Carbon Copy Cloner on unsupported machine |
October, 25, 2003 10:41 AM |
johndjunkmail |
I have a Power Tower Pro, 500mhz sonnet G3 card. running OS 10.2.6 . it has been working fine for months. OS X is installed on a 2GB SCSI drive. I recently purchased a 9 GB 10,000 rpm western digital SCSI drive, installed, partitoned, used Carbon Copy Cloner to copy the 2GB drive to the 9 GB. when you try to restart, it goes to a grey scren and smiley face OS 9 screen. I have tried starting using Xpostfacto 2.5, but still nothing. Xpostfacto restarts the 2GB drive fine. I was reading about "blessing the system folder" CCC supposedly did that. then I tried to manually , but still nothing. I am getting ready to just use Xpostfacto to do a fresh install onto the 9 GB drive. anyone have any ideas of getting the 9 GB up and running without doing a fresh install? thanks John |
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RE: Carbon Copy Cloner on unsupported machine |
October, 27, 2003 1:41 PM |
jseibyl |
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I gotta agree with fixitjc, CCCloner works just ducky for me, I have cloned three drives all from one master and used each one on a different machine, 2 8500's and one 9500. I of course removed them after I determined it was working.......;-) I use a large external seagate elite for my "movable" install of 10.2.8. Reinstalling the XPF extensions works great for me everytime I move a drive for testing. I have a feeling it might be something with the drive itself..... |
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RE: Carbon Copy Cloner on unsupported machine |
October, 26, 2003 6:14 PM |
fixitjc |
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Yes I have several cloned drives all are bootable. Including the ones I cloned to run other machines. each time I had to "reinstall extentions etc." I am currently running 10.2.8 on an 8500/G3 500. I have also used CC to keep one of the drives on this machine Identical to the main one. Hope that helps Jim |
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RE: Carbon Copy Cloner on unsupported machine |
October, 26, 2003 10:31 AM |
frankbendrick |
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My experience showed just the opposite. When I tried “reinstall extensions, etc.�, I still could not boot from my cloned disk. Only when I used the original disk as a helper was I able to boot from the cloned disk. As they say, however, your results may vary, depending on the mood of the MacOS gods... ;-) Regards... |
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RE: Carbon Copy Cloner on unsupported machine |
October, 26, 2003 10:30 AM |
frankbendrick |
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My experience showed just the opposite. When I tried “reinstall extensions, etc.�, I still could not boot from my cloned disk. Only when I used the original disk as a helper was I able to boot from the cloned disk. As they say, however, your results may vary, depending on whatever... ;-) Regards... |
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RE: Carbon Copy Cloner on unsupported machine |
October, 26, 2003 9:32 AM |
fixitjc |
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The advice in the previouse note is fine but if you do the "reinstall extentions, etc" you shouldn't have to use any "helper" drive. |
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RE: Carbon Copy Cloner on unsupported machine |
October, 25, 2003 11:38 PM |
frankbendrick |
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Using the latest alpha version of XPOSTFACTO 3, restart from your 9.1 drive. In XPFT select the 9GB drive as the startup drive and the 2GB drive as the helper. Your machine should boot from the copy of OS X on the 9GB drive. One possible drawback: You may have to use the 2GB drive as a helper drive every time you boot from the 9GB drive. Regards... |
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RE: Carbon Copy Cloner on unsupported machine |
October, 25, 2003 9:43 PM |
fixitjc |
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A suggestion. Boot into 9 and open XPF and check off "Reinstall Extentions " and ... I can't remember the other item but both are under the same pull down menu. I think you will find that may fix your booting problem. I haven't booted into 9 in so long I forget. I have never been much of a fan of WD either SCSI or ATA I'm sure others have had great luck with them. But I spent a fair amount of time shipping bad drives back to WD for friends that built PC's the other item I usually suggest has been covered in other posts but ...make sure you have formatted the drive with (preferably) Apple Drive Utility or Intech's Hard Disk Speed tools. If you try to install OSX on the ATA the 8 gig rule applies if you do an install and not if you clone. And I believe it must be on the first partition of the drive. Hope that helps Jim |
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RE: Carbon Copy Cloner on unsupported machine |
October, 25, 2003 6:13 PM |
smwalker |
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I've heard too many problems using disk utility from osx on drives of unsupported machines, even if checked to use os9 disk drivers. I would redo partitioning/formatting/os9 disk drivers using os9. Termination critical using jag. |
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RE: WD SCSI |
October, 25, 2003 3:33 PM |
gregoryy |
