OEM UL3D: firmware 1.6.1 - update? |
April, 29, 2003 12:25 PM |
gregoryy |
I was using UL3S in B&W and bought one of the $79 UL3D OEM ATTO units. The firmware for retail cards: can I use it? Current firmware is 1.66. OS X 10.2.5 now has 1.1.0 but to boot into 9.2.2 I think you have to have 1.64 or 1.66 (1.65 was beta). Finder problems and now a "keys out of order" even without using a disk. I think there is trouble communicating to drives on the external channel where I have two pairs of Cheetahs as Apple RAID and a startup drive. Seems like the internal Ultrastar is okay oddly enough. If I try to update the firmware I'm worried I won't be able to fix it or even boot with it etc. |
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RE: OEM UL3D: firmware 1.6.1 - update? |
May, 14, 2003 5:02 PM |
gregoryy |
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I read on ATTO that PSCd could use the narrow plus one of the other wide... maybe if I didn't use the narrow internal bus - then you can use two wide devices? interesting, and I never tried that. And yes, most of the time when UL2 or another SCSI LVD controller setup doesn't work, its cheap or bad cable and/or terminator. I was buying Granite and decided to look at other places - could buy 4 cables for the price of one 6 ft VHDC.... they've gotten better in the last two years, there are options to Granite. But when things don't work, often Granite equipment will. |
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RE: OEM UL3D: firmware 1.6.1 - update? |
May, 14, 2003 1:35 PM |
mjoecups358 |
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It's not a debate. It's about trying to share accurate information with other people who are trying to upgrade there old world macs with XPF. Incidentily I have run wide drive on both the internal and external interface on the ATTO express PCI PSC at the same time. Just need to make sure they are propery terminated. Marty |
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RE: OEM UL3D: firmware 1.6.1 - update? |
May, 14, 2003 1:13 PM |
gregoryy |
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I've used 2940U2B in 7300 running 9.1 as well as UL3S and the point of the debate? that I don't know computers or am misleading folks? The PSCd is SE, you can use either the internal or external wide channel but not both. Maybe not all drivers or cable or knowing how lead to different observations. And, retail cards will be different. OS X will not boot from U2B in oldworld, but 9.1 did/does. I even buy stuff just to see if it works! like the 7300 and a begie rev A, to help out and play and do some testing. the next test, to use Rev C ROM in Beige and see if I can get a 39160 (a nice Ultra160 dual channel card) to work rather than gather more dust. The 2940U2B's I bought for a B&W and picked up 3-4 of them from MacGurus when they were specials - not the ones that OWC is selling now - though don't know if there is any difference or not - there could be - its been 18 months since anyone else has had any for sale so not sure where these came from. 10K drives with 8MB cache make a lot of sense. Maxtor made the Atlas 10K IV to support UltraSCSI as well as the latest Ultra320 standard. Quiet, cool running almost, just hard to fit an active terminator on the backend. |
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RE: OEM UL3D: firmware 1.6.1 - update? |
May, 14, 2003 4:08 AM |
muri |
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Now I have a UL2D card (oem) with two IBM 18Gb 10K and everithing works great. I was thinking about replacing this card with the UL3D for better support of my disks (which are 160 capable) and for better support of new world macs (in case of future upgrade) ... but OWC doesn't say if this card will work on oldworld macs ... I guess that with OSX it should work well, but what about Os9? UL2D 1.6x firmware doesn't work with 9 and this card has 1.6 firmware if I'm not wrong ... |
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RE: OEM UL3D: firmware 1.6.1 - update? |
May, 13, 2003 3:26 PM |
mjoecups358 |
