First 8 gig rule... |
January, 03, 2003 7:52 PM |
esmith |
Under OS X, must both the OS X partition AND the OS 9.1 partition be within the first 8 gigs of the IDE hard drive. On my set up the first 7.5 gigs is OS X and the next 3 gigs is OS 9.1. Classic mode does not work with this startup disk setup. |
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RE: First 8 gig rule... |
January, 26, 2003 6:15 PM |
OSXGuru |
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Hmm, it shouldn't really. The backtrace might provide some useful information, as well as the list of kernel extensions involved in the backtrace (with their load addresses). I'd also need to know exactly which version of Mac OS X you are using. |
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RE: First 8 gig rule... |
January, 21, 2003 12:30 AM |
chibi_delenn |
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Ryan, I got past that "No mountable HFS volumes" sp00 that OF decided to give me finally. I reformatted the HD in 9.1 just to be safe, but I still cannot get it to boot right. Where I used to be able to boot off the CD and install to the HD from my DVD-ROM drive, I no longer can, and instead get a Kernel Panic just after the apple "logo" screen comes on. I have inserted the ATI ROM XTENDER into the AppleNDRV folder in / system/extensions, but that didnt' work. Then I disabled the SonnetCache.kext, and that too did not work. No matter what, I was getting a major KP where I used to not get one. The only difference now from what I had before is that I have a 200 GB HD on my Tempo Trio (using the correct 3.5.0 firmware). How could this new HD be screwing things up so royally? |
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RE: First 8 gig rule... |
January, 20, 2003 7:04 PM |
OSXGuru |
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The "no bootable HFS volumes" error relates to the method used to initialize your drive. You will need to reformat in Mac OS 9 using Apple's Drive Setup or Intech's Hard Disk SpeedTools. |
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RE: First 8 gig rule... |
January, 10, 2003 7:45 AM |
chibi_delenn |
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Just a note, if you are using a Tempo Trio, the 8 GB partition limit would almost certainly apply, as it is not seen as SCSI in OS X, but in fact true IDE. This is made very apparent by anybody using an attached ATAPI drive to read audio CDs. With pre-Tempo ATA/100 cards and the like, the card would show up as faux SCSI, and would either work or not (usually not) for stuff like audio CDs. But along with the true IDE, unless it's on a newer mac (post Beige G3), the 8 GB limit would seem to apply. Unfortunately for me right now, I cannot get my OS X partition working right now off my Tempo Trio. I had it working before, but it was on one of my Seagate 40 GB HDs. Now my OS X partition resides in the first 7.9 GB of my brand new Drivezilla (Western Digital 200 GB SE HD w/ 8 MB cache), and I get "no bootable HFS volumes" / "cannot open deblocker package" when OF pops up at bootup when attempting an OS X boot from XPF. I'm currently using XPF 2.2.1, as my experience with XPF up to 2.2.4 was, how shall I put it...catastrophically disatrous, as all versions after 2.2.1 (haven't tried 2.2.5 yet) actually managed to munge my OS X HD completely, requiring a (lengthy) reinstall from scratch. I will try 2.2.5 in just a few minutes and hopefully fix that problem. Oh, and my 9.1 and 9.2.2 system folders have also resided within the 8 GB limit, and so far classic just will not work under 10.2.x. Go figure. |
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RE: First 8 gig rule... |
January, 10, 2003 12:04 AM |
joevt |
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SCSI does not have the same limitation. IDE drives shouldn't have the same limitation either if they are connected to a PCI IDE controller card. It is the OS X installer that is enforcing the limit maybe because it thinks that it's going to install on a drive connected to an IDE interface like the one that the Beige G3 had which did have the 8 GB boot limit. It might think this because your computer is older than the Beige G3 and that any such computers will have the same IDE problem (which is false). You can install OS X on an 8 GB partition then move it to a larger partition using Carbon Copy Cloner or you could install OS X to a large partition by using a New World Mac that does not have the limit and then move the drive back to the Old World Mac. It shouldn't matter where OS 9 is placed. There might be a way to edit the installer so that it doesn't enforce the limit but it would be a hassle to make it into a bootable installer. My B&W G3 has a 200 GB hard drive but I only give 7 GB to the OS X partition (and 6 GB for the OS 9 partition). I keep all third party apps and all my docs elsewhere except for the apps that need to be put in the Applications folder (I duplicate those elsewhere anyway). |
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RE: First 8 gig rule... |
January, 08, 2003 7:14 PM |
john.england |
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Does SCSI have the same limitation? I'm finding 8 gigs to be limiting. |
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RE: First 8 gig rule... |
January, 08, 2003 6:39 PM |
tippingj |
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This is very weird. I installed Mac OS 9.1, and setup my drives from the CDRom drive in OS 9.1. Here is what I did. 8000mb OS X Partition 3500mb OS X 2 Partition 1500mb Mac OS 9.1 Partition These are in order of the drive. Starting with the beginning of the drive for OS X. I heard somewhere that it had to all be crammed into the first 8 gb. Yet, I can boot OS 9.1 (despite my HD "powering up" 2 times before the happy Mac- almost as if it goes to sleep 2 times, but I suspect that is what it does before it finds the OS 9.1 partition), and use Classic just fine. No problems whatsoever... I think just OS X wants to be in the first 8gb.. Perhaps there is a way around this- or is it like the infamous LBA Limits in the PC world (meaning, the computer cannot acsess the drive due to the geometry)... |
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RE: First 8 gig rule... |
January, 04, 2003 7:57 AM |
thomas.hart |
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No, I have OS X in the first partition and OS 9.1 in the next (both are 7.9G) with a third "data" partition. Classic works for me this way. You can, from what I've read install both into the first 8G partition, and it should work... I seperated them for "maintenance" purposes... |
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