Asante & Flashed Radeon corruption problem, no go |
March, 05, 2003 9:01 AM |
tippingj |
Greetings to all. I recently purchased Virtual PC for my Mac. Once I installed this, I had several large; 300-500mb files to get over my network. Here is my system as follows: Powerbase 200 Powerlogix G3 400mhz w1mbL2 Bus: 46.7mhz (from 40mhz), giving 467mhz Processor speed L2 Cache @ 3:1, 187mhz 144mb RAM (16mb, 64mb, 64mb) My PCI Slots are as follows: Slot A1: Asante Networking card (690) Slot B1: Entegra USB 2 Port PCI Slot C1: Radeon 7000 64mb DDR PCI Slot E1: Onboard ATI 4mb Video I should note that Quartz Extreme is ENABLED. Works just fine too. Nice smooth graphics (even at Millions of colors at 1027x768) on my monitor. I think part of the problem is that- Millions instead of Thousands- that should be enough to choke up the PCI bus even more. I can download at around 300kbps just fine. However. When transferring from my PC over the network, the thing is bloddy slow. Like 31 Min for 300mb over a Full 100mbps (with full Duplex = 200mbps?). Eeh... And I've seen the Mac do much better- It once did a whole 200mb in 20 seconds almost before the Radeon. Here is what happens. Radomly, during the bloddy slow transfer, the whole thing comes down on my head. As in Grey screen, and the error to reset the system or hold in the power button. Everything else works- its just this network thing. I will note that my Processor OC'd to 467mhz has worked for a year. The bottom of the screen reads FF:FF:FF:FF:FF or something like that (just F's. I wonder if that describes what I said when this happened.). I have transfered files before of this size and in *speed*. (not what looks like a unstable 100-500kbps by the counter). I can only assume that Quartz Extreme at Millions of colors is choking the PCI bus to death. Or does anyone else have any ideas about a crash like this? The only other time I saw it was when I cranked the processor to 50mhz Bus (unstable), but the numbers differ'd from F's. So. Could it be QE- or some other bug? |
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Asante & Flashed Radeon corruption problem, no go |
March, 06, 2003 1:53 PM |
tippingj |
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Yeah. Even on a 66mhz PCI system.. It still lags. I find that the only thing it does is the Genie Effect.. I mean.. Granted one can drool at the shear FPS it brings, but at what expense? I've been using the system without QE enabled for a day.. I sorta wish I never turned it on.. Most of the system is a heck of alot more responsive. What apple really needs is to have another form of QE.. That being, where the vast majority of the GUI is cranked through the CPU as usual, but anything like the Genie Effect or other transistion/window effects are done via the Video Card. Therefor, only the PCI Bus is really "choked" when you minimize a window- and, even then, you still aren't piping the *entire* GUI through the PCI interface. How about "PCI Quartz Extreme". I mean.. Hey. Apple can do it- "anyone" can use a PCI Card, even on a supported system, therefore, they *should* have support for QE on a PCI card like above. Well. I guess iBe waiting for 10.3. |
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Asante & Flashed Radeon corruption problem, no go |
March, 05, 2003 11:18 PM |
lei1 |
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I agree. I enabled QE quite some time ago, ran some benchmarks, and I'd had enough. Benchmarked video performance dropped significantly in almost all respects. These results were duplicated several weeks later when I tried again with an updated ROM for the R7000 and a system update applied. It seems QE is enabled for AGP buses only for a good reason. |
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Please read |
March, 05, 2003 8:39 PM |
tippingj |
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Heres the thing. I relise now that QE just isn't worth it. All it does is make the Genie Effect smoother. Nothing else. Screensavers are just as active. Games, etc, are all just as fast. Window Dragging is slightly slower. But who cares. Scrolling is the same. Some things are even faster (due to the fact that they are executed in the CPU, not through the CPU, PCI Bus, and then into the Radeon), the dock is more responsive. Everything else.. OpenGL. Same. QT. Same. Screensavers. Same. Things like scrolling, buttons, etc. Same. "Having QE On, Killing your network and crashing your computer. Worthless.".. So the warning to people out there. QE is nice Eye Candy. But are you willing to exchange your Hardware preformance of just about everything else to benefit the "Genie"? I'm not. Lesson learnt. Anyhow. R7K still works just fine. Maybe someday when QE Evolves a little more, so one can configure witch aspects of the GUI go to the CPU and which get rendered via QE.. Then I will enable it. Otherwise. I'm off to the world of non-QE. See ya all around. |
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RE: Asante & Flashed Radeon corruption problem, no |
March, 05, 2003 7:22 PM |
tempest |
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My Zynx 10/100 card is supported w/out any 3rd-party drivers under OS 9.2.2. |
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Asante & Flashed Radeon corruption problem, no go |
March, 05, 2003 6:52 PM |
tippingj |
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Damn. I can confirm, that, without QE on.. Well. The genie effect looks like crap.. But the network is up-to-speed and working just fine. Any idea why QE would kill the networking card like this? I mean.. Technically.. My USB works just fine- at full speed.. So why doesn't a networking card? Sigh. Its a big bad pitty at that. I like QE too. |
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Asante & Flashed Radeon corruption problem, no go |
March, 05, 2003 4:24 PM |
egonzales21 |
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Agree with marcush I had a free NIC card that was Realtek 8139 based. Nothing but problems. It would cause Retrospect to hang anytime it was acessing a computer on home network. Appletalk not really supported. I found a Farallon based DEC 21x4 card on Ebay and now everything great. 10.2 support already built in. I have not had time to look but only drawback is that there may not be 9.x support. Almost forgot. I also experimented with an Asante 696 card with the 10.2 drivers. It also gave me problems, however I do not know if really the card or the drivers because it was in my 9600 with 5 other PCI cards. However the DEC 21x4 apparently does not get phased by this. Highly recommend card based on DEC 21x4 for 10.2 use. |
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Asante & Flashed Radeon corruption problem, no go |
March, 05, 2003 1:41 PM |
marcush |
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I have a Realtek 8139 based ethernet card but the drivers would die during when copying to or from a shared drive. The problem was identical with even the latest available drivers from Realtek. They worked fine downloading from the web and such. I replaced it with a DEC 21x4 based card made by Zynx, and Apple OEM supplier, and now I can mount shared drives from my other machines and transfer files between machines again. The card uses Apple's ethernet drivers so their is no longer a need for a 3rd party solution. It sounds like a driver issue you are having. See if Assante has updated the drivers for 10.2.4 and give them a try. |
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Asante & Flashed Radeon corruption problem, no go |
March, 05, 2003 10:52 AM |
ian |
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Buy a $10 RealTek based card and get the latest 10.2 drivers from their website. I've had pretty good luck overall with my RealTek cards, and that includes being with the new Radeon. Also, try sticking video in A1. |
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Asante & Flashed Radeon corruption problem, no go |
March, 05, 2003 9:04 AM |
tippingj |
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I will note that I am probobly using the 10.1 drivers from asante- I think they were released before 10.2, they were NOT the ones on the disk.?? I am running 10.2.4. I also note that USB works just fine, burning disks, etc, through the PCI USB Card (so the Radeon isn't completly hogging the PCI Bus..) |
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