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Gregoryy wrote: "I used the UL3S retail in 7300. Unsupported but worked. 2940U2B also (watch out closing the lid if you use internal drives, the connector is on top). The PSCd is fine, too. none of the last two work with Jaguar on wide channel." Marty writes: The above in wrong information. The 2940U2B works fine as a wide controller but will not boot on old world macs. Also the ATTO express PCI PSC is bootble and also supports wide drives perfectly on old world macs. Gregoryy wrote "For 7300, you can't go too far wrong buying 10K 36GB drive, or even 18GB 68-pin and use a good 68/50 active term adapter. The large 8MB cache and 10k spindle make it run very very well. Even a cheap 2930 with adapter while still "only" 20MB/s performed well." Marty writes: AFAIK the 2930 does not boot on old world macs. Also it's silly to buy ultra wide drives and then cut the bandwidth in half with a 50 pin adapter. Gregoryy wrote: "And now you can find current gen Cheetah 36GB for $169, Hitachi for $159, and Atlas $189 (the older Atlas 10K-3 18GB ~$97, but the new 10K-4 is quieter, FDB, and runs cooler). " Marty writes: Yes the UW SCSI prices have gotten much nicer :~) Gregoryy wrote: "I just wish there was/had been better offerings. For awhile there really weren't good SCSI or IDE drives. And support for U2 in vintage isn't great - not if you want OS 9 and OS X support. The UL2D was/is if it is still sold a good buy (but maybe not the OEM card, even iwth the hack solution). " Marty: The ATTO express PCI PSC (which was OEM in the beige G3) is a great way to go. Although it isn't a U2 card, it still connects nicely to wide drives, and achieves the same throughput in single drive setups as the 29160N or UL2D. It also works perfectly with OS9. |
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RE: OEM UL3D: firmware 1.6.1 - update? |
May, 12, 2003 1:49 PM |
gregoryy |
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I used the UL3S retail in 7300. Unsupported but worked. 2940U2B also (watch out closing the lid if you use internal drives, the connector is on top). The PSCd is fine, too. none of the last two work with Jaguar on wide channel. For 7300, you can't go too far wrong buying 10K 36GB drive, or even 18GB 68-pin and use a good 68/50 active term adapter. The large 8MB cache and 10k spindle make it run very very well. Even a cheap 2930 with adapter while still "only" 20MB/s performed well. And now you can find current gen Cheetah 36GB for $169, Hitachi for $159, and Atlas $189 (the older Atlas 10K-3 18GB ~$97, but the new 10K-4 is quieter, FDB, and runs cooler). I just wish there was/had been better offerings. For awhile there really weren't good SCSI or IDE drives. And support for U2 in vintage isn't great - not if you want OS 9 and OS X support. The UL2D was/is if it is still sold a good buy (but maybe not the OEM card, even iwth the hack solution). |
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RE: OEM UL3D: firmware 1.6.1 - update? |
May, 06, 2003 11:52 AM |
muri |
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Does anybody know if this card will work on oldworld macs like my 7300? |
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RE: OEM UL3D: firmware 1.6.1 - update? |
May, 06, 2003 12:00 AM |
wesp2 |
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According to ATTO tech support, the Apple OEM UL3D will not work with any of their updated firmware. 1.6.1 is it. Of course, they told me the same thing about the PSC OEM card, but using a hack from xlr8yourmac I was able to download ATTO retail firmware and make run like a retail card. The UL2D OEM in my 8500 updated with retail firmware with no hassles. But, so far I have been unable to update the UL3D to 1.66. I don't currently have any disk drives on it, so don't know if there are any problems there. I did have the boot device select screen (Option at boot) hang, but haven't had time to pursue if that was a glitch or related to the card. At least my MDD now goes into deep sleep now. Neither the PSC nor UL2D support deep sleep. |
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RE: OEM UL3D: firmware 1.6.1 - update? |
April, 30, 2003 3:17 PM |
gregoryy |
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After further attempts and testing, I can use drives only on the internal channel, but not on the external channel. Zilch. Bad card? old firmware? And this is with OS X 10.2.5 and latest drivers etc. The retail UL3S works fine. So I'll return or ditch this. I also have a 39160 (works on latest G4's but not on early G4's or earlier it seems). The 39160 ought to even work on Beige G3 w/ rev C ROM and maybe the rev 2 motherboard. Unless you just have to try it, or have a G4, I'd avoid this card even more so than the UL2D's from last fall. |
