Curser Not Working in OS X |
March, 29, 2003 11:23 PM |
macguruguy |
Does anyone know why my curser will not work in OS X? Here's my system: PowerCenter Pro w/800mhz G4 Sonnet Crescendo PCI card OS 9.2.2 OS 10.2 - XPostFacto 2.2.5 used to install OS X Sonnet Tempo Trio Card with ROM 4.6.0 beta 256 MB RAM Using USB Mouse and Keyboard (although I originally had ADB mouse and keyboard installed with same problem). When I boot into OS X, the curser appears to freeze at its startup location. However the mouse is functioning (because I am able to guess and click on things), but the visual of the curser does not move. Anybody have a solution? |
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RE: Curser Not Working in OS X |
August, 30, 2003 4:31 PM |
macguruguy |
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Marty, Took your advice and moved everything over to a PowerTower Pro. Got OS X 10.2.6 loaded and working fairly well. However, can't get Global Village Serial Modem to work. OS X does not seem to recognize it (can't select telephone modem). Is there a driver that allows this modem to work, or do I need to move to a USB device. I have no DSL capabilities here, and cable is a bit difficult to install right now. Thanks, Mark |
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RE: Curser Not Working in OS X |
June, 29, 2003 11:36 PM |
mjoecups358 |
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Get a different box like the Powertowerpro or any "real" PCI powermac and move all your stuff over to it. Then pitch the Powercenter pro. Or not. Marty |
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RE: Curser Not Working in OS X |
June, 29, 2003 7:42 PM |
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has anyone heard from OSXguru? has he been able to write an extension that might help. i was away on vacation, and can see, there has been quite a lot going on here. i have had similar success as jfblakie months ago, but TRUTHFULLY, i paid good money for the card that OWC recommended and said was the only card that would work, but i can only get OS X to run on my original ATI 4MB card, which bites! so the card is only good for installing OS X, not running it on my PCPro. i am still using the ADB mouce & keyboard but was told that was not an issue, so i left it alone. ideas anyone? |
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RE: Curser Not Working in OS X |
June, 15, 2003 7:52 PM |
macguruguy |
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Thanks, I will try this. |
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RE: Curser Not Working in OS X |
June, 14, 2003 10:43 AM |
twoolley |
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ATI ROM Xtender v.1.1.3 can be found in your OS 9.x/System Folder/Extensions if you installed the ATI Radeon software and updates in OS 9.1. Boot into OS 9.1 and copy over the file to OS X.x/System/Library/Extensions/Apple NDRV/ as Chibi Delenn suggests. Hope this helps, Tom |
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RE: Curser Not Working in OS X |
June, 14, 2003 9:32 AM |
macguruguy |
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Chibi -- You've actually sparked my interest with the ATI ROM XTENDER post. Where do I get this file? I have both installers for OS 9 and OS X and have tried both. |
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RE: Curser Not Working in OS X |
June, 11, 2003 4:50 AM |
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--I wouldn't waste time trying to solve this gentlemens issue, since he is not willing to do the necessary (admittedly tedious) work, essentially this entire thread and all of his posts have been a waste our time reading and responding...-- I honestly could care less about MacGuruGuy's attitude right now. Seriously, I've had enough of the bickering in this world to last me a thousand lifetimes. My family does nothing but bitch and fight with each other. I've resigned myself to simply doing what I do best - helping others whenever I can, even if it means getting hurt or costing me something dear to me. I know very well that I will almost never get anything in return for my help or advice. But I refuse to treat others the way I've been treated all my life. That's just who I am. I wrote my advice down for MGG, and if it works for him, great. If not, then hopefully it still helps somebody else. Either way, I offer my help not because I might get something in return (hah, there's a laugh), but simply because I can. - Chibi Delennâ„¢ |
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RE: Curser Not Working in OS X |
June, 10, 2003 4:00 PM |
mjoecups358 |
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I wouldn't waste time trying to solve this gentlemens issue, since he is not willing to do the necessary (admittedly tedious) work, essentially this entire thread and all of his posts have been a waste our time reading and responding... Although they could still up being a benefit to other PowerCenter Pro owners with the Radeon 7000, who have the same issue.... Marty |
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RE: Curser Not Working in OS X |
June, 10, 2003 3:59 PM |
chibi_delenn |
