Help! Radeon 7K black display during boot. |
September, 15, 2002 1:27 AM |
avaughs |
I have just installed 10.1.5 using XPF using an Apple OEM IMS TwinTurbo 8 (TT8). Everything works fine, just the graphics are a bit slow. Got a Radeon 7000 (Rad 7k) card and installed the bundled drivers (using TT8 card). Powered down and plugged in Radeon 7K. Display is black until blue screen appears (even when booting in verbose mode). Installed latests drivers from the ATI website (radeon-0207). Same black screen during boot only this time I have a spining multicolor disk in the upper left corner of screen. It doesn't move across the screen but just remains in place spinning. I deleted the ATI Radeon files (directories) from /System/Library/Extensions. Booted back into OS 9 and ran ATI ROM Update (ATI_ROM_09-01) while using the Rad7K card. Swapped cards (re-installed TT8) and re-installed the radeon-0207 drivers. Did not run ATI Part 2 (located in the ATI Utilities folder). Swapped cards and black screen during boot and spinning color disk in upper left corner return. Argh! I copied the "ATI ROM Xtender" file to /System/Library/Exentions/AppleNDRV directory. I even made a copy of that file named "ATIROMXtender" in the same directory. Don't know what effect either of these files have if any. A few questions: 1) How do I get the display to work during boot? 2) How do I get ride of the spinning color disk? 3) What is ATI Part 2? 4) How do I find out what version of ROM is installed on the Rad7K card? |
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Enabling pci2 |
September, 25, 2002 5:31 AM |
lars |
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oops. I RTFM'ed (man nvram) and saw the light: sudo nvram output-device="pci2/ATY,RV100Parent/ATY,RV100ad_A" sudo nvram input-device="kbd" |
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RE: Help! Radeon 7K black display during boot. |
September, 25, 2002 3:51 AM |
mbaulez |
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Thank's Lars but that does not work : I obtain for the two sudo commands__ nvram: Error (-1) getting variable - 'input-device:kbd' and __ nvram: Error (-1) getting variable - 'output-device:pci2/ATY,RV100Parent/ATY,RV100ad_A' I have tried before without < : >after input-device and output-device because I have seen these < : > in the configuration of Xposfacto' input and output device |
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RE: Help! Radeon 7K black display during boot. |
September, 24, 2002 4:02 AM |
lars |
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doh, sudo nvram oinput-device kbd should be sudo nvram input-device kbd |
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RE: Help! Radeon 7K black display during boot. |
September, 24, 2002 4:01 AM |
lars |
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I would assume: sudo nvram output-device pci2/ATY,RV100Parent/ATY,RV100ad_A Should do the trick, mbaulez if your display is connecvted to the VGA connector. Otherwise: sudo nvram output-device pci2/ATY,RV100Parent/ATY,RV100ad_B for DVI display. Don't forget to: sudo nvram oinput-device kbd to enable the keyboard. Please post your success or failure |
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RE: Help! Radeon 7K black display during boot. |
September, 19, 2002 12:39 PM |
mbaulez |
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I mean pci D2, of course. |
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RE: Help! Radeon 7K black display during boot. |
September, 19, 2002 12:37 PM |
mbaulez |
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Radeon 7k is on pci C2 on my 9500 Can you just write what to prompt in terminal before rebooting in Mac Os 9? |
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the Final Chapter... |
September, 17, 2002 1:15 AM |
avaughs |
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I'd like to start by saying thanks to all who offered help, esp. Lars. Everything is working great! Following the instructions provided is this forum (this thread and the "HowTo: Radeon 7000 BootX display" thread), I was able to configure my system to boot and used the Radeon 7000 Mac Edition card as the primary display. It even works with VRAM installed in the Built-In video slots with not monitor attached to the slot. Also, the spinning colorized disk is gone! The following steps assume the only video card (Radeon 7000 ME) is located in the left most PCI slot marked C1 (its the one farthest from the CPU module). Step 1 - Program the "address" of the video card and port into NVRAM - From an admin account type the followin at the terminal (using the Terminal application) prompt> sudo nvram output-device pci1/ATY,RV100Parent/ATY,RV100ad_A Step 2 - Reboot into Mac os 9.x - Reboot into Mac OS 9.x and start the XPostFacto application. Step 3 - XPostFacto Settings - Set "input-device" to kbd and "output-device" to "ATY,RV100ad_A" Step 5 - Power On and Enjoy! - Restart the system after it boots up into OS9 and using the XPostFacto button restart to bring up OSX. Step 4 - Enjoy - Watch the grey boot screen, the blank blue screen and the white rectangle until the log in prompt appears! Yeah! |
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3 out of 4 aint bad |
September, 16, 2002 4:25 AM |
lars |
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1) see the new thread: HowTo: Radeon 7000 BootX display 2) Upgrade to Jaguar. 3) sorry, don't know. As I use Jaguar, ATI says to not install current posted drivers, as included OSX drivers are newer. 4) Install developer Tools. Open IORegistryExplorer and go to: IODeviceTree:Root:device-tree:bandit@F2000000:ATY,RV100Parent@F (F is for slot C1, bandit is the chip that handles the pci bus in my 8600. Your machine will be different) The point is that the ATY,RV100Parent node holds things like the ATY,Fcode and ATY,Rom# which look like a version number and a Rom buil serial number. The card itself has a serialnumber entry in there too.. My Radeon 7000 is in slot C1. I do not know if pci1 refers to that, or to perhaps it being on PCI bus #1. if you don't want to go back to 9 (Stay Pure!): nvram output-device="pci1/ATY,RV100Parent/ATY,RV100ad_A" reboot for glorious Grey Apple! Yeah Baby! Don't forget to set input-device to kbd or you won't be able to type commands if you decide to go to open firmware... Thanks to Ryan for creating XPostFacto, and nick.ashton for his posts on ioreg |
