After 3 attempts of installing OS X on a Beige G3 (Rev A) with an OWC G4 500mhz zif upgrade it finally installed. Now I can't boot back into OS 9 or OS X. OS 10.6 was working fine and then I used the system preferences startup disk to change to OS 9, it gives me the happy Mac face loads the XLR Mach control panel and then freezes after you see the icon with the two arrows, one pointing right and one pointing left. The box says "error type 10" and suggests to start with extensions off. Tried holding Shift key to start with extensions off and it hangs. BTW, the system chime and all sound no longer works. Can't even boot from a CD of OS 9.2.1. Also, my internal CD drive had to be changed as it would no longer work on the original bus. So I put in another CD drive on the second IDE channel of a Sonnet IDE card. I swapped out the floopy drive and placed another hard drive in the bay and connected it to the Sonnet card on IDE channel 1. So now I have two internal hard drives connected to the Sonnet card (IDE channel 1; where drive one (120gb) is master and drive two (60gb) is slave) and the original Apple hard drive with 9.2.2 (Three internal hard dirves in all). The 120gb drive is where OS X sits on a partition of 7.45gb. Does anyone know if this is a software or hardware problem?
I had a similar problem in booting back to 9 but it was because open firmware for booting into X changed my Atto scsi card so that it has to be removed from the computer to boot into 9. I don't know if something like this has happened to your Sonnett card but when it did on my Atto and I was trying to boot into 9, it really messed up the 9 partition. When this happened it caused the boot blocks on the 9 partition to become corrupted. I had to use Norton system works 1 disc to boot off of and then run disk doctor. But I couldn't even get it to boot off of the cd until I did the following: Remove the Atto card Remove the pram battery Hold down the CUDA button with a pen for at least 10 seconds. Longer won't hurt. Put the battery back in (you're sure that the battery is good, right?) Put a 8.5, 9..., install disc or Tech tools disc or System works disc into the cd tray Hold down "shift/option/command(apple)/ delete" at boot and hold listening for the boot off of the cd and not the hard drive. Fix the partition or do a clean reinstall of 9. I eventually figured out the problem was the Atto card no longer being compatible with 9 but had to do the above little dance several times before it became apparent that it was the cause. So just in case the Sonnett card is the problem, remove it to run this procedure. Good luck
I had a similar problem in booting back to 9 but it was because open firmware for booting into X changed my Atto scsi card so that it has to be removed from the computer to boot into 9. I don't know if something like this has happened to your Sonnett card but when it did on my Atto and I was trying to boot into 9, it really messed up the 9 partition. When this happened it caused the boot blocks on the 9 partition to become corrupted. I had to use Norton system works 1 disc to boot off of and then run disk doctor. But I couldn't even get it to boot off of the cd until I did the following: Remove the Atto card Remove the pram battery Hold down the CUDA button with a pen for at least 10 seconds. Longer won't hurt. Put a 8.5, 9..., install disc or Tech tools disc or System works disc into the cd tray Hold down "shift/option/command(apple)/ delete" at boot and hold listening for the boot off of the cd and not the hard drive. Fix the partition or do a clean reinstall of 9. I eventually figured out the problem was the Atto card no longer being compatible with 9 but had to do the above little dance several times before it became apparent that it was the cause. So just in case the Sonnett card is the problem, remove it to run this procedure. Good luck
infinitymvp, Don't forget to leave the power cord unplugged from the outlet while removing the battery. This will make sure thet the logic board will not be powered in any way. In the day after, when placing the battery back, also press the CUDA button (it may be near the processor slot). Then try to boot directly from OS 9 CD (if something weird happened to your OS 9 in the HD it may mess up your PRAM again). If successful, then run Disk First Aid in your disks before trying to boot with the internal HD. BTW, is is ATA?
egonzales21 and Tempest are correct, I probally should have clarified.....PRAM should be zapped at least a couple of times to be clear it. If I am having some real oddball stuff on a machine, I yank the pram battery and leave it out overnight. This does the same thing. If that still does not work, then there is something on that board that is just not right. If you are getting the X verbose stuff going on....even without your X drive in the machine, that are the boot loader extensions loaded onto your 9 disk trying to boot a drive that is not there. Question....Do you see this even after trying to restart with the option key down OR if you are trying to run from the CD???
