Booting from OS X 10.2 Install CD after Install |
January, 03, 2003 12:57 AM |
twoolley |
Two months ago I successfully installed OS X using XPostFacto 2.2.4 on my PowerTower Pro, Sonnet G4 800/Radeon 7000. Since then I have upgraded to 10.2.3 with no problems. I have also had no problems booting back and forth from OS 9.1 to OS X on separate partitions over this time, and everything runs smoothly on both systems. Now I would like to boot from the original OS X Jaguar install disk to run Disk Utility (not just to repair permissions) on the 8GB partition that holds OS X, but I find that I really don't know how to do it successfully. If I boot back to OS 9.1, then run XPF, it will not let me boot from the CD install disk. I select the CD option, choosing the OS X partition to install on. It reinstalls the BootX and extensions as if I am going to install Jaguar, then a message comes up and says that there is a problem with NVRAM and it can't proceed. I can mount the install disk in either system, and it is the same disk used for the original installation. I can still reboot back and forth between both systems using the recommended procedures, and both systems run well. So how do I properly boot from the OS X Jaguar disk to run Disk Utility? Am I supposed to select it from Startup Disk/System Preferences in OS X, not from XPF? I had thought that one was only supposed to use Startup Disk to boot in OS 9.x, not to another CD or partition using OS X. Any experiences/solutions will be appreciated. |
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January, 26, 2003 6:24 PM |
OSXGuru |
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You can use the Startup Disk preference pane in Mac OS X to boot to another Mac OS X disk, so long as it has the necessary kernel extensions etc. installed. So it won't work for the Mac OS X Install CD, but will work for a second hard drive, for instance. I'm planning to have XPostFacto 3.0 running in Mac OS X as well as Mac OS 9, which will simplify some situations like this one. |
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January, 21, 2003 6:35 AM |
kbata |
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You can boot to other OS X or OS 9 hard drives using the built in start up disk. The problem is going from OS 9 to OS X. Then you need to use XPF. I've never tried going from X to an OS X CD. |
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January, 21, 2003 4:30 AM |
twoolley |
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Thank you again, OSXGuru. I used XPF 2.2.5 last week and was able to boot the OS X install disk and finally run Disk Utility on my 10.2.3 partition. No repairs were required, so all this trouble was for naught. I have now installed a backup of OS X on another disk, so in the future I'll just boot from that to run Disk Utility on my main Jaguar startup partition. I am still wondering if one can boot to different OS X disks (or the install CD) from the current OS X startup disk through Startup Disk in System Preferences without first booting into OS 9.x, then running XPostFacto. I am aware that one cannot run Startup Disk from Control panels to boot OS X once booted in OS 9.x -XPostFacto is required to boot OS X from OS 9.x - but is it required from one OS X disk to another OS X disk? |
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E: Booting from OS X 10.2 Install CD after Install |
January, 20, 2003 5:28 PM |
OSXGuru |
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It should work to boot from the Install CD using XPF by pretending to do the install again. It sounds like you tried that, but ran out of space in NVRAM for your settings. As another user mentioned, version 2.2.5 should help with that. Once the Installer is running, you can use the menu to get to the Disk Utility. And if you quit the installer, it will let you restart. (Hold down the option key to get back to Mac OS 9). |
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RE: Booting from OS X 10.2 Install CD after Instal |
January, 04, 2003 11:32 AM |
twoolley |
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RWBorn - Yes, thanks! I made an image backup of my OS X partition some weeks ago using Carbon Copy Cloner. I wonder if I can now use the image to extract the volume copy, and boot from that to run Disk Utility. But my original question still remains unanswered. Assuming one can boot from the Install CD to run Disk Utility -- what is the process? From which OS using XPF? |
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January, 04, 2003 8:41 AM |
RWBorn |
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Hi, I can understand that you want to be able to boot from the CD, I'd like that too. But after trying it without succes I gave up quickly and now found a solution that is next best, but good enough for me: I cloned my OSX partition with the help of Carbon Copy Cloner into the next partition, which is not within the first 8 gig and is much bigger too. Nevertheless this partition boots perfectly like the original one, from OS9 with XPostFacto as well as between the two Tens. So now I have at least a way to do the housekeeping work on the original partition when that becomes necessary. You may think that this method wastes a lot of disk space, but Carbon Copy Cloner gives the option to exclude parts of the Installation in the cloning process, so you have some control over it. Richard. |
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RE: Booting from OS X 10.2 Install CD after Instal |
January, 03, 2003 6:53 PM |
twoolley |
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joevt - Thank you for the suggestions. I will try those that I haven't already played with - not without some trepidation of things going amiss. I will try XPF 2.2.5b7 next. When I first installed my Sonnet G4 800 I discovered that it had a serious incompatibility with my original stock PTPro Twin Turbo 128m8 video PCI card (in any of the 6 PCI slots, including the first three). This was weeks before I even tried to install OS X. So I bought the Radeon 7000 just to be able to use the Sonnet G4 with OS 9.1, and removed the TT128. At that time I also beefed up my RAM to 704mb. It worked beautifully, and I was then able to install OS X Jaguar with the help of XPostFacto. I also have a Sonnet Tempo Trio PCI Card for a 120GB partitioned Western Digital Caviar SE Drive. There were/are no other PCI cards installed. I reset CUDA and zapped PRAM after the hardware installation, and I've done no other hardware installations since installing OS X from the Install CD. The CD-ROM drive is an internal SCSI Yamaha 8/4/24 which performs flawlessly in both OS X and OS 9.1. I have had no NVRAM issues with XPF 2.2.4 until I tried to boot the OS X Install disk again just to access Disk Utility for maintenance only. But what is the proper procedure to boot the Install Jaguar CD? Are you saying that I did try the right method, i.e.:Boot into 9.x, mount the Install CD, run XPF as if to install OS X to access Disk Utility after the CD boots? Or contrarily do I mount the CD in OS X and run Startup Disk from System Preferences to boot the CD? |
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E: Booting from OS X 10.2 Install CD after Install |
January, 03, 2003 5:17 PM |
joevt |
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Does it say what kind of NVRAM problem? Maybe there's not enough NVRAM. I think more NVRAM is used to do an install than to do a reboot. Are you sure your current setup is the same as your original install setup? Are your settings in XPostFacto the same? It's interesting that you were able to install using a Radeon 7000 when most people have to use built in video or an older/original video card but that might be because you have a PowerTower Pro. Maybe try zapping the PRAM before booting into OS 9. Try reducing the NVRAM used by XPostFacto by setting the input-device to none, turning off verbose mode, single user mode, and all debug options. If that fails then also set the output-device to none. You'll probably have to wait awhile for the blue OS X startup screen to appear. Did you try XPostFacto 2.2.5b7? That reduces the size of the output- device and boot-device names so they take less space in NVRAM. |