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RE: Help! Radeon 7K black display during boot. |
September, 15, 2002 4:41 PM |
gte950h |
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I used a similar method to get my IMS TT128 card to work properly, prehaps you should try it. I would boot with the monitor on the onboard video, and let it get to the point it mounts the partitions, then I would switch the monitor from onboard to the PCI card. After about 2-3 minutes, the blue screen would appear on the PCI output, and the onboard was no longer used. -b |
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Some Answers- Radeon 7000 & PMac 7500 Combo |
September, 15, 2002 4:17 PM |
avaughs |
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I ran some tests and reached some conclusions. Answer to Question 2 It looks like the spinning color disk is due to the lack of a Macintosh Adapter monitor being attached to the system. I ran several tests with a couple of PCI video cards (OEM IMS TwinTurbo 8, Radeon 7000) and the built in video. When a monitor was attached to the built in video port (with or without VRAM installed) and a PCI video card was installed with a monitor attached to it as well, I didn't get the spinning disk in the upper left corner. *** Always have a monitor attached to a Mac video port. *** Answer to Question 3 The "ATI Part 2" file seems to be an installer that is automatically run by the main installer. Don't have clear answers to questions 1 & 4. If you do, please post it here. Observations: When I was running my tests, I noticed that a monitor attached to Radeon 7000 would go into sync and then go out of sync 2-4 seconds later during the boot process. At the same time, the monitor attached to the Mac video port would display the Grey Boot Screen (the one with the Apple Logo in the center). If there was VRAM associated with the monitor attached to the Mac video port, the Rectangular White Screen and subsequent Login Window whould appear on that display. When the white Rectangle showed up, the monitor attached to the Radeon would go into sync. If there was not any VRAM (ie the built in display card), the white Rectangle and Login screen would appear on the Radeon 7000. At that time, the Mac video port monitor would go out of sync if there was not VRAM behind it (again, the built in display card). |
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RE: Help! Radeon 7K black display during boot. |
September, 15, 2002 1:11 PM |
avaughs |
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One more thing. The "ATI ROM Xtender" is installed by the radeon-0206.hqx Mac OS X installer (version 1.1.2) and version 1.1.3 is installed by the adeon-0207.hqx file. This file is installed in the /System/Library/Extensions/ AppleNDRV directory. The drivers supplied on the encluded CD-ROM don't work for me in 10.1.5. The last two versions definitely speed up moving windows around the desktop. Srolling and Resizing are still slow, however. I guess I'll need a faster CPU to speed those operations. |
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RE: Help! Radeon 7K black display during boot. |
September, 15, 2002 1:05 PM |
avaughs |
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I have removed all of the built in video's VRAM. Still get a blank screen on boot. Sympton 1: The monitor receives some kind of signal at boot/reboot then the signal goes away. No image is ever discernable, however, until the last stages of the boot process (the blue screen with the white panel listing status of the various services as they are started). Sympton 2: Spinning multi-color disk in upper left corner of the screen at default cursor's location. This disk is separate from the Arrow cursor which is visiable and perfectly functioning. Set the VGA to Mac monitor adapter to fixed frequency (Apple 21" Color Monitor, 1152 x 870), still get the symptoms above. I've moved the Radeon 7000 Mac Edition to the A1 PCI slot (closest to Power Supply and CPU card). I still get the symptons above. Both symptons appear with and without VRAM install in built in video slots. |
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RE: Help! Radeon 7K black display during boot. |
September, 15, 2002 10:58 AM |
mbaulez |
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Try to put radeon on the first slot A1 |
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RE: Help! Radeon 7K black display during boot. |
September, 15, 2002 2:32 AM |
mjoecups358 |
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Usually when I have seen the black screen on power up you describe it is due to the video being in a mode that is incompatible with the monitor I am using. I have a number of freebie fixed frequency big screens. If you have a video dongle that will force the Radeon into a good mode for you (ie 1024*768 75Hz) you can try that and see if it helps. of course, this might be a side affect of having the built in video in the 7500. Maybe you could pull the vram off the 7500 logic board? Just thinking out loud here. Good luck, Marty |
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RE: Help! Radeon 7K black display during boot. |
September, 15, 2002 1:32 AM |
avaughs |
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My system details: pre-G3: PowerMac 7500 PCI Slot A1: USB Card PCI Slot B1: FireWire Card PCI Slot C1: Radeon 7000 or Apple OEM IMS Twin Turbo 8 (8MB) Monitor: 19" VGA ViewSonic monitor (used w/o adapter with Radeon card used with Liberty Adapter with Twin Turn 8 card) XLR8 Carrier with 300MHz G3 1MB L2 at 150MHz 256MB RAM not interleaved 2GB SCSI HD ID 0 Mac OS 9 4GB SCSI HD ID 1 Mac OS 10.1.5 |