9600 with SCSI AND IDE |
August, 13, 2003 8:40 PM |
john.england |
Sorry if this is slightly off topc but I'm desparate! I have a 9600 with a gigabyte of ram, a 29160N SCSI card and twin scsi hard drives. I wanted to put a Sonnet Tempo ATA133 card in there in order to run a large IDE hard drive for backup. With both the SCSI and the IDE card installed, I cannot get past the Happy Mac icon on a reboot. Either card works fine by itself. Anyone else run across this? Sonnet and Adaptec have no clue, or at least are acting like they have never heard of this. |
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RE: 9600 with SCSI AND IDE |
August, 20, 2003 7:56 AM |
jseibyl |
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okay then, sounds like a possible firmware or timing conflict, as joevt mentioned earlier, between the two cards when they each try to spin up the drives. Can you hear the drives spin up, and then sound like they are stuck in some kind of loop at the happy mac? I had that problem when I first went to jag. Turned out that for whatever reason, one of my scsi drives wanted to be ID 3 instead of ID 4 despite the fact that both id's were open and everything was terminated properly. I am all scsi, so my experience is limited on the IDE side, but the timing can be critical especially if you are running a G4 proc. Have you tried hitting the CUDA switch on this machine? If all you need to do is run the backup, can you boot into the 9.1 disk, backup the drive, and then put that drive on the shelf? I realise that is not the perfect solution, but at least it will give you peace of mind. For reference I am running a 9500 G4 800 1 gig RAM, 7000 ATI, 2940UW, usb/firewr combo, two drives on 2940 card, two drives on main bus, one external big ass brick HD for backup. |
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RE: 9600 with SCSI AND IDE |
August, 19, 2003 11:53 PM |
john.england |
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jseibyl: can't get past the happy mac icon on startup though, even when I am holding down the shift key. |
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RE: 9600 with SCSI AND IDE |
August, 19, 2003 11:09 AM |
jseibyl |
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If it is booting from the 9.1 disk, it could be something as simple as an early loading extension conflict from your 9 hard disk install. You know the drill on that, start it with extensions off and see if it boots. Since it IS booting from the 9.1 CD, which has minimal extensions, that could be the ticket right there. |
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RE: 9600 with SCSI AND IDE |
August, 18, 2003 11:03 PM |
joevt |
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NVRAM space is not divided among multiple cards. There is a set list of parameters in NVRAM and a set number of total bytes for all parameter values. Adding more cards does not make NVRAM parameters longer. I suspect some kind of firmware conflict between the cards if the solution is not related to flaky 9600 slot positioning problems. |
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RE: 9600 with SCSI AND IDE |
August, 18, 2003 7:57 AM |
john.england |
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Well I found out it boots with both SCSI and IDE if I boot from a OS 9.1 install disc, but not by itself. I can boot into OS X, no problem but not OS 9. The only card I cannot get rid of is the ATI 7000 graphics card. Wonder if that's what's putting the strain on the NVRAM. |
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RE: 9600 with SCSI AND IDE |
August, 14, 2003 3:02 PM |
marcush |
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I forgot to mention that as long as no drives were attached then my PTP will boot up into OSX. The machine will boot into OS9 with drives attached but not OSX. In OSX the card appears in ASP. |
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RE: 9600 with SCSI AND IDE |
August, 14, 2003 2:45 PM |
marcush |
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I ran across the same problem with my Tempo ATA/100 card in combination with both an Initio INI-9100UW card and an ATT0 Ultra2 card. The difference for me is that I wanted to use the SCSI drives for backup. I believe the problem is related to NVRAM space being too small to acommodate both cards. In the end I gave up on the SCSI cards and just have my backup drives attached to the built-in external SCSI. I have a Power Tower Pro with all slots except for slot 5 used. |
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RE: 9600 with SCSI AND IDE |
August, 14, 2003 9:34 AM |
wmdonnelly |
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While I have no experience with this particular setup, I do know that all of the 9600's PCI slots are not created equal. If you haven't already tried it, you should see if changing card positions...SCSI, IDE, and Video...helps. |
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