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MacGuruGuy, You noted you have several SCSI components, and an external FW device. I would seriously consider just removing all external components, for now, and using the internal SCSI CDROM to boot OS X CD from. Also, I didn't see it noted here, so I'll mention it again. In the past with Radeon class cards, the ATI ROM XTENDER was an item suggested to go into /System/Library/Extensions/Apple NDRV/, so that it would override the video card's built in ROM on bootup, thereby allowing a successful, and functional boot. Might want to give this particular one a shot. Easiest way to do this is to install XPF's extensions as if you were going to install, let it reboot, but hold down option so you boot to 9 instead. Then just copy the ATI ROM XTENDER file over to the proper directory (it might also need to go into the same levels of the two other "system" directories that XPF creates for the install as well), and choose to Install again. Believe me, I know of the pain of getting OS X working right. Assuming you're looking at these forums still, try this. It just might work. - Chibi Delennâ„¢ P.S. - GodDAMN I hate the formatting issues in this forum. I get real tired of having to use the bloody -BR- tag every time I want a carriage return inserted. BG TO THE MAXXXXXXX. |
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RE: Curser Not Working in OS X |
June, 10, 2003 12:36 PM |
marcush |
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Well, I'm going to take a wild guess here and suggest to you that the Tempo Trio card is the source of your trouble. There was some discussion that went on for a while about the Trio card. The thread was initiated by Chibi_Delenn. As I recall the Trio card fills up OF with its own code causing other seemingly unrelated problems for other devices. Chibi_Delenn, for example can not boot from his 200GB WD SE drive. I have a Power Tower Pro 225 with a Sonnet G4/800, 1GB RAM, Sonnet Tempo ATA/100, Ratoc Firewire/USB2.0 card, M-Audio Revolution 7.1, Zynx 345 10/100 ethernet, and ATI Radeon Mac Edition 32MB. I have both an Apple ADB keyboard and USB Keyboard with built-in hub attached to one of the USB ports of the Ratoc card. A Logitec marble mouse and my Handspring Visor Deluxe cradle are attached to the keyboard's built-in hub. So both in theory and practice you should not have a problem. The only difference I see between you and the other people that have posted to help you is the Trio card. Ergo, this fact and information buried deep in the bowels of this forum indicate that the Trio card is in fact the culprit. I sympathize because I also have a Power Center Pro 210 with Powerlogix G3 375(o'clocked to 480Mhz), 512MB RAM, Acard ATA/100, ATI Rage Orion 128, and CompUSA Firewire/USB combo. It's running 10.2 as a file server right now but space is limited. I use an ADB keyboard with it but ocassionally bring the USB keyboard over to it. Neither machine has the cursor problem you describe. |
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RE: Curser Not Working in OS X |
June, 09, 2003 10:22 AM |
macguruguy |
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It's not possible to use just the video card and the sonnet card. My USB keyboard and mouse require the USB port on the Tempo Trio card. Also the software I have installed in 9 requires that the Fast SCSI port in the other PCI slot be installed. What you're proposing is just way to much work -- it would be easier to spend the money and buy a new G4. |
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RE: Curser Not Working in OS X |
June, 09, 2003 9:59 AM |
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Hi, OK I would definitely have just video card and Sonnet Card in computer when trying to install. Just attach USB mouse and keyboard and try ADB mouse and keyboard at the same time. This should work in OS 9 also. Test it in OS 9 to see if all four devices (mice and keyboards) are working. But make sure that there is NO ADB mouse attached after typing "Boot" and hitting the Enter Key at the NVRAM prompt becuase this will definitely lock up your computer when it gets later to the install screen. Use the internal SCSI CD for install and reset the device to SCSI number 6 or some other number you know for sure isn't being used. My Tempo card sets the devices on it to 2 and 3. Also I would put another Jumper on Jumper #4 of the TEAC CDROM drive which is to terminate it. Since I was used my SCSI CDROM Drive as the installer, I also made sure the Tempo Card only had one device connected to it during the installation of OS X and I made sure the Drive was set to the jumper of "Cable Select" which I know helped alot because when the Western Digital Hard Drive and Acer IDE CDROM Drive were both connected at the same time during installation I had problems. When you start up Xpostfactor are you sellecting Keyboard as the input and your ATI card as the Output??? Autoboot should NOT be checked. Your monitor should be plugged into the ATI card at all times because the onbord video will never work. When you choose the video output you should have two choices. Make sure you pick the ATI card or you will get a black screen when trying to install. By NOT choosing autoboot within the Xpostfacto menu, your computer will give you the NVRAM prompt after your computer restarts and you should type "BOOT" and then hit the enter key. Your machine will then start the install and the CDROM drive will start to spin. This process will take sometimes a very long time so don't think your computer is frozen. Eventually the CDROM light will start to flash and then you know it is working. Hopefully once the install starts you will be able to move your mouse. Xander Lago |
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RE: Curser Not Working in OS X |
June, 09, 2003 8:35 AM |
macguruguy |
