ATTO ExpressPCI Pro SCSI |
August, 10, 2002 1:33 PM |
Tony.Scaminaci |
Hey Britney, Did you ever receive that ATTO card you ordered? If so, have you figured out what firmware version is in it? My 9500 is down right now. Still trying to get it to boot off anything. Please keep me posted on your findings. Thanks, Tony |
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RE: ATTO ExpressPCI Pro SCSI |
August, 24, 2002 4:03 PM |
owc842 |
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I couldn't get OS X to boot off of the internal 68 pin connector on a 1.66 flashed ATTO PSC SCSI card. I finally got it working by putting one drive with SCSI ID 1 on the first connector on the cable, and the boot disk with SCSI ID 0 at the end. Neither of the interfaces between the cable and the 80 pin SCA Ultra/Wide drives are terminated. I tried using a terminated interface, but it wouldn't boot OS X at all when connected on the end, and it would freeze half way through the boot process when placed on the first connector. ATTO's manual says that the last device should be terminated. It appears that the 1.66 firmware has given the card the ability to terminate drives connected to it. |
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RE: ATTO ExpressPCI Pro SCSI |
August, 13, 2002 10:20 PM |
Tony.Scaminaci |
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Acccording to Britney, Apple's OS X Firmware updater works fine on the ExpressPCIPro PSC card. The mistake I made was flashing over the Apple firmware with ATTO firmware version 1.66f. Now I can't boot into the OS X installer using any partition connected to the 68-pin connector (which is where my fast, wide Ultra SCSI IBM drive belongs). However, there is no problem with the ATTO card or the drive connected to the 68-pin connector under OS 9. Ryan's given me a few things to try with jumper settings on the drive that may need to be adjusted with the ATTO firmware installed. I could also try using the 68->50 pin converter that came with the drive to plug it into the 50-pin connector. The downside of this is that I'd lose the fast 16-bit wide benefit of this drive and would be back down to the narrow 8-bit mode. |
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RE: ATTO ExpressPCI Pro SCSI |
August, 13, 2002 9:38 PM |
mjoecups358 |
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I use the ATTO Express PCI PSC? Is there a new firmware update that causes this? I used the original Apple updater on it (I think) and it's worked fine for a long time... Three Ultra wide drives including a two drive striped array of 9 gigs. I would avoid a new firmware update. Marty |
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RE: ATTO ExpressPCI Pro SCSI |
August, 12, 2002 2:11 PM |
mbaulez |
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Just for information : I have an IBM Ultra Wide attached on a 50 pin connector -internal bus - (with 68/50 adaptator) and I can boot on in Mac Os X 1.5 and on Mac Os 9.1 |
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RE: ATTO ExpressPCI Pro SCSI |
August, 12, 2002 2:00 PM |
owc842 |
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I have the same ATTO flashed card. My Ultra Wide drives won't boot on the 8 bit 50 pin connector, but they will boot when correctly attached to the 16 bit 68 pin connector. I suspect that 8 bit Narrow, Fast and Ultra drives won't work on the 16 bit connector. What disk drive do you have? |
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RE: ATTO ExpressPCI Pro SCSI |
August, 12, 2002 11:37 AM |
Tony.Scaminaci |
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Ryan, I've emailed the requested info to you. For those of you on the list, here's the boot strings from XPF2.2b16: /pci1/ATTO,ExpressPCIPro/@0,0:6 (working OS X, 50-pin connector) /pci1/ATTO,ExpressPCIPro/@4,0:7 (non-booting drive, 68-pin connector) The number after the "@" is the SCSI ID of the drive. The number after the ":" is the Unix partition number (generally assigned in order as they were created). Not sure what the 0 is after the ",". Tony |
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RE: ATTO ExpressPCI Pro SCSI |
August, 12, 2002 10:03 AM |
OSXGuru |
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One thing that I'm not sure about is how the "dual bus" system works for naming devices in Open Firmware. It is possible that XPostFacto is getting the Open Firmware name for the 50-pin bus correct, but not using the correct naming convention for the 68-pin bus. You could check this out in the following way. Use XPostFacto to select a drive on the 68-pin bus as the drive to install to. Don't both trying the install--just note what XPostFacto lists as the boot-device setting for the drive. Then boot into Mac OS X on the drive that works. Once you get there, run the ioreg command in the terminal, and e-mail the output to me. I should be able to figure out from that whether XPF is getting the boot-device setting right when you try to boot from the 68-pin bus. |
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RE: ATTO ExpressPCI Pro SCSI |
August, 11, 2002 11:08 PM |
g2 |
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your situation is interesting, Tony, because I am having no success in booting from a Miles2 LVD SCSI card nor the Apple/Adaptec 2940U2B card, both with 68-pin connections. coincidence?... I think not! |
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RE: ATTO ExpressPCI Pro SCSI |
August, 11, 2002 9:32 PM |
Tony.Scaminaci |
