OS X 10.2 won't boot from OWC 37 Gig drive |
November, 21, 2002 1:12 PM |
dsabath |
There was a thread back on October on this topic, but there was no resolution, so I thought I'd chime in again. I just got a 36.7 gig IBM UltraStar 73LZX SCSI drive from OWC (part number OWC07N6286N) for my PM7500 (now with PowerLogix G3/400), and it is recognized just fine both in MacOS 9 and with Jaguar. I used Carbon Copy Cloner to clone Jaguar from a 9 gig drive to the new drive after initializing it with Jaguar's Disk Utility (including writing MacOS 9 disk drivers). However, I cannot boot into Jaguar from the new drive. The error message that appears at booting is something about no bootable HFS partition. I had a similar problem some time ago that was solved by using MacOS 9's Disk Utility to initialize the drive. However, for reasons that I do not understand, the MacOS 9 Drive Setup says it can't initialize this drive, nor will it write disk drivers to the drive, thus I'm stuck. The only thing I haven't tried is reinstalling Jaguar using XPF. However, I expect I still won't be able to boot from this drive even if I try. Any suggestions? Dan |
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RE: OS X 10.2 won't boot from OWC 37 Gig drive |
December, 10, 2002 8:23 PM |
OSXGuru |
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One post mentioned the "no bootable HFS partition" message. This is something which you can cure by reformatting your drive with Drive Setup in Mac OS 9.x, or Intech's Hard Disk SpeedTools. (Actually, sometimes just choosing "Erase Drive" in the Finder is enough). The problem is that some formatting utilities create an HFS+ filesystem with no HFS wrapper, and this can cause problems booting. |
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RE: OS X 10.2 won't boot from OWC 37 Gig drive |
December, 04, 2002 11:53 AM |
mjoecups358 |
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jeez this must be the stupidest thread ever! |
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RE: OS X 10.2 won't boot from OWC 37 Gig drive |
December, 02, 2002 8:25 PM |
sprocketworks |
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I have been doing some testing, and I although I have a completely different configuration from you guys, I have run into some simialr problems. I beleive I have narrowed the problem down to 2 issues. The IDE card and the drive or IDE card and an IDE CD ROM DRIVE. Basically with an ACARD 66 - I can not get it to work reliably with a an IDE CD-RW/DVD drive (both Samsung and Toshiba ones randomly froze my machine.) I tested the HD and CD-RW in every concievable configuration - slave master, master slave, different channels, cable select - all the same problem. Now in the testing phase, I could not get the computer to boot with the CD Drive hooked up. With it detached, no problem. The second issue might be that the IDE card itself might not be able to handle large formatted drives. I have not fully tested this out - as the time it would take would blow my mind - but I could not get the machine to boot up with 1 80 gig parition. (OS 10.2) However, after making 4 20 gig paritions (using Apple's disk utility) the computer booted OK with Xpost 2.2.4. Try paritioning the drive and see if 10.2 won't boot for you. Hope this helps a little. Doug PS. What kind of IDE card are you using? If this is a SCSI drive whoops-- but try partitioning the drive anyway and see if that changes anything. Doug |
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RE: OS X 10.2 won't boot from OWC 37 Gig drive |
November, 30, 2002 12:07 PM |
loucasa |
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Well, I never managed to get OS X installed on the 37 GB drive, but I moved everything from the 4 GB onto it and installed X onto the 4 GB (using the format option in the installer), and I am smiling today! Writing this from IE 5.2.2 and OS X 10.2.2. I'll still look for a way to migrate the system over to the larger disk, but for now I'm content. Regards, Lou |
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RE: OS X 10.2 won't boot from OWC 37 Gig drive |
November, 29, 2002 2:51 PM |
loucasa |
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Update: Reinstalling the 604, pressing the CUDA button, starting up & shutting down, reinstalling the G3, pressing the CUDA and restarting had no effect on my inability to boot into 10.2. By the way, I had been starting up with autostart off as well as verbose mode on. I turned autostart back on and still got the same message. I have also played around with the throttle setting, and get one of two messages: either the same one as before (generally at lower settings) or "no bootable HFS partition" at higher throttle settings. One question I have about the install volume: is it okay to have an OS 9 folder on the volume while installing X? I put a base install on the drive to use as my classic mode system (while maintaining my full OS 9 system on my 4 GB drive in case I need to boot into it). Now I'm thinking that I should just install X onto the 4 GB drive and keep all my apps and docs on the 37 GB. Is this a viable strategy, or am I begging for [more] trouble? Thanks again, Lou |
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RE: OS X 10.2 won't boot from OWC 37 Gig drive |
November, 29, 2002 8:47 AM |
loucasa |
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I have virtually the same setup as you--OWC 37 gig drive on a 7300 upgraded with a PowerLogix 350 MHz G3 and 400 MB RAM (2X128+4X32+16). I am also unable to boot into 10.2 on the drive. I did purchase the $15 Hard Disk SpeedTools and used it to update the driver on the drive (I'd rather not completely reformat the drive since I had it about a month before getting Jaguar and have already loaded it up!). Now, after running XPostFacto 2.2.4, selecting the drive as the install drive, when the computer restarts (in verbose mode) I get the message "can't open scsi-int/@0:3" (scsi-int/@0:3 is the 37 gig drive). My only option is to type "bye" and restart in 9.2.2 (on my original 4 gig drive). I've played around with my physical configuration for the past 2 days with no success. The 37 GB drive is at SCSI 0, the 4 GB is at 1, and my internal CD-R is at 3. The CD-R was originally terminated, but it's the first device on the bus, so it appears to me that it shouldn't be. It makes no difference though at this point. I have alternated between having the 4 and 37 at the end of the chain, terminated properly, and there is no difference (I can't physically put the HDs first). I have tried the "Disable Unit Attention" on both drives. I have tried it with and without my PCI USB and FireWire cards. The only other thing I haven't tried is playing around with RAM, which I'm saving until I can find out if the message above could indicate a RAM problem. I saw on another thread that sometimes rebooting once with the original 604 in place, then again with the upgrade card could work. I might try that if I don't get a response in the next few hours and I'll post the results. Thanks for any help you can give, Lou |
