10.2.5 is out |
April, 10, 2003 1:40 PM |
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10.2.5 is out, ceheckout maccentral.com |
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RE: 10.2.5 is out |
April, 12, 2003 1:47 PM |
tomquinlan |
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Sound out works for some things on my 9500. The slider from the sound icon in the menu bar gives my alert sound but does not change volume levels. However the slider in iTunes WILL change volume levels. I do have a speaker with an external volume control at arms reach, so I'm not terribly concerned with sound out at the moment. Sound in does not work and has never worked for me in X. Tom |
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RE: 10.2.5 is out |
April, 12, 2003 12:26 PM |
krevnik |
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Okay, here is the 'scoop' that I have had with sound on my 8600, using no audio cards, just what the case/mobo already has: OS X is used to ONE sound output method... Legacy machines register the headphone port and the internal speaker as two devices. The internal speaker is what OS X sees and controls as the primary sound-out device. The headphone/sound-out port is at max volume as another post stated earlier. There appears to be no way to change this, and so I mute the master volume, and use the volume control on the external speakers I use. Never have had sound cut out on me since installing I first installed OS X back when 10.0.4 was spiffy. Any help? |
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RE: 10.2.5 is out |
April, 12, 2003 5:22 AM |
tempest |
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So you guys who have sound out working, do you have speakers connected to the sound out jack on your Macintosh, I presume? Does the master volume in the Sound Control Panel/Menu Bar work? What about the Stereo slider? When you put the master volume on mute and you click on the volume slider, do you get a beep or silence? |
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RE: 10.2.5 is out |
April, 12, 2003 3:09 AM |
marcush |
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I've always been able to boot back to OS9 using the startup disk control panel in OSX. To get back to OSX I use the System Disk Control panel that comes with Darwin. It is mentioned in Ryan's earliest docs before XpostFacto or Unsupported Utility X existed. After an initial install of OSX I've only ever used XpostFacto to reinstall bootx or the kernel extensions Sound out has always worked for me as well. Sound input, on the other had, has never worked. I resolved that problem with an M-Audio revolution card. Got tired of waiting for opensource drivers for my SoundBlaster. I've also always been able to play music from my IDE drives. I curently have a Sonnet Tempo ATA/100 card and it's never given me a problem. Before that I was using an Acard ATA/133 card and it worked perfectly as well. Power Tower Pro 225, Sonnet G4/800, 1GB RAM |
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RE: 10.2.5 is out |
April, 11, 2003 5:00 PM |
macman |
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I have no issues with my Audiophile 2496/Trio/ATI 7k/Sonnet 800 in my 8600. I *DID* have a Rev A Trio die on me less than a month after I had it in my box back in October, but I doubt that is your problem, insightinmind. What slots do you have your hardware installed in? From the bottom of the case, I have the cards in this order: ATI 7k, Audiophile, Trio. Regarding the other question about booting back to OS9, I actually had to do that today for the first time since January. Option key did it just fine for me. If that doesn't work, just zap the pram. Stephen |
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RE: 10.2.5 is out |
April, 11, 2003 10:47 AM |
tomquinlan |
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I've always used the Startup Disk control panel and never had a problem on my 9500 using a Sonnet Tempo ATA 66 controller. I had never heard that this process is buggy until now. It's good to know about the option key though if all else fails. |
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RE: 10.2.5 is out |
April, 11, 2003 10:39 AM |
insightinmind |
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In my PowerPC 8500, I installed an M-Audio Audiophile 2496 sound card, and finally got it to work (I think) with an older Sonnet G4/400 CPU card. It also works with a PowerLogix G3/400. But doesn''t fly with the newer techonologies found in the Sonnet G4/800 and their Trio Card. Something about Open Firmware memory release conflicts in the legacy macs ... anybody know more about this? If I utilized an ATA drive off Sonnet's Trio card, it would corrupt the sound ... leave the ATA alone, and sound seemed to work, with my applications coming off scsi drives. This seemed to point to the newest technology Open Firmware conflicts, as Sonnet tried to explain to me. So far, whe audio out from the buiiltin sound card ""works", and is a good input back into the Auidophile from an external mixer ... BUT, having installed the G4/400 yesterday (4/10) I am still experimenting with the Sound Manager in 10.2.4 and the Audiophile''s management called M-Audio Delta Control Panel... relative to volume control ... with a mixer board and an amplifier, I get my volume changes externally, mostly for now ... |