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I've isolated the problem caused by the ATTO firmware update. This card has two internal connectors, a 50-pin and a 68-pin. Drives attached to the 50-pin connector (narrow 8-bit SCSI) are fine with OS X and XPF. However, drives attached to the 68-pin (wide, 16-bit Ultra SCSI) connector will not boot into OS X nor will they boot into the OS X installer. I don't think this problem is unique to using XPF as the boot tool - I tried Sonnet's Startup Disk X (part of Sonnet's commercial installer) and it didn't work either. I think that the incompatiblity is between the OS X Bootloader and the ATTO firmware communicating through the 68-pin connector. Interestingly enough, if you boot OS X from a drive on the 50-pin connector, all of the drives on the 68-pin connector will show up in OS X's Finder. The problem is strictly a boot issue and only at the 68-pin connector. The bottom line is, don't flash your ExpressPCI card that shipped with Apple's OEM firmware using ATTO's firmware upgrades if you intend to use the 68-pin wide SCSI connector on the board. If your drives are the older, narrow SCSI standard using the 50-pin connector, you'll be fine. I'm wondering if anything can be done now that I've flashed this card. Ryan, is there any sort of modification that can be made to XPF or BootX to allow communication with the 68-pin connector during boot? Ben's been working on a "flashback:-)" to Apple's OEM firmware but it hasn't been verified to work yet. |
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RE: ATTO ExpressPCI Pro SCSI |
August, 10, 2002 8:00 PM |
Tony.Scaminaci |
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Britney, Well... once you flash with ATTO's firmware, you can't go back to Apple's. The updater says that I don't have any flashable cards intalled because it sees the card as an ATTO OEM card :-( Ben Ralston, are you out there? You patched the Apple firmware updater to install ATTO's. Think you can fool this Apple updater to recognize the ATTO name string as a flashable card? This may be the only solution left for me. Tony |
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RE: ATTO ExpressPCI Pro SCSI |
August, 10, 2002 7:50 PM |
Tony.Scaminaci |
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Britney, Got the updater. Will give it a try in a few minutes. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Tony |
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RE: ATTO ExpressPCI Pro SCSI |
August, 10, 2002 7:42 PM |
Tony.Scaminaci |
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The "Apple53C875Card" name shown in ASP is the correct name for the Apple OEM card. I think that your problem might be incorrect SCSI termination. I've got mine setup this way. ATTO Card - no termination needed, it's built in. The last connector on my 68- pin ribbon cable plugs into the ATTO card. Active termination at the last SCSI device on the chain. In my case, the last device is the sole drive on this bus. I connected the second-to-last connector on the ribbon cable to the drive, and the last connector has the terminator plugged in. The terminator doesn't have to be active, but I prefer it to get the last bit or performance out of the bus. Also, there are two LED's on the card itself. If you are properly terminated for all 16 bits (wide SCSI), both LED's will be lit. If you're using a narrow device (8-bit bus), then only LED2 should be lit for proper termination. If neither LED is lit, you have termination problems. Check into this and let us know what you find. Tony |
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RE: ATTO ExpressPCI Pro SCSI |
August, 10, 2002 7:33 PM |
brfransen |
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Ok the link is still bad. The forum software is putting spaces when the link wraps lines. So just cut and paste this: http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Soft ware_Updates/English-North_American/Macintosh/System/Mac _OS_X/MacOS_X_SCSICard_Updater.smi.bin Britney |
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RE: ATTO ExpressPCI Pro SCSI |
August, 10, 2002 7:31 PM |
brfransen |
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Sorry about the bad link. Try this. An edit feature would be really nice. Britney |
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RE: ATTO ExpressPCI Pro SCSI |
August, 10, 2002 7:28 PM |
brfransen |
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Problem solved!! I think. I haven't tested weather a drive connected to the ATTO is bootable yet, but the drives are mounting. What I did was find the last firmware upgrade that Apple did for this card, installed it, rebooted and the drives mounted. Tony, I was thinking that this may work for you to revert your card to the Apple firmware. I found it here. Britney |
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RE: ATTO ExpressPCI Pro SCSI |
August, 10, 2002 6:51 PM |
brfransen |
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Well, zapping the PRAM did nothing. Next... |
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RE: ATTO ExpressPCI Pro SCSI |
August, 10, 2002 6:19 PM |
brfransen |
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Tony, Actually I just received it today but am having serious headaches with it. ASP in 9 identifies its Card Name as "Apple53C875Card" and Card Model as "NCR,875". On to the headaches. I have not been able to get any drive connected to the ATTO to mount. In fact the drive is not even shown on the bus according to both SCSI Probe 5.2 and ATTO's ExpressPro Tools. I have connected drives to both internal connectors (50 pin & 68 pin), nothing. I even moved my 9 boot drive to the ATTO and disconnected every thing else, no boot just the question mark disk. I am about to zap the PRAM as I just realized that I had not done that yet but other than that I am out of ideas. The card physically is in great shape but you never can tell I guess. The way that this card identifies itself in ASP is different than what others have posted. Do you think that maybe I have an older Apple firmware? Any other ideas out there? Thanks, Britney |
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