6500 boots 10.1 installer to blank screen |
September, 03, 2003 6:55 AM |
Patrick.Brooks |
O.K., I am now trying to install 10.1 on 6500. removed all pci cards. All goes ok using xpostfacto 2.2.5 or 2.2b9 untill auto reboot in progress passes, some files copied in and out, then blank installer screen comes up. I think this is where the language select or first part of install should be, but nothing is displayed, just greenish looking screen. Any ideas? Pat |
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RE: 6500 boots 10.1 installer to blank screen |
September, 19, 2003 6:13 AM |
voxxdigital |
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AAhhhhn.... it could be. I wish you luck. Keep posted. |
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RE: 6500 boots 10.1 installer to blank screen |
September, 18, 2003 11:52 AM |
Patrick.Brooks |
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Well voxx thats got it for now. I'm writing this post from it.One of my 64meg dimms is still bad though. Called DMS and they are sending me a replacement. I had to get about 5 from them before I ever got 2 of them to work. UPS sent the battery to the wrong hub so it is postponed another day. Maybe that bad ram is whats keeping me from getting 10 to install. We'll see. |
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RE: 6500 boots 10.1 installer to blank screen |
September, 17, 2003 4:42 PM |
voxxdigital |
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Is it not booting at all? Not even on OS 9 (or anything below X)?? Try this: Remove the battery, leave the 6500 unplugged from the wall outlet for an hour, then place the battery back and press the CUDA button (a small pushbutton in the logic board). This shall erase the PRAM. Then try to boot with the OS 9 (or whatever native system you use) CD pressing the key "C" in the keybord. I believe this can bring the poor 6500 back to life. |
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RE: 6500 boots 10.1 installer to blank screen |
September, 17, 2003 12:05 PM |
Patrick.Brooks |
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I haven't tried to move the cable around, but I will next time I can get it to boot. Doesn't seem to want to come up at all today. Keps crashing at various stages of boot process. The new pram battery will be here tommorrow. I'll replace that and try to get it up and running then. It does have something in the L2 cache slot but I'm not sure exactly what. I'm sure it is factory whatever it is. I'll try to look in the profiler and see. |
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RE: 6500 boots 10.1 installer to blank screen |
September, 17, 2003 12:01 PM |
voxxdigital |
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Nick, sorry about your 6300. Yes, the 62/63/64/65xx series were always far away from being flagship models. But I have to say, my Performa 6360, with original logic board and now with 6500 logic board, never let me down a single time in all this 6 years I have it. Maybe I was lucky, but there are (or there were at that time?) more than one Apple factories or part-suppliers around the world, maybe your 6300 was made in a different factory than mine. Patrick, your monitor seems to have a bad VGA (or apple 15-pin) cable. Did you try moving the cable to see if the problem goes (or gets worst)? I don't remember if I asked you, does your machine have the L2 cache? |
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RE: 6500 boots 10.1 installer to blank screen |
September, 17, 2003 5:54 AM |
Patrick.Brooks |
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Since this machine was free (except for the ram and ethernet card I bought) I'll keep playing with it for now, and that is all it's really for anyway. The monitor will change shades to a kind of redish color for a few seconds and then go back to normal color. It hasen't done it as much lately, but it happens atleast a few times when starting. And then occasionally during the day. I ordered a new pram battery and should get it tommorrow. It is not showing many of the symptoms I have read for needing a new one except my aunt was told it needed one when she took it to the shop about 3 years ago. Can't hurt. I have been watching ebay for a good old beige g3 nick ashton. |
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RE: 6500 boots 10.1 installer to blank screen |
September, 16, 2003 3:37 PM |
nick.ashton |
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The best thing you can do with a 62/63/64/65xx machine is throw it in a skip. These were the sorts of models that brought Apple down. I used to have a 6300 in the office that I could reboot by tapping the case lightly with one finger. Taking it apart expecting to find a dodgy cable or loose ram chip I found an appalling design with all the major subsystems connected together by the cheapest, nastiest, glued together ribbon cables. No sign anywhere of a professional quality connector or any prospect of improving its reliability. I can't remember it ever running for more than 2 hours without crashing. 6400's were equally crap, never running for long and very reluctant to accept any PCI cards (which were unfortunately required due to the lack of built-in networking). If you want to run OSX, I'd buy a secondhand 8600/9600 for peanuts. This gives you access to G3/G4 upgrades so you can progress beyond 10.1, up to 1GB or more of RAM (OS X requires lots of RAM), solid build quailty and easy expandability. I know this is off topic but sometimes it's worth knowing when to stop flogging a dead horse. |