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I thought I explained it pretty clearly. Curser gets visually "stuck" in upper left corner during boot of OS X installer. Mouse actually works, only I have to guess where to click. Got through full install once without ever getting curser to work properly by "clicking around". My System: PowerCenter Pro 210 Sonnet 800mhz G4 daughtercard 1 MB L3 Cache Sonnet Tempo Trio PCI card (v.4.0 firmware) 384 MB RAM 30 GB partitioned IDE hard drive (Quantum) connected to Tempo Trio ATI Radeon 7000 Mac Edition PCI card Original SCSI drive now external Original CD-ROM (Teac) installed internally External Pioneer DVR-105 DVD-RW Burner connected through Firewire All PCI Slots filled Have OS 9.2.2 installed currently. Trying to install OS X on top partition of 30 GB IDE drive (6.98GB). OS X will not boot with OEM video -- black screen. Cannot install using Sonnet installer (black screen). Removed last OS X install (corrupted from crash). |
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RE: Curser Not Working in OS X |
June, 09, 2003 1:52 AM |
xanderlago |
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My computer is as follows: 1) PowerCenterPro 240 2) Sonnet Crescendo G3:500MHz L2:1MB/250MHz 3) Sonnet TEMPO HD PCI 4) ATI Radeon 7000 PCI originally for a PC that I flashed to Mac. 5) 352mb Ram 6) Using Xpostfacto 2.2.5 7) Internal SCSI port has PowerComputing original CDROM Drive attached. 8) OS X is installed on 100GB Western Digital IDE Drive with six partitions attached to Sonnet TEMPO PCI card with firmware 4.5 on it for large drives. OS 9.2 and 9.1 are on partition two and three of this drive. 9) Using also an Acer IDE CDRW drive attached to Sonnet TEMPO PCI card. When you say in your last post that you tried IT... I have no idea what you tried.... At what point does your mouse get stuck? Does it get stuck before or after or duing the installation of OS X??? You say you installed it once... Did you install it today also??? I'm not sure... I am very confused. I know this is a posting board but for anyone to help you, you have to describe step by step what you are doing and at what point everything is working fine and then at the exact point that problem is occuring.... One other thing I would suggest is using the onboard SCSI port to install OS X. I noticed that the installation and OS seemed to like it better on a drive connected to the internal onboard SCSI port. I have OS X installed on an IDE Drive attached to my Tempo Card, but it took me two days of agony and grief to finally get it to work right When I installed it on the only SCSI drive I have which is 2GB the installation and boot up worked very smoothly. I couldn't keep OS X on the SCSI drive because after the initial installation and after running the Software I ran out of room on the drive so I was forced to use the Tempo card but in the end I got it working. Have you tried using a separate USB Card? I'm not sure how many PCI slots you have left because mine are all taken up -- I only have 3 (ATI Video Card, Tempo Card and Belkin USB Card on mine) but if you have a free one I would try using a separate USB card for the mouse and keyboard and see if this helps. Xander |
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RE: Curser Not Working in OS X |
June, 09, 2003 12:36 AM |
macguruguy |
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Tried it, but didn't work. The USB optical mouse activates, but the curser remains frozen in the left corner. Still can't get any farther than before. See below also... |
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RE: Curser Not Working in OS X |
June, 08, 2003 11:37 PM |
macguruguy |
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Two things -- First, I have tried both ADB and USB mice and keyboards (Logitech USB mouse and keyboard connected through Sonnet Trio card) -- neither of which will work for me. I have not tried to boot manually through open firmware however. I selected the keyboard as the input device at the beginning. Not sure how much that would affect, but might be worth trying the open firmware approach. Second, I WAS able to get OS X installed at one point (although curser was visually frozen, mouse still worked), and it crawled until I installed the Sonnet Tune-up (not the same as the Sonnet OS X Installer). Then it zipped along quite nicely, without the original Cache installed. So Sonnet's instructions are correct regarding the cache, you just need to have the correct cache software installed (at least that worked for me -- may not for you). I'm curious to know what machine you are running, for comparison purposes. |
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RE: Curser Not Working in OS X |
June, 08, 2003 6:07 PM |
xanderlago |
