Panther Drops Support for beige G3 |
July, 01, 2003 12:12 PM |
lt307 |
According to the readme file included with the preview and my own attempts, Panther does not support the beige G3. Looks like XPostFacto will have to add beige G3 support when installing/running Panther. |
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RE: Panther Drops Support for beige G3 |
July, 07, 2003 9:08 AM |
jmccown |
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Possibly interesting distinction between "we will lobotomize the code that supports Z" and "we will provide no support to anyone using Z". Haven't gotten motivated enough to do the darwin build yet... -J |
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RE: Panther Drops Support for beige G3 |
July, 06, 2003 3:07 PM |
OSXGuru |
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The other thing about dropping Old World support in 10.3 (assuming Apple does that) is that there are a handful of things here and there in the kernel itself that deal with Old World issues. The main one that I'm conscious of is NVRAM reading and writing--there is some kernel code that takes care of Old World machines, and I may have to figure out a way to deal with that. There may well be others. So, assuming that Old World support is dropped in 10.3, it will give me a little more work than I had anticipated. But it should not be impossible, and I am highly motivated :-) |
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RE: Panther Drops Support for beige G3 |
July, 04, 2003 4:56 AM |
tempest |
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Problem is kernel architecture. If that changes too drastically, it may be a "pain" to keep up. I recall Ryan says that the new kernel requires mapping of physical memory. So even if a module is bug free, it may need to be changed a lot to satisfy changes to the kernel. |
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RE: Panther Drops Support for beige G3 |
July, 03, 2003 9:25 PM |
lt307 |
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One thing to keep in mind however is that the Darwin core is open source. Its what made XPostFacto possible to begin with. Even if Apple "Drops" ADB support (odd considering the supported B&W G3 and Yikes G4 have it) or removes any drivers that the code from the old drivers is out there. They are mostly bug free and shouldn't be too hard to port to the new Darwin 7.0 kernel, its just that Apple themselves has now stopped updating the driver code and discontinued tech support for a few machines. Going by the 5 year logic the original Rev. A 266mhz Bondi iMac should be unsupported, but I highly doubt SJ would like to see that happen to his baby. Beige G3 and Wallstreet Powerbooks came in faster configs then the original iMac, so they should have enough horsepower to run Panther fine. |
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RE: Panther Drops Support for beige G3 |
July, 02, 2003 1:36 PM |
powderhaus |
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If 5 years is old, this place should never die, if apple keeps on dropping support for their computers after 5 years ryan will have a continual flow of new customers, although it could be tricky when the OS moves to 64bit only... i guess he will have to put it on hold for 5 years then pick it up again when apple drops support for the new powermacs. |
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RE: Panther Drops Support for beige G3 |
July, 02, 2003 11:29 AM |
Tony.Scaminaci |
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Here's a snippet from Macfixit's web site today: Non-USB Macs to not support Mac OS X 10.3 booting in future builds According to sources, Panther will definitely not support Beige G3s or PowerBook G3s without USB ports in its final release, even though users are having limited success booting the developer preview of Mac OS X 10.3 on these systems. A developer, speaking to us on the condition of anonymity, said: "Any successful installations are likely to be unstable and definitely unsupported. Future builds will not even install on these models. I've been directly told this is the case. [...] This is in keeping with Apple's statement that it will support its computers for a period of five years before considering them obsolete/vintage." It might be that Apple is dropping support for ADB keyboards and mice. Looks like Ryan has his work cut out for him. |
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RE: Panther Drops Support for beige G3 |
July, 02, 2003 1:06 AM |
jeff.barrows |
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Well, as far as I can see, no... But that was just doing a search, and I did not install using both disks.... But, i was hoping that mayube xpostfacto was going to be continued for us with biege g3's that would like to run panther..? |
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RE: Panther Drops Support for beige G3 |
July, 01, 2003 10:48 PM |
tempest |
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I don't mind it. My drives are still work fine. |
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RE: Panther Drops Support for beige G3 |
July, 01, 2003 10:26 PM |
mjoecups358 |
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I find the MESH support to be shakey anyhow in 10.2.6 Marty PS I have seen a LOT of Arbitrate/reselect errors |
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RE: Panther Drops Support for beige G3 |
July, 01, 2003 6:04 PM |
tempest |
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Dropping onboard Curio and MESH SCSI would suck for my 8500. |
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RE: Panther Drops Support for beige G3 |
July, 01, 2003 5:32 PM |
lt307 |
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I enabled Verbose mode and noticed that Panther did have support for the beige G3's chipset and onboard SCSI. I would have to check for serial drivers. All New World machines that I've seen still have the SCC serial chip on their boards, the modem slot is simply a serial header. Its also how Griffin was able to create their "GPort" serial adapters |
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RE: Panther Drops Support for beige G3 |
July, 01, 2003 3:23 PM |
tempest |
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I think Ryan mentioned this in a prior post; however, I recall that the Beige G3 was also the last Macintosh that had built-in serial ports, so it may also be possible that Panther doesn't have built-in serial support. Could someone with a preview copy reply if the distribution has any serial kernel extensions? In particular AppleSCCSerial.kext. |