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RE: 6500 boots 10.1 installer to blank screen |
September, 16, 2003 1:56 PM |
voxxdigital |
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????? It seems that your 6500 may have something odd. My Performa 6360 with 6500 guts is currently running OS 9.2.2 and OS X 10.1.5. I never saw annything like that. How is your monitor changing colors? |
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RE: 6500 boots 10.1 installer to blank screen |
September, 12, 2003 3:23 PM |
Patrick.Brooks |
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Ok, this is not exactly xpostfacto related, but is 6500 related. This things is crashing on me alot. Mostly when I first turn it on. Seems like when it warms up it gets better. I also lost one of my 64mb dimms (crashed before and after so thats not really the problem 0. What are some other things to look for. Also the Monitor changes color for a few seconds sometimes. Anyone got any ideas. I probably won't ever get 10 installed til I get this problem resolved. I even had to install 9.1 the same way as you would 10 ie: install 7.5 , copy cd to hdd and install from there. Works good that way. 7.5 cd installs fine. 9.1 doesn't. |
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RE: 6500 boots 10.1 to blank screen - RYAN? |
September, 09, 2003 6:21 AM |
voxxdigital |
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Patrick, Well, OS X CD can be only used as installer, of course... as well as your "CD copy" partition. As you may already tried, you must set XPF as "start Mac OS X from->Mac OS X Installer (or copy in HD)" and "install Mac OS X to->(the first HD partition)". The files I removed, as far as I remember, were the OS X installer copy - I erased the CD copy and copied it again to HD - but honestly, I don't know if this had something to do with my successful install. |
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RE: 6500 boots 10.1 installer to blank screen |
September, 07, 2003 3:41 PM |
Patrick.Brooks |
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One other thing I noticed while reading through some other threads was that someone mentioned that xpostfacto listed os 10 cd as only being able to be used as an installer when selected as boot device. Mine says this as well. Also I have not been able to boot from either of the cd's I have. 10.0 or 10.1 on either my 6500 or my eMac. I don't know if this helps or not. I got them off of ebay and both are supposed to be full install disks for a different kind of machine. One was a power mac and the other I think was an eMac.When I try to boot from my eMac with 10.1 cd a different looking folder with an alternating question mark flashes then it eventually boots to 10.2.6 |
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RE: 6500 boots 10.1 installer to blank screen |
September, 07, 2003 8:04 AM |
Patrick.Brooks |
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OK, tried again...here's what happened. Wiped drive clean. partition to 5 gig, 1 gig, and 4 gig. installed 9.1 to 4 gig (with some problems, keeps freezing up on me during install). copied 10.1 disk to 1 gig, then moved all out of folder. Tried xpostfacto 2.2b9 and 2.2.5, installing to 5 gig 1st partition, input keyboard, output monitor, verbose mode, auto boot off...got gray screen as before. Tried 3.0 got kernal panic we are hanging here shortly into 1st boot sequence. I had downloaded 3.0 to a disk from a windows pc. I will reinstall the ethernet card and download straight to 6500 then try 3.0 again to make sure I have a good copy. I may also try to copy the cd contents from emac over network (may be having cd read problems with all these freezes I'm getting. Also voxx, would like to know more about this part of your original post in "unsupported" (Most weird, is that I didn'd do nothing different - at the point I was stuck in the greyed out diskes, I decided to remove the OSX system files from my boot HD ad just try again - and IT WORKED! Still dunno why... didn't zapped RAM, however). Exactly what files did you remove and what did you do after that? |
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RE: 6500 boots 10.1 installer to blank screen |
September, 05, 2003 7:10 AM |
voxxdigital |
