Sonnet800 and L2CacheConfig 3.4 or something |
October, 20, 2002 10:53 PM |
jslewis |
I was wondering if there were any plans to make L2CacheConfig support the Sonnet 800 card. L2Cache config has been my most reliable software for enabling any upgrade card I had before the Sonnet 800. I can use the powerlogix software to enable it but memory benchmarks like CHUD tool's Cache Basher make me think the L2 isn't enabled right (limited to just under 800MB/s) Sonnet's software is driving me batty. I'm trying to think of a well worded question for sonnet's support but the software is so screwy I don't know where to begin. I can rarely boot with it enabled (Kernal Panics). It's installer overwrites some XpostFacto extentions. When I get OSX to boot with it enabled it's Cache Basher numbers are real good though. |
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RE: Sonnet800 and L2CacheConfig 3.4 or something |
November, 02, 2002 12:53 AM |
chibi_delenn |
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marcush, I'm using Cache Control X 2.1b4. Sorry, I keep calling it Profiler out of habit haha. I finally got 10.2 working, and had the same problem I did befor with Cache Control X 2.1b4, and finally found out why. It seems that Cache Control X 2.1b4 requires you to install it for each user while logged in as that user (if you have 8 user accounts, you'll need to install it EIGHT TIMES). Ugh. What kind of BS is that? Once I did that though, it worked like a charm. And as to my 10.2 bootup problem, it's GONE. It seems that the combination of the Radeon PCI 32 MB DDR (not the 7000 card) + my XLR8 CarrierZIF with OWC G3/333 (@400) was causing the hangup. Now with this sonnet G4/800, the reboots after install are awesome. OS X IS FINALLY USEABLE!! :) :) :) :) Now if I could just snag a USB printer or figure out how to share my PC's printer, I'd be set :) - Chibi Delennâ„¢ |
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RE: Sonnet800 and L2CacheConfig 3.4 or something |
November, 01, 2002 9:49 PM |
marcush |
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Are you using Cache Profiler X or Cache Control X? Cache Profiler is obsolete and had been discontinued for awhile. It was replaced by Cache Profiler X. If you are using Cache Profiler X then that is definitely the source of the problem you have. Please clarify which Powerlogix cache enabler you are using. |
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RE: Sonnet800 and L2CacheConfig 3.4 or something |
November, 01, 2002 8:49 PM |
chibi_delenn |
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Well, I've run into a funny problem myself with the Sonnet G4/800 card for my mac in 10.1.5 at least. I installed Ryan's L2 cache config and that seems to run the internal cache properly (L2 @ 800), and the Powerlogix profiler X worked as well, for that bootup/session. But when I rebooted, the PL software would show "probing L3 cache" and would fail to properly load the .kext and thus wouldn't enable the cache, nor would it work when I launched the cache profiler X app itself. I mean, with the L2 working, os x is still faster than my old G3/400, but ugh, I need that L3 as it makes a *huge* difference in the UI responsiveness. I'll be really grateful once Ryan comes out with integrated Sonnet G4/ 800 (and 700 now that it is out as well) support. Now if I could just get 10.2 to friggin' BOOT after installing... (that'll be in a different thread ;) ) - Chibi Delenn™ |
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RE: Sonnet800 and L2CacheConfig 3.4 or something |
October, 31, 2002 9:57 PM |
egonzales21 |
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Decided to join the group. Downloaded Sonnet Tuneup and installed after removing L2cache and PL cache enabler. As noted the Sonnet software loads very early in the boot process thus making this process very fast. Bootup almost 3X faster it seems. Only problem was that I could not launch classic after installing the Sonnet software. I booted back into 9 and reloaded the XPostfacto extensions. Everything fine again. Up 36 hourse without any hiccups. Sonnet cache enabler a winner thus far. |
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RE: Sonnet800 and L2CacheConfig 3.4 or something |
October, 30, 2002 7:42 PM |
jslewis |
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I think Sonnet is going to get better with their software. I really do like the 800Mhz card. I agree with john england that the sonnet software enables all caches and is very quick. It loads earlier in startup than any other cache enabler. I wanted to point out that you can install the cache enabler just by DLing and installing their OSX tune up. It doesn't cost a thing It's not their pay per deal but almost kind of an update for that. |
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RE: Sonnet800 and L2CacheConfig 3.4 or something |
October, 30, 2002 4:06 PM |
john.england |
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Actually the Sonnet software, though a paid expense as compared to free, is really good. It enables all the caches and it VERY quick. |
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RE: Sonnet800 and L2CacheConfig 3.4 or something |
October, 29, 2002 9:13 AM |
egonzales21 |
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Follow up on this subject. Using Sonnet G4800 in 7500 with 768 ram. Now using both Ryan's L2 cache and PowerLogix 2.1b4 enablers. Seems to be working fine. The system appears faster when I added the L2 enabler. It does seem that the PowerLogix enabler does not do anything for the L2 cache but only the L3 cache. Still curious to compare this setup with Sonnet's software but it seems to cause more harm than good from what everybody else is saying. |
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RE: Sonnet800 and L2CacheConfig 3.4 or something |
October, 24, 2002 5:39 PM |
jslewis |
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I found one problem with using Ryan & Powerlogix's cache enablers. I can't copy files from an IDE drive attached to an Acard-ATA-66 card to a firewrie drive attached to a tango card. If I disable the L3 I can. If I don't disable the L3 the computer will crash hard. Different bandit chips control both cards on a 9500, i.e. one card is in the upper three PCI slots while the other is in the lower three. Sonnets software does not have this problem but still has plenty of others that clearly outweigh this problem IMHO. PowerLogix sets the L3CR to 0x8F024300 while the Sonnet's software sets the L3CR to 0x8F020300. |
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RE: Sonnet800 and L2CacheConfig 3.4 or something |
