XPF 3 Not Loging in on 8500/g4 800 |
October, 12, 2003 7:43 PM |
w18593323 |
I have a 8500/g4 800. 9 is running on an adaptec 2940UW, X on the slow logic board chain with an active terminator. I enable L3 cache on XPF 3 and reboot. The installation goes in great. After reboot, The blue X screen comes up, I get the X screen, goes trhough all the init procedure (...uapdating network connections..) and I get a blue screen, with the cursor in the middle. The curson becomes the spiral and nothing happens> I waited once for an hour no difference. I have tried to format the drive with Speedtools and with the built in mac 9 tool with similar results. I was able to have the the system running X before under XPF 2.25 |
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ATTN: Ryan! "STARUP Items" ruin 10.1.5 maybe later |
October, 16, 2003 6:55 PM |
billbohughes |
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>>>RE: XPF 3 Not Loging in on 8500/g4 800 October, 15, 2003 9:52 PM peter266 I have a similar problem with a 9600/300. OS 10.1.5 was running just fine with XPF2.2.5 But of course I had to go and try XPF 3 and it will boot through the whole startup and stop just before displaying the desktop picture, I am left with only the spinning beachball. The big problem is I can't get it to boot in XPF 2.2.5 now either. Any ideas how to go back to 2.2.5 >>>RE: XPF 3 Not Loging in on 8500/g4 800 October, 16, 2003 5:56 PM peter266 . Ok I got it. I removed the XPF startup items and everything plays nice now. --__--__--__--__--__--__--__--__--__--__--__--__--__--__--__--__--__-- Ryan this has happened to me to on my 9500 w/XLR8-G3/500, 512-RAM, UL2D w/18GB Cheetah (10.1.5) and 9GB Ultrastar (OS 9.1.2= Classic), I tried all of Apple's little "single-user" (ie- moving the Internet/Network preferences folders, etc...) tricks to see if it would get around it, but to no avail. I don't know what XPF is putting in there, but it doesn't seem to play nice with 10.1.5 (haven't gotten Jag Upgrade CD's yet, as I'm waiting for them to go WAY down in price, am completely broke) Also, I have a question I would like you to consider (will be addressed to you in another post) Bill Hughes |
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RE: XPF 3 Not Loging in on 8500/g4 800 |
October, 16, 2003 5:56 PM |
peter266 |
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Ok I got it. I removed the XPF startup items and everything plays nice now. |
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RE: XPF 3 Not Loging in on 8500/g4 800 |
October, 15, 2003 9:52 PM |
peter266 |
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I have a similar problem with a 9600/300. OS 10.1.5 was running just fine with XPF2.2.5 But of course I had to go and try XPF 3 and it will boot through the whole startup and stop just before displaying the desktop picture, I am left with only the spinning beachball. The big problem is I can't get it to boot in XPF 2.2.5 now either. Any ideas how to go back to 2.2.5? |
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RE: XPF 3 Not Loging in on 8500/g4 800 |
October, 14, 2003 9:37 AM |
jseibyl |
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Have you checked the ASP in X to see if your L3 cache is enabled or not. That chip has 1 meg L3, Without it, jag WILL craw. I have a simialar rig g4 800 and I used Sonnets "tune up" to enable the L3 cache. I have left it on on XPF just to see if it would cause issues, and it seems to be okay. I am not sure if the sonnet tune up is working OR the XPF is, but it is without any conflicts that I see. BTW, Jag likes RAM, with 512 or more, you will also see a difference, did you interleave the RAM, that will also boost performance, but be careful it should all be speed matched. OWC 60ns EDO ram works pretty well. I threw 1 gig into my 9500, since at 25 bucks a 128 stick, not a bad deal. the system bus of old world is 50 mhz at best for your 8500, so there is the main bottleneck right there. Considering that jag is a few years younger than 2k, you will see that it does take some bandwidth, BUT you can get good speed out of your machine, what graphics card you running, if on-board, there is a MAJOR bottleneck with the dock, redraws, etc. Jag is VERY graphics intensive and the venerable radeon 7000 works well. It needs 32 megs vram to work well, I think, since the entire graphics subsystem works on the pdf model. You could even get Quartz Extreme to run on this card to push even further, though for some stuff it actually slows down re-draws like video, but if you are not doing that, might work well for you. I am also cross-platform, see the xp thread...... Jim |
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RE: XPF 3 Not Loging in on 8500/g4 800 |
October, 13, 2003 9:52 PM |
w18593323 |
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No I have not. I have a feeling that the cache was the problem, since is one of the differences between xpf 2 and 3. I went back to xpf 2.25 and I was able to install the OS. THe cache utility did not go in gracefully and after that the "instaler update" had problesm/. The log said that it was installed, but when I tried to install the 10.1.2 update, I got the "update instaler required". I used XPF to reboot and install the 10.2 (Jaguar) and bypass the updates, and it seems that it is working. Now I'm going to try to clone the image of the drive into a 2940 UW. Overall the machine feels slow, really slow. This is my first mac, most of my experience is wintel. But for a 800MHz/256 feels REALLY slow (my pentium pro 200Mhz circa 1995 with win 2k and 256 MHZ feels much faster). Im starting to thing that the memory bandwidth of the old world mac is not enough to support what we are trowing at them. Just some math: Pci bus is in theory 133MB/s, but in reallity is not faster than the memory of the machine. EDO on these machines is about 30MB/s, more or less the bandwidth of firewire. That by itself can stop the PCI bus. I'm putting a B&W g3 400 together to compare the actual performance. |
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RE: XPF 3 Not Loging in on 8500/g4 800 |
October, 13, 2003 7:09 AM |
jseibyl |
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just for kicks, have you tried booting with the cache enabler off?? |
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