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RE: Sqeeking Noise |
November, 23, 2002 5:26 PM |
fuzzball |
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Yes the little kritter noise is normal. Got one of them there little creatures in my machine too. The drive is a high speed affair and is constantly realigning itself. Takes a bit of time to get used to. Try to think of it as cute instead of annoying....>:) |
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RE: OS X 10.2 WILL boot! |
November, 23, 2002 8:12 AM |
nct |
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>This required a clean install, but it works great. I'm glad to hear it's working for you, but now I'm left wondering why my machine wouldn't boot until I repartitioned my drive. Strange... /nct |
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RE: OS X 10.2 won't boot from OWC 37 Gig drive |
November, 23, 2002 7:02 AM |
alan |
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I have the OWC 36G U160 drive, which I think is the same one you guys are talking about. My drive makes this strange "squeeking noise" every 4-5 minutes. I have never heard this from a drive before, so I called OWC, and was told this was NORMAL, and that all of these drive did the same thing. Are any of you having this same noise? Is OWC on the up and up, or are we all just waiting on a drive faillure? |
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RE: OS X 10.2 WILL boot! |
November, 22, 2002 11:41 AM |
dsabath |
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In my original post, I mentioned that the one thing I hadn't tried was resinstalling Jaguar from the CD. Well, XPF + Jaguar CD = successful installation (as opposed to using Carbon Copy Cloner). This required a clean install, but it works great. Thanks to all who replied, and my apololgies for the waste of bandwidth. Dan |
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RE: OS X 10.2 won't boot from OWC 37 Gig drive |
November, 22, 2002 4:03 AM |
paul_findley |
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I think OWC sells an OEM version of HDST for a lot less than $60, for anyone who bought an OWC drive. $15 to be exact. |
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RE: OS X 10.2 won't boot from OWC 37 Gig drive |
November, 22, 2002 12:18 AM |
dsabath |
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This appears to be a case of me needing to RTFM. It appears that the solution will be formatting the drive with Hard Disk Toolkit--oh well, another $60--at least the drive was relatively inexpensive. Dan |
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RE: OS X 10.2 won't boot from OWC 37 Gig drive |
November, 21, 2002 9:22 PM |
nct |
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>In fact, no. I thought this problem had gone away with later versions of MacOS X. As I understand it, the problem is with the Old World firmware, which is way before OSX is involved. >I have already booted MacOS X 10.2 on a 9 gig disk (single >partition), so I don't think this is the problem. Then your mileage varies from mine. The reason I made the suggestion is that when I was trying to bring up my 7600, I forgot the 8GB rule, and tried to install it on a 9GB Seagate, and it would not boot until I partitioned the drive into a 6.5GB plus "the rest" config. Like I said, YMMV from mine, but you may want to check to see if your single partition really occupies the entire 9GB disk. Good luck. /nct |
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RE: OS X 10.2 won't boot from OWC 37 Gig drive |
November, 21, 2002 9:13 PM |
fuzzball |
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I also have the same drive in an 8600/G4-450 and had to get HDST to make it work. Works very well, right up to 10.2.2 One note: you do not need to follow the 8 gig limit for the OS X partition as this only applies to IDE drives. |
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works just fine for me! |
November, 21, 2002 6:01 PM |
naturist |
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I have essentially the exact same set up, and it works just fine for me, save that I can't get the 10.2.2 updater to update 10.2.0. I have a PM 7500, XLR8 Zif Carrier w/ a 400MHz OWC Zif. The new drive is currently an external SCSI drive on my external bus. I noted the mention somewhere here that Hard Disk Toolkit needed to be used to format the drive, and while I tried it first with the disk utility in 10.1.5, which would not work on that drive, I didn't try it w/ 10.2. I bought the $60 HDT, used it to format the drive, made two partitions, the first 7.9 Gb, the second "what was left," then cloned my OS X 10.1.5 partition to the new 7 Gb partition. After confirming that indeed the new drive worked just find as a boot drive, I used XPostFacto to run the Jaguar installer and update the newly created 10.1.5 boot partition. The installation was flawless, and I'm running 10.2.0 from it "even as we speak." |
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RE: OS X 10.2 won't boot from OWC 37 Gig drive |
November, 21, 2002 4:16 PM |
dsabath |
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At the risk of replying to myself, I have already booted MacOS X 10.2 on a 9 gig disk (single partition), so I don't think this is the problem. |
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RE: OS X 10.2 won't boot from OWC 37 Gig drive |
November, 21, 2002 4:15 PM |
dsabath |
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In fact, no. I thought this problem had gone away with later versions of MacOS X. Dan |
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RE: OS X 10.2 won't boot from OWC 37 Gig drive |
November, 21, 2002 3:36 PM |
nct |
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Sorry to ask an obvious question, but is your boot partition smaller than 8GB and within the first 8GB of the disk? /nct |