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RE: OEM UL3D: firmware 1.6.1 - update? |
April, 30, 2003 1:55 PM |
gregoryy |
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"The Apple firmware will work with OS X..." What firmware? All OS X does is provide kext file drivers; and then there is EPCIPlus and EPCICfg installers to update to 1.1.0 (10.2 provides 1.01) and yes, seems to work with the old 1.61 firmware. I don't use OS 9, which is where some trouble is; there was trouble with the retail cards running 9.2.1/9.2.2 with UL3S/D and 1.64 as of 9/1/2001. how old is 1.6.1? I bougth a cable tester from Granite ($49) and may need some longer (2 m.) cables in the future so they aren't twisted and bent so much... at $159 a pop can't be having the heads twist off. Which is one of the problems with "testing" - attaching, unattaching, and then anytime you can drives, PCI cards, I have to boot from a CD just to select the system etc to use and boot from. No systempicker for B&Ws. So it seems to be working. Haven't pushed my luck. Has taken 24 hrs to get everything reinstalled and configured, updated and working. |
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RE: OEM UL3D: firmware 1.6.1 - update? |
April, 30, 2003 3:25 AM |
gregoryy |
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Does anyone think that the hack to turn an OEM ATTO will work on the UL3's the way it did on the UL2's the OWC had last fall? |
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RE: OEM UL3D: firmware 1.6.1 - update? |
April, 29, 2003 6:44 PM |
Tony.Scaminaci |
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I have two Atlas 10K drives in my G4 Sawtooth. Does the UL3D OEM card go to sleep properly under OS X? My UL2D card prevents my Sawtooth from sleeping. Talked to Atto and they basically said "too bad", the UL2D's are no longer supported for driver updates. Atto did say that the UL3S and UL3D would sleep properly in X, but at $400+, I can live without sleep. But if the $79 OEM card sleeps, it may be worth the upgrade. With the B&W, I don't think that moving to 1.66 firmware will hurt you. The old, unsupported Macs that we use in this forum had problems with Atto firmware above the 1.5 rev. My UL2D is running 1.64 which has run fine forever. It even sleeps properly under OS 9, but not under OS X. |
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RE: OEM UL3D: firmware 1.6.1 - update? |
April, 29, 2003 6:04 PM |
gregoryy |
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Apple's version has always been one internal and one external, then confuses the heck out of everyone by calling it a UL3D. The retail cards I like. They have the VHDC connector on the outside. Which is what I have for cables. I think one of the cables I used was marginal so I simplified. I know its for G4 AGP and later, but I don't think B&W is that far away and should be supported. Just seems like really old firmware revsion (1.61) and I have NEVER seen a firmware update from Apple. I may just put it in BeigeMT and leave me (retail) UL3S where it was in the B&W where it works okay (has the 1.66 firmware). I tried to update the firmware while in 10.2.5 and it refused - I guess *luckily* But I also know that there are/were problems with firmware 1.64 and 9.2.1/9.2.2 which ATTO was surprised to find but aware of (eventually) and that is what lead to the 1.66 firmware. I was going to buy the UL4S soon when I saw these and figured "why not?" at $80. I have some Atlas 10K IV drives that need better than Ultra2. |
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RE: OEM UL3D: firmware 1.6.1 - update? |
April, 29, 2003 5:33 PM |
Tony.Scaminaci |
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I wouldn't touch the firmware until you clear up your other problems. The Apple firmware will work with OS X - the ATTO update may not, even though ATTO claims that 1.66 is OK for X. We are on unsupported machines after all. By the way, I saw that ad as well. But the picture on OWC's site shows only one internal connector and one external connector. When I go up to Atto's site, the picture shows two internal connectors and two external connectors. Both cards are called PCI Express UL3D. What does your card have? |
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