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Macguruguy, I was having similar problems with my mouse. Hopefully this will work for you because it worked for me. When I orginally was trying to install OS X, I was using the ADB port. The installation would go perfect but when booting into OS X after the install my mouse would just stick in the upper left side of the screen. I then booted back into OS 9.2.2 and erased the OS X partition install and started from scratch. I attached a Belkin USB PCI card to my PowerCenter Pro and plugged in a USB mouse and USB keyboard to both of the USB ports on the card. I made sure that both were working fine in OS 9. I also had the ADB keyboard attached to the computer and NOT the ADB mouse which makes two keyboards attached to the computer and one USB mouse and all were working fine. The reason why two keyboards have to be attached is because after installing xpostfacto I would go into the OpenFirmware screen and the USB Keyboard would not work so I needed something to type the "Boot " command at the prompt. Another thing I found out which I need to start a new post with is that I have the 1MB cache card in its slot. When I remove the 1MB cache card my computer CRAWLS within OS X. When I shut down and plug it back in my computer ZIPS along. My computer is just as fast as being in OS 9. I am very pleased because the computer cost me $50.00 at a computer show. So I would make sure that when you do the install of OS X have the 1MB cache card in the slot and then after the install is finished and the computer is up and running, experiment yourself and see if your computer is faster with or without the Cache card being in the slot. Sonnet says to take the cache card out but once again like their OS X software it's wrong. OK, stepping back a bit though.... I reinstalled Xpostfacto on my IDE drive partition. Originally, I was installing the Sonnet Program first on the partition and then Xpostfacto over it but I found out later that the Sonnet Program was another reason why I had so many problems so I think its best just to use Xpostfacto and not the Sonnet program at all even after you finally get OS X installed. Maybe other people have had luck with the Sonnet Program but everytime I install even the drivers from within OS X my computer becomes completely unbootable and I have to start from scracth all over again so now I have learned my lesson. OK Back to the problem though.... My computer rebooted after installing Xpostfacto and I get to the 0> prompt of the Open Firmware. I then typed the word BOOT using the ADB keyboard. After typing the word BOOT and pressing the Enter key I then very quickly unplugged the keyboard which still leaves the USB Keyboard and USB Mouse still attached. The computer then takes you to the install screen which actually you only need the mouse. I then go through the install and the USB mouse works fine making all the selections that need to be made. Another thing that is very importand is do a CUSTOM install. Uncheck all the items! ONLY install the items that are checked that can't be unchecked. After the machine does the basic install and reboots and is working properly you can do a software update to install things that you didn't check. The install finishes and reboots and both work perfectly. After you get the computer set up I then tried to see if the ADB Keyboard and Mouse would work and it does. So now I can use either the ADB or USB ports for the keyboard and mouse. I hope this helps... Good Luck Xander |
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RE: Curser Not Working in OS X |
June, 05, 2003 10:52 AM |
jfblakie |
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Part of me agrees, but I'm still hopeful that I can get 10.1.5 loaded that way I can get the new driver loaded and then use the 32mb card with OS X. I have another thread regarding that problem, but have not had much luck with solving that problem. |
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RE: Curser Not Working in OS X |
June, 05, 2003 7:35 AM |
macguruguy |
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I'm happy for your success. However, it doesn't make sense to me to try to run OS X on a 4MB video card when I have a 32MB video card loaded and working with OS 9.2.2. |
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RE: Curser Not Working in OS X |
June, 04, 2003 2:29 PM |
jfblakie |
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I've a little luck. I removed the PCI video card and used the built in Video (which isn't supposed to work). That worked, although the built- in video is only 4mb. The cursor is functioning. I figured I just needed a new driver for the video card, of course now the problem is that the video driver from ATI requires 10.1.3 or newer and I can't seem to get the updater to run. If it is not one thing it is another. Good luck with the Radeon card. |
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RE: Curser Not Working in OS X |
June, 03, 2003 7:28 AM |
macguruguy |
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No luck so far. |
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RE: Curser Not Working in OS X |
June, 03, 2003 12:26 AM |
jfblakie |
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Hey all, I'm a little late to the thread, but I am having very similar problems. I have a PowerCenterPro with a PowerLogix G3 400, ATI 128bit Rage 32mb video, 512MB RAM, and an Adaptec AHA2930B SCSIhost (OEM). Initially, OS X could not find the drives when connected to SCSI card. When I connected the SCSI chain to the slower internal SCSI bus it worked, sort of. I am now experiencing the same problem described earlier in this thread. I can guess on cursor placement and effect the interface, but it is really hard to accurately make a choice. Have you had any luck Macguruguy? Thanks, John |
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RE: Curser Not Working in OS X |
May, 28, 2003 10:43 AM |
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OSXGuru, any progress with that extension? thank you. |
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RE: Curser Not Working in OS X |
May, 26, 2003 1:30 AM |
macguruguy |
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Ryan, Just wanted to keep this post current on the board. |
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