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RE: 10.2.5 is out |
April, 11, 2003 12:02 AM |
tempest |
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To get back to OS 9, I always press the option key while the system reboots. Works every time. From OS 9, I use XPF to restart back to OS X with my Sonnet G4; with my PowerLogix G3, I just restart and it booted back to OS X without any intervention. |
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RE: 10.2.5 is out |
April, 10, 2003 11:39 PM |
pbell3 |
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I've been reading these messages about sound on legacy systems for along time now. This problem wil not be cured by a new version of the MacOS X. This software, by its nature, is not written to deal with legacy hardware in a consistant fashion. Sound is one of the worst samples of this problem. It will work when Xpostfacto is written to add the proper libraries required to support hardware which is now approaching 4-5 years old. This is a responsibility that goes entirely to OSXGURU. If he wants sound to work, then a library extension must be written that works with that particular feature of the hardware (just as many other features of the hardware is in fact presently supported). For example, I own a Beige-G3, and OSX works on this system, but sound is not properly supported, even on a system Apple says it supports (it works, but volume is soft and only has about 3 different levels). The Beige-G3 is basically a legacy system that has enough stuff in it to work,.... but it doesn't work perfectly. However, there are alot more important fish to fry in the XpostFacto software. The main problem is better management of the pram memory management as it regards the transfer of control between OSX and OS9. This is buggy to say the least. It is buggy because the pram is not handled correctly when switching back to OS9. Startup-Disk in OSX does not know how to manage the PRAM in a legacy computer. If you'll notice, XpostFacto works fine to startup OSX from OS9, but returning to OS9 is consistantly dicey. And believe me, it is sometimes infinitely important to return to OS9, even more so on a legacy system; especially when trying to test compatibility of hardware. In my opinion; XPostFacto is experimental software, and is still in its Alpha phase of development. Usage of XpostFacto on a legacy system is a novelty and is not to be trusted in day-to-day usage unless and until a round dozen facets of the OSX is dealt with, and the Startup-disk-PRAM issues (especially) are resolved. I impune no-one here, not OSXGURU, and not the many people that actually use OSX on legacy systems everyday. I merely attempt to do a reality check in what is being attempted by one courageous Canadian citizen who still has much to do to solve a riddle which still has many questions unaswered. Here's one: NextStep works fine on an 68030 and resides in less than 8-megs of memory, and storage need not be larger than a couple of hundred megabytes. So how did NextStep-2 (OSX) get to the present place of needing at least a 233-G3, 128-megs of ram, and recently at least 2.8-gigabytes of storage? There are no signicant internal extensions between the two systems, but there are obviously many things unnecessary, presently in OSX. It's a fine package, but it's clearly a bloated monster that functionally (and intentionally) abandons virtually every system made prior to 1998. The logic applied is contradictory. Stripping out system hardware libraries, then adding many others for reasons obscure to an old UNIX user (me ). That's enough public abuse for now ! |
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RE: 10.2.5 is out |
April, 10, 2003 5:35 PM |
tempest |
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For my 8500, the sound problem is basically the sound output jack cannot have its volume adjusted via the Sound Control Panel's master volume--it's always at maximum--and the stereo slider doesn't work. Mac OS X 10.2.5 doesn't improve this situation, so I continue to rely on my remote speakers' volume. Sound probably still cuts off if I let the monitor sleep while iTunes is playing--it cut out but came back although I feel there's a race condition somewhere that gives me maybe a 50/50 chance of it not cutting out. My Radeon 7K has ROM v208. No other ill effects so far. |
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RE: 10.2.5 is out |
April, 10, 2003 5:29 PM |
rjbailey |
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Installed on my 8500. Didn't fix the no-sound problem. No other observations yet. |
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