October, 23, 2002 2:58 PM |
marcush |
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Well, I'm convinced. I'm using Photoshop 7 and FCP 3.02 also, as well as various games such as Quake III, UT, and Return to Castle Wolfenstein. |
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RE: Sonnet800 and L2CacheConfig 3.4 or something |
October, 23, 2002 2:42 PM |
jslewis |
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FCP 3.02 for teachers. If something is wrong it will let you know through misbehavior. It hasen't. It renders, captures does RT stuff just fine with the upgrade. I haven't been playing too many games. Just a little Worms in classic and Ottomatic. The sad thing is I have a copy of Warcraft 3 on the shelf but have not played it. For everyone having boot trouble with anything and the sonnet 800 I'd recomend ditching the SonnetCache.kext, reinstalling XpostFacto's extensions and installing Ryan's CacheConfig + Powerlogix's software. It's a world of diffrence. |
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RE: Sonnet800 and L2CacheConfig 3.4 or something |
October, 23, 2002 10:58 AM |
marcush |
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What kind of apps have you been running. Video, 3D Games, etc.? |
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RE: Sonnet800 and L2CacheConfig 3.4 or something |
October, 23, 2002 8:58 AM |
jslewis |
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After using it for a few days it seems absolutely fine to have Ryan's L2 cache config and powerlogix's Cache Control both running the diffrent caches on the Sonnet 800 card. Totally stable so far with some fairly demanding programs. |
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RE: Sonnet800 and L2CacheConfig 3.4 or something |
October, 21, 2002 10:46 AM |
marcush |
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Actually, I'll expand on that a bit. I prefer the Cache Control X because you it gives you a visual confirmation that the caches are enabled. I'd rather have visual confirmation and the ability to change the cache ratio if I need to when troubleshooting. |
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RE: Sonnet800 and L2CacheConfig 3.4 or something |
October, 21, 2002 10:45 AM |
marcush |
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Good point. I simply prefer the Powerlogix software. |
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RE: Sonnet800 and L2CacheConfig 3.4 or something |
October, 21, 2002 8:08 AM |
jslewis |
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What more would you like to hear from me? Right now all I can say is that Powerlogix + L2CacheEnabler appears to work. I just started to use them togather last night so I can't delare them safe or stable. If the sonnet thing is working and stable for you why replace it? |
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RE: Sonnet800 and L2CacheConfig 3.4 or something |
October, 21, 2002 2:57 AM |
marcush |
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I have the Sonnet TuneUp installed and have XpostFacto installed over it. If I look in /System/Library/Extensions/ I do see the SonnetCache.kext in there. I've never used the Sonnet installer so I can't comment on that. I have often wondered what the Sonnet TuneUp is doing though. I prefer to use Powerlogix Cache Control X but was never sure if the L2 cache had been enabled. The idea of running L2cache config and Cache Control X sounds interesting since jslewis says that it appears stable. I'd like to hear more from jslewis before trying this myself though. I'll throw in my request for a new version of L2cache config for L3 caches too. |
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RE: Sonnet800 and L2CacheConfig 3.4 or something |
October, 21, 2002 12:27 AM |
jslewis |
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I should have tried a few things before coming to these forums and posting. I had told XPostFacto to reinstall extensions, this does overwrite the extraneous sonnet extensions. Regardless of that and a lot of other things I tried the system was just unstable with the SonnetCache.kext installed. What I learned with some experimentation is that L2CacheEnabler will enable the L2 for The Sonnet 800 card just fine. The GrabL2Setting app gets a value of 0x80000000 from a 9.1 system enabled with sonnet software. L2Cache config thinks this means that there is 2MB of Writeback L2 but appears to enable the L2 just fine. The CPU preference pane from CHUD tools also mis-identifies the L2 as 2MB. L2CacheConfig does not enable the L3. Power Logix's 2.1b4 software does enable the L3 but not the L2. Oddly you can run powerlogix's Software and L2cache config at the same time. It appears stable at first glance but I'll report back here if it isn't. The throughput numbers for the 800 card are awesome moving stuff in the L2. Awesome like 2,000+ MB/s! I did not think anything like that could be done on our 60x bus computers. |
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RE: Sonnet800 and L2CacheConfig 3.4 or something |
October, 20, 2002 11:45 PM |
OSXGuru |
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There have been reports in other threads about people installing Sonnet TuneUp and then reinstalling XPostFacto, in order to get the Sonnet cache enabler. It seems to work. When the 800 MHz G4 card came out, I didn't originally think that it was very urgent to get L2CacheConfig to work with it. But a fair number of people have been asking for it, so I'll rethink that. What I'm planning to do is integrate L2 cache support into XPostFacto for version 3. The earliest that is likely to be out is January--at least, I'm aiming for January at this point--it's hard to know whether that is going to slip or not. |
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RE: Sonnet800 and L2CacheConfig 3.4 or something |
October, 20, 2002 11:24 PM |
egonzales21 |
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Probably a silly question but here it goes. Has anyone tried to make only the Sonnet cache enabler available so that no one has to try installing the Sonnet TuneUp just to get to that one piece of software. The Sonnet TuneUp can be downloaded by anyone for free not just by the people who bought their installer. or Has anyone tried installing the TuneUp and then reinstall XPostFacto extensions hopefully leaving the Sonnet cache enabler intact as well as ones system stable. Currently using PowerLogix 2.1b4 with SonnetG4800. One wonders if the L2 cache is working since the software onyl reports the status of the L3 cache. |