8500 with XLR8 G3-400/1MB No Go with OS X 10.1 |
July, 06, 2003 11:54 PM |
guidoferro |
Okay... I've been at this most of the weekend., but no cigar. From the beginning: I purchased the 10.1 CD that was on sale from OWC for $19. Downloaded the latest version of XPF and ready to go. Performed the checklist as best as possible. Here's what I have: PowerMac 8500 with an XLR8 G3-400/1MB BSC. 384MB Ram (Interleaved) External Yamaha SCSI 8x4x24 CD-RW (Terminated) Internal Apple 12X SCSI CD-Rom (1st SCSI Device in chain) Internal Apple Floppy Internal SCSI Iomega Zip (Second to last SCSI Device in Chain) Internal 9GB SCSI Drive (Last in the chain) Internal 60GB IBM ATA Drive (Connected to IDE1 – First port) ATI Orion 16MB Video Card (Top PCI) XLR8 Dual USB Card (Middle PCI) Sonnet ACARD ATA/66 Card (Bottom PCI) What I did: - Partitioned the 60GB in to 4-15GB and initialized them with HFS+. - Copied all of my System Drive to the second partition – leaving the first partition for System 10 in case didn’t take on the SCSI drive. NOTE: Running 9.2.2. - Initialized the internal SCSI drive to be 1 partition. - Ran the XPF 2.2.5 with the OS 10.1 in internal CD-ROM. - It rebooted after the nice grey with Apple logo screen, I got the waiting for device message repeated 4 times at the bottom. Also towards the top, it said something like “Unable to load AppleCurio…� and “Class CurioSCSIController is duplicate� or something like that. I’m definitely having a SCSI problem. - I disconnected the internal SCSI drive and moved the SCSI cable to the zip drive to terminate the chain. - I attempted the installation again, this time assigning the destination drive to be the first 15GB partition on the ATA drive. Same response as above. - I tried the installation from the external SCSI CD-Rom, but again… same message. - At this point, I disconnected all internal SCSI devices except the CD-Rom. Again, making it the last in the chain. Again, the same message above. - I’ve even tried disconnecting all SCSI devices and running from an external IDE drive connected as a master on the second IDE port of the ACARD, but no go. - I’ve zapped the PRAM and disconnected the battery for 3 hours – still same message above. - The only thing I haven’t tried is connecting up to the built-in video, but I can’t find my adapter. I don’t think it’s this though… Any suggestions? I would really love to have OS X running on this machine. It’s been one hell of a trouper for what I’ve been able to do with it so far. Any insights appreciated. Thanks… |
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RE: 8500 with XLR8 G3-400/1MB No Go with OS X 10.1 |
July, 09, 2003 2:34 PM |
fixitjc |
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My turn to add to the confusion... :o) I have a working 8500, never had any real (except self inflicted) problems with X. My suggestion would be to pull all the PCI cards, leave the RAM (tho the 1 stick idea is good) put the drives in the order the would normally be in and install on the SCSI drive. I have not had any problems with the internal (fast ) SCSI nor the onboard Video. once you have the system installed then add the PCI cards one at a time. I am currently running 6 SCSI drives (4 HD and CD and CDR) with the HD's run from 9 to 43Gig. MY OSX was on one of the internal 9 gig (kept it as a backup) but now is on an external 43 Gig (full hight so it doesn't quite fit in the case). I believe if you start with the stripped down system you will have less problem installing and can add the extras when you have a stable system. Hope that helps and doesn't confuse the issue to much Jim |
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RE: 8500 with XLR8 G3-400/1MB No Go with OS X 10.1 |
July, 08, 2003 9:25 AM |
egonzales21 |
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To clarify, there are two SCSI internal connectors available: one is the fast port 10Mb and the slow 5Mb. The default connection is the faster one. The slower one is actually physically connected to the actual external SCSI port (the one outside the machine). Some people have had better luck using the slower connection though I have never had problems with the faster one (more desirable because of speed). I have always felt it was better to use hard drives to provide termination rather than the CD-ROM drive. In my systems: a 7500/a 8500/ and now a 9600 I have always used the hard drive as the final device. As for your ATA device: the 8GB limit applies to ATA drvies only but not to SCSI drives. To add more confusion, the distinction is not the hard drives themselves but how your system sees the drives. In other words there are some ATA cards that when the ATA drive is connected, the system sees them as SCSI therefore fooling the system. To find out how your drive appears in OS X however one must be able to use the disk utility application though usually the installer would not allow you to select an ATA partition greater than 8Gb. If when you first attempted to do your install the 15GB partition was allowed, then your drive is probably seen as SCSI. In general most older ATA cards from Sonnet and all Acard cards see the drives as SCSI. The new Sonnet 133 sees the drive as ATA. Hope the info is helpful. Ed |
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RE: 8500 with XLR8 G3-400/1MB No Go with OS X 10.1 |
July, 07, 2003 8:56 PM |
guidoferro |
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Oh! Also, I have upgraded all applicable devices to their latest firmware. Including the Sonnet Acard... I definately went through the checklist! ;-) |
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RE: 8500 with XLR8 G3-400/1MB No Go with OS X 10.1 |
July, 07, 2003 8:53 PM |
guidoferro |
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Thanks for the posts. I think I tried most everything configuation mentioned, except the 1 DIMM. If possible, I would want to remove the motherboard for last. Regarding the scsi termination, I presently have the internal cd-rom as the last on the cable, so it is terminated. The internal scsi drive and zip drive are not connected. I tried the external scsi connection, but it too produced the message I explained in my original message. egonzales21: Are you saying the other internal scsi connector is faster than the one on top? General question regarding 8500: Does it matter which PCI slot the Acard is instaled in? About the 8GB limit... Are we sure about this? I read on another post here where there was a disagreement on this issue. In any event, I will also give this a try. I'll restart over the weekend. No time now... Again, thanks.... |
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nuther suggestion |
July, 07, 2003 4:21 PM |
naturist |
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a known issue is that if you use an ATA drive for boot, you MUST partition it so that the first partition is less than 8 Gb, and you MUST use that for the OS X installation. If you made that partition 15 Gb, it ain't never gonna work. |
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RE: 8500 with XLR8 G3-400/1MB No Go with OS X 10.1 |
July, 07, 2003 4:20 PM |
egonzales21 |
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Several suggestions: Do not attempt installation to an ATA drive with an initial partition of 15G. It has to be 8G or less. Rage Orion card is fine. Might leave the other PCI cards out for initial install. The internal SCSI chain has to be terminated. Best think to do would be to put the Apple CD-ROM drive lst in the chain, leave out the Zip drive and place the SCSI hard drive last with it as the only terminated device. If you get to the point that the install is waiting for the root device, then switching to the slower external SCSI chain may help. It is the other SCSI internal adapter that is perpendicular the faster internal one. Good Luck Ed |
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RE: 8500 with XLR8 G3-400/1MB No Go with OS X 10.1 |
July, 07, 2003 12:44 PM |
gchron |
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The first thing I can see is that you do not have terminated the internal SCSI chain. The video card looks OK as you said you see graphical user interface (where you say something about the waiting for device - this is after the blue screen) Also try to remove some memory and start the system with just one DIMM. Oh and something else. Try to upgrade the Firmware of your ACARD PCI card I could start the 10.1 with a configuration like that with my 9500. I do not think that you cannt do it. |
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