Hard Drive Problem |
October, 17, 2003 9:17 AM |
cmstar |
I just want to see if anyone else has had this same problem. I tried for over a week to get X installed in my 8600 and my 7300 to no avail. Finally solved the problem, it was the hard drives. Not termination, all scsi was proper. Also I could see the hard drives just fine in OS 9. They were Apple Branded Quantum Fireballs (2 and 3 gigs). But when I would boot into the X installer with XPF, I would immediately get a Kernel panic. I tried low level formats, nothing. Swapped them out with a 1.2 gig Apple branded Quantum Fireball, and X installed no problem (cept I had to choose not to install the langauges due to the limited space). Has anyone else seen this problem? Will a third party disc utility program solve the proble (by reformatting)? Thanks, Cory |
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RE: Hard Drive Problem |
October, 20, 2003 3:54 PM |
gregoryy |
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hey, glad that helped! just passing on what I've heard, tried, and learned. But this DS 2.1 is news to me, and I've never heard any rumblings on its existence. I've seen SCSI drives that won't work with older versions of Drive Setup but will with 2.07. And of course, anything I have thrown at OS X 10.2.3+ doesn't have trouble either (except if it is an OEM drive, because I did have trouble with an IBM ULtrastar Z15 OEM). Maxtor Atlas 10K IV's won't work with even DRive Setup 2.07, so you need Disk Utility or SoftRAID 2.2.2 or something else. I've also seen IBM/Hitachi drives, 120GXP or newer, work where an older drive wouldn't (the 7K250 is purported to be the fastest 7200 rpm ATA drive now). |
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RE: Hard Drive Problem |
October, 20, 2003 9:59 AM |
cmstar |
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Gregoryy, you hit upon something that really helped. You suggested using Drive Setup 2.07 (from OS 9.2.2). Surprisingly, simply initializing a drive under 2.07 made it work (OS X installable) whereas a complete low-level format under OS 9.1 wouldn't work. This, and some late-night caffeine, got me to tinkering around. I copied the system folder and applications, from the OS 9 install from my 2002 ibook, onto a cd. I popped the cd into my 8600 and tried to restart from it. Strangely enough 'Startup Disk' app reported that the cd contained OS 9.1.7 even though it boots '9.2' on the ibook. Either way, it wasn't bootable. However I could access the applications folder and found that the ibook had Drive Setup 2.1 (newer that 9.2.2 update's 2.07). This version of drive setup could also format drives and have X recognize them. But to my surprise it recognized a presumably dead hd drive and rescued a few more. If anyone has access to it, I'd recommend using this version of Drive Setup with XPF. Hope it helps someone. |
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RE: Hard Drive Problem |
October, 17, 2003 1:40 PM |
gregoryy |
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Atlas 10K II 9GB $39 (68-pin) http://www.hypermicro.com/store/scsihdd.htm |
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RE: Hard Drive Problem |
October, 17, 2003 1:36 PM |
gregoryy |
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Sometimes Drive Setup 2.07 (part of 9.2.1) works where the earier DS would not. If you can actually boot and get to Disk Utility, that should be the best bet. Even with ATA drives, some people reported just using a newer model worked where older drives would not or were trouble. Of course Jaguar can easily use 3GB before it even starts to use temporary space for anything, which it does do. Any 9GB drive or larger should be enough and even faster. You can find cheap Atlas 10K II's with 8MB cache that run great with adapter in the FastSCSI bus. Intech HDST 3.5 works, while FWB HDT 4.5.2 isn't even guaranteed to work with 9.2.2. Apple made some changes in 9.2.1 that affected the ATTO UL3S on just a few systems and req'd new firmware. There are other examples. Just that the firmware on disk drives, controllers, the driver, and the OS all don't always get along and sometimes it is the disk drive itself. |
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