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Yes, I thought WD _use to make SCSI_ and know that its been a long while since I've seen any. 10K drives have been out 3 yrs? When StorageReview first looked at the Raptor, one of the arguements was that this provided a way for WD to get into entry-level server market and not canabilize their non-existent SCSI line, while IBM, Maxtor, Seagate would be enroaching on their own territory if they brought out 10K SATA drives. Also, I don't trust OWC's adaptors. I thought it might even be an SCA drive which are even more trouble. (I buy my adapters from GraniteDigital, might seem like overkill to some unless you've wasted time and money on inferior equipment). Okay, so saying WD doesn't do SCSI was partially inaccurate. I replace and upgrade my disk drives every two years as the performance and price/GB improves (36GB drives for $152 that deliver 68MB/sec when 65% full are a bargin, even today). I do a lot of homework, mostly dealing with SCSI. Even Nikimi no longer deals in SCSI drives. I figured it might have been an OEM relabled Ultrastar or something. And 9GB Fast or Ultra SCSI isn't going to challenge today's PATA. Even on U2 it probably won't deliver more than 25-35MB/sec. |
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RE: Carbon Copy Cloner on unsupported machine |
October, 25, 2003 1:47 PM |
johndjunkmail |
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info on the 10.000k drive labeled as Western Digital MDL: MDCO15-0091 DCM: CBNPMC S/N WL7109031603 manufactured 26 march 2002 9.15 GB 10K rpm ultra 160m SCSI ultra 3 warranty info nikimi 95926030260387 www.nikimi.com its an 68 pin converted to a 50 pin. the converter was purchased from other world computing. no other info on the adaptor itself |
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Note to Gregory |
October, 25, 2003 1:41 PM |
willschou1 |
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Gregory, Did you really mean to say "WD (Western Digital?) has never done SCSI ? Dude do your homework before making statements like this! All of us make mistakes from time to time while trying to be helpful to others. Western Digital was nearly all SCSI before making a change over to ATA drives after SCSI use decinded on a large scale a few years back. So there are tons of WD SCSI drives on the used market. |
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RE: Carbon Copy Cloner on unsupported machine |
October, 25, 2003 1:37 PM |
johndjunkmail |
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more info , the 10,000 rpm drive is on the 2nd internal SCSI bus with its own cable. it is # 0 on that bus. it is the only thing on that bus. it shows up on the desk top and you are able to copy items to and from it. on the first internal SCSi bus, is the working 2GB SCSI drive is also #0, CD rom #3 (yes SCSI), 2nd SCSI 2GB drive # 6 I installed the hard drive into the machine booted up into OS X 10.2.6 ran apple disk utility and partitoned the drive. I did check the "install OS 9 drivers" the software for the SCSI CD is FWB CD rom tool kit. it worked installing OS X onto the original SCSI drive. so I dont think thats an issue. I just got my hands on an apple 8x CD rom that I am going to install. that way I dont need any 3rd party software for the CD rom. I followed the CCC instructions and everything seemed to go fine, it had an error with iphoto, so I clicked ignore and it continued the install. I watched the CCC program say "blessing the system folder" also I partitoned the 9 GB SCSI into a 7.5 and 1.5 GB partiton. I also have an ATA drive in the system, I tried installing onto that but it wouldnt allow it. I will have to try CCC of the 2 GB onto the a partition on the ATA drive. |
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RE: CCC and "Bless OldWorld" |
October, 25, 2003 1:26 PM |
gregoryy |
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And if you use CCC, use 2.3 and make sure to check the "Bless OldWorld" and it often does fail and needs to be redone in the terminal, especially when using SCSI drives for some reason I'm not sure of (and neither is the author Mike Boombick). But you need to get that to work on the destination volume. |
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RE: Carbon Copy Cloner on unsupported machine |
October, 25, 2003 1:23 PM |
gregoryy |
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WD has never done SCSI, that is part of why they were willing to offer the 10K Raptor (Serial ATA drive). Most 10K drives require and are LW 68-pin so it sure sounds like you might be using an elcheapo adapter, active terminator type, to put 10K drive on narrow SCSI bus (rather than on Miles2 or another SCSI controller). also, Drive Setup 2.07 or if you can find 2.1, work better than even DS 2.03 when it comes to support for 9.2.1+ (incl. OS X 10.x). HDST 3.5 has the "habit" of enabling wide drives as narrow by default "to insure fewer problems" so you also need to go into Options to configure the drive and enable wide transfers. Termination is key to support and success using SCSI - especially with Jaguar. |
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RE: Carbon Copy Cloner on unsupported machine |
October, 25, 2003 1:01 PM |
smwalker |
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Give more info: did you set the id of the 9 gb scsi drive to another id and if so which? What was your original scsi 2 gb id and what is the id of your cd-rom, if it's scsi? Where in the string of termination did you place your 9 gb hd? Usually XPF recognizes the other install and allows you to boot it. Did you follow CCC instructions OK? I tried to be creative once and wound up just creating an unbootable system. If you let it do its thing automatically it should work. I copied from a scsi to an ata hd since I was not able to install directly to my ata hd on a 9600 pm. |
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RE: Carbon Copy Cloner on unsupported machine |
October, 25, 2003 12:00 PM |
nick.ashton |
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What program did you use to partition the new drive. You really need to use the Drive Setup utility from OS 9 to guarantee that a bootable partition map is created. If you used OS X Disk Utility make sure you checked the "Install OS 9 Drivers" option but even this isn't sure to create a bootable drive. The only 3rd party utility that is fully OS X boot compatible is Intech's Hard Disk Speedtools. |