is there another pacth out there that I haven't found out about? Nick, Thanks for pointing out the other posting (OS-X Installer disks grayed out, May 18). I believe I have applied all of the patches they talk about, but I'm still having the same problems. |
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RE: PowerCenter Pro Problems OS X update problems |
June, 04, 2003 9:52 PM |
powderhaus |
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you need to update the installer, go to apples web site - support - downloads and then search for installer update or something allong those lines and you should find the update. i had this problem to, it took a while for me to figure it out. |
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RE: PowerCenter Pro Problems OS X update problems |
June, 04, 2003 8:03 PM |
jfblakie |
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OK. I'll take a look. Do you remeber what the title of the thread was? I've loaded the most recent patch and it said I don't need the installer update, but when I try to load the 10.1.5 patch it stills says I need the update. The software updates feature does not seem to trigger anything with the system updates like 10.1.x. I tried that too. I'll take a look at the thread and see what I can find. Thanks! |
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RE: PowerCenter Pro Problems OS X update problems |
June, 04, 2003 4:44 PM |
nick.ashton |
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There are some posts buried in this forum detailing the problem you have. I'm afraid you'll just have to trawl through looking for them. One thing to try is letting Software Update decide which updates you need. This might work. There are two separate Security Updates. Depending on which one you have installed you may or may not need the separate Installer Updater as well. Here's the text for the newer Security Update : "Security Update 7-18-02 replaces the prior Security Update 10-19-01 and Installer Update 1.0. To avoid reintroducing issues resolved by Security Update 7-18-02, do not reinstall either of the older updates." Hope this helps. |