Upgrade jitters with 9600 also Classic problem |
December, 04, 2002 2:29 AM |
krissel |
First post here (spent many hours reading through threads...) Present system: 9600/350 (604e) 1.5 G Ram 4 G stock drive 18 G IBM 7200 rpm Twin Turbo 8 MB XClaim VR 8 MB USB/Firewire combo card Have been running 10.1.5 successfully for several months and have just received delivery on Sonnet G4 700 and Original Mac Edition Radeon. About to enter upgrade hell. Have X on first 3 G of IBM drive (I keep most apps on separate partition to keep that volume as free as possible-only 1 G used now). Classic 9.1 bare is on separate 4 G drive and have regular 9.1 on another partition on 18G for general use. Machine is running OK except for a problem I have had with OS 9.1 system file becoming corrupted now and then. Locking the system file prevents corruption but also prevents printing, need to unlock and restart to print. At some point the choice for classic startup deferred to a drive other than the official Classic install. In fact it won't show the two partitions from the 4 G drive at all where the original classic was put. Nor does it show the volume which has the main 9.1 as a selectable choice for classic startup (greyed out). Any clue as to what is preventing the drive or other OS 9 from being seen by the classic system pref panel as valid? The X startup disk panel sees all the OSs. The drive's partitions mount just fine and are completely usable. Should the classic volume be on the same physical drive as X? The main 9.1 is on the same drive yet it is greyed out...why?. One other question if I may...I plan to install the new stuff in this order. Processor video card Jag (if I get that far without pulling my hair out) Any caveats? I was thinking of possibly installing Jag to separate partition and keeping 10.1.5 just in case, assuming the hardware upgrades go OK. If this is wise, does it really matter where on the drive X goes, not as far as the first 8 G problem which I know isn't applicable, but rather for speed purposes. With the 604 processor I installed X on the first part of the fastest drive to get max usability. As important with new hardware? Thank you for all the help I've received just by reading and forgive the long post. |
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RE: Upgrade jitters with 9600 also Classic problem |
December, 10, 2002 11:02 PM |
krissel |
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Man, I wish there was a way to edit these posts... I meant to say the Classic partition was in the X and 9.1 startup disk panels and yes, I could boot to it. It just didn't appear as a choice for Classic when in X. I guess I'm still tired...was up til 5 AM.... |
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RE: Upgrade jitters with 9600 also Classic problem |
December, 10, 2002 10:57 PM |
krissel |
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OSXGuru, sorry I didn't answer your post correctly. The Classic parttion showed just fine in the 9.1 startup disk panels and I could boot into it, but it was not in X panel at all. I haven't been back into X yet since all the processor install problems and the clean installs. Will post if that has disappeared. For the moment I am just happy to have a stable and working unit. I do have my PB but this is my work machine and I will miss it when I ultimately have to buy new. |
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RE: Upgrade jitters with 9600 also Classic problem |
December, 10, 2002 10:47 PM |
krissel |
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Thanks for the responses earlyd416 and MacOSXGuru. A lot has transpired since my last post including an attempt to get a Sonnet G4 700 card working. I followed installation instructions to the letter and on first boot (9.1) it ran just fine for about 10 minutes then total lockup. I tried the easy fixes like zapping PRAM, rebuilding desktop, etc. but realized most likely it was my RAM causing the problem. With 12 chips to test I spent the next 3 days swapping in and out every possible configuration you can imagine. I had a running journal and a labeled board on which to place the chips so as not to confuse them. The results varied from immediate freeze at the desktop to actually getting 3 chips to run together for about an hour and a half before lockup. That was the best I could do. Unforutnately I came to the conclusion that I would have to buy all new RAM to get this thing to work. With that prospect in mind I realized that it was not worth that extra expense on top of the processor and video card to put into this machine. So I am going to send the card back. I will have to pay a restocking fee unless someone here wants it...(email me or post if you do). I won't send it back til sometime next week as I have 15 days. As for the system corruption on my one partition, I installed clean systems on all the partitions where I needed 9.1 and on the one that was becoming corrupted I hand transferred only the most wanted/needed extensions and prefs. So far it hasn't exhibited the previous behavior, of course it was intermitent and time will tell. It wasn't a matter of being unblessed, it wouldn't open and sometimes was listed in the ASP as 9.2 which I don't even have on this machine. In the get info box on the corrupted file I would get the oddest things in the comments window about it being a developer's build. That really threw me as these installs were from a regular 9.04 CD. The 9.1 update was downloaded