Your system is still trying to boot OS X from those verbose messages. Try powering off your system, then turn on the system while you have the Option key depressed. Keep it depressed until you get the OS 9 checkered gray screen. If you don't get the checkered gray screen, power off and restart your system with Cmd-Option-P-R and wait for the chime to come on _twice_. Then power down and restart.
It seems like your OS 9 system has become corrupted if it continues to stop at Open Transport. I know you have apparently tried to boot from an OS 9 CD as well which also failed seeming to suggest a hardware issue. Since you continue to see a gray screen on booting and then the open firmware message of not being able to boot of your Sonnet card would suggest that in your PRAM your computer still thinks it is suppose to boot from your drive that was connected to the Sonnet card. It appears that you never really cleared out your PRAM. It is always good to zap your PRAM at least 4 or 5 times to clear or remove your motherboard battery for several hours. This should reset the PRAM. Another option would be to boot into open firmware and reset the boot option but that is another topic. Try rezapping your PRAM first.
Jseiby, I tried booting with the old processor (G3 266mhz) and I get as far as loading the Open Transport extension then it freezes. Same thing goes with a CD of 9.2.1. When it first boots, I get a gray screen with a bunch of text that repeats over and over that "can't open ultratech pci 100". Now I don't have that card in and I still get this verbose stuff. Why all this verbose? Is there any extension I could look for in this system folder to remove? I did remove all the preferences for XPostFacto and the XLR8 Mach extension, preferences and control panel and it still hangs at the same place. I'm wondering if the OS X installation could have changed anything on the logic board?
Sounds like an extension conflict if you are getting as far as the boot screen... but this is happening with a CD also?? but you put your old proc back in AND made sure the cache enabling software is NOT loading. Here is a shot...Do you have an OS 8.6 disk lying around that you could boot from. If so give it a try and see if it freezes at a similar point. IF it does, and you have tried two different procs.....the only answer left is something screwy on your logic board. By eliminating ALL possible variables, that would be the only thing I can think of if the conditions above are yeilding the results I described.......
BTW, I removed the Main internal hard dirve and put it in a firewire case, attached it to my powerbook and it shows up on the desktop. So I removed all traces of XPfacto from the system folder and placed the hard drive back into the Beige G3 and it still hangs after the Open Transport extension loads.
Thank you fellows for the help. I re-seated the ram, removed the Sonnet card and used only the Main hard drive attached to the internal main bus. I've tried many combinations of switching the hard drives and I keep getting the freeze after the "Open Transport"" icon loads but when first starting the screen comes up with a repetitive message that says can't open ultratech pci card (which I believe is the Sonnet card) then it goes to the happy mac icon and begins loading 9.2. It then loads the XLR8 mach control panel extension, then the Open Transport extension and freezes and shows an empty box. What do you make of this?
I am not sure if this is the problem, because you seem to get part of the way into booting OS9. However, if OSX becomes corrupted, it can be impossible to boot into OS9 from OSX, and OSX is obviously impossible to boot from, because it is corrupted. The way to solve this, if this catch-22 is your problem, is to boot from an OS9 installation CD or rescue disk. Just restart while pressing the C key and the disk in the CD. Once you have booted up, then you can choose any OS9 containing drive to start up from via the startup control panel of your CD rescue disk. Obviously, you will need to fix your OSX boot disk with a program such as DiskWarrior before you have a chance of booting into OSX. If you have DiskWarrior, you can use it directly as your rescue CD disk to boot from. Good luck
Where exactly does it hang?? An error 10 is a memory error. I know this may sound basic, but are your RAM cards seated properly. If the machine is misbehaving like this, then I think you have three possibilities. 1. Either bad, or not seated RAM 2. Disk corruption 3. Problem with the cache or enabler software on upgrade chip You mentioned that you cant even get the CD to boot, so that rules out 2. Do you have your original proc for that machine?? The next step I would take would be to put that in WITHOUT Sonnet card and see what happens. If it boots, then you know it is either the cache OR the software enabler for that proc. If you get that, then I would try to re-install with the PowerLogix cache enabler for procs, that works well. If you have not touched the ram, than it is possible your problem is here. If the proc cannot enable the L2 cache, you will have this trouble. Hope that at least gets you started.
I did zap the pram and remove the internal battery but not with the Sonnet card removed. I just removed the Sonnet card and zapped the pram and it freezes at the same point.