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I'd suggeest you to partition your HD with a larger partition to OS X (i.e 4-x-xGig instaed of 2-6-2Gig). Swap file and extras takes a lot of space, and few space left would slow down your system. Let's try to narrow down your situation: 1-make sure you are installing OSX in the first partition of your HD. 2-make sure the input device is "keyboard" in XPF. 3-make sure the output device is "ATY 264GT-B" in XPF. (as for driver support, the 10.1.2 installer I used recognized the built-in video, so I don't see why 10.1 wouldn't) 4-DO NOT use the CD-ROM drive to install OS X. Copy all the CD contents to a separate HD partition and install from HD. All my attempts of installing from CD-ROM resulted in a blank screen. The way I used to copy all the CD contents to HD was dragging the CD icon into an empty partition of my HD; after copying, I got a folder called "Mac OS X Install" (as if it were the CD). I just poened the folder and dragged all its contents to the root directory level of the HD (that is, where the folder itself was) and trashed the empty "Mac OS X Install foder". The result was that on clicking the HD icon opened an identical window of clicking on the CD icon. Then I selected the partition I copied the CD to "install OS X from" and installed OS X in the first partition. |
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RE: 6500 boots 10.1 installer to blank screen |
September, 04, 2003 8:45 PM |
Patrick.Brooks |
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OK. This is what I have been doing. 6500/225, 10 gig maxtor hdd,128mb ram, on-board video (ATY 264GT-B) 2mb, all else original. Drive partitioned 2-6-2 gig partitions (also tried with 4 equel partitions). 9.1 installed to 3rd partition (also tried with 9.1 installed to all partitions). Use xpostfacto 2.2.5 and 3.0 to boot from cd and install to 1st partition. 10.1 cd recognized, boots, loads extensions, lots of patches, says auto reboot in progress, copies several files in and out then as installer looks like it is going to start, instead screen comes up that looks like 9.1 startup screen but with nothing there. No cursor buttons or anything. Stays on that screen as long as I leave it there. Checked xpostfacto log, last entry is output to pci 1 @ 12, or something really close to it. Have also tried installing to 2nd partition with same result. Tried ASR to 1st partion and install to second partition with same result. When tried to install 10.0 after files copied in and out several other errors went by then stopped at etc/master.password: permision denied. Not really sure what to try next. Thanks for replying though. You guys are very helpfull. |
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RE: 6500 boots 10.1 installer to blank screen |
September, 04, 2003 5:50 PM |
voxxdigital |
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Patrick, you said you still are stuck on the blank screen. Would you post here a step-by-step log of what exactly was your procedure to install OSX? |
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RE: 6500 boots 10.1 installer to blank screen |
September, 03, 2003 7:37 AM |
voxxdigital |
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OK, I just brought some old threads from the grave. Read them carefully. Please not the following: 1) you must install OSX in the first 8 GIG (or less) partition on your HD. 2) you must install OSX from a separate partition FROM your HD (as far as I tried, from built-in SCSI CD-ROM was a no go (blank screen). You must copy ALL the installer CD files to a separate partition on your HD and then install form there. 3) in XpostFacto menu, choose "keyboard" as input device, and "ATY..." as output device. |
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RE: 6500 boots 10.1 installer to blank screen |
September, 03, 2003 7:20 AM |
Patrick.Brooks |
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Hey voxx, I also had the post about 6500 stopping at etc/master.password: permission denied just last week. I was using 10.0 then. I now have a 10.1 disk and am trying that. All the last part of the text that was going by then is not there now. It now tries to start finder (I think). I checked xpostfacto log and last entry is output to aty,264gt-b then ====== and thats it. Looks like some kind of video problem. Maybe some drivers not loaded? Screen looks like startup screen in 9.1 without happy mac. |
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RE: 6500 boots 10.1 installer to blank screen |
September, 03, 2003 7:13 AM |
voxxdigital |
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OK, here you are, installing usupported on unsupposed, just like me. My machine is a Performa 6360 with a PM6500/300 logic board, which makes it techincally a PM6500, and it IS running OSX 10.1.5 now (I'm actually writing this post on it). You may know that the PM6500 is NOT in the XpostFacto's supported list, nor its PPC603 processor. However, I did manage to install OSX in my Performa. I wrote a long thread about this, and it's deep buried in this forum. I'll look for it and bring it to the present. If I can't, I'll write here some tricks that I used to install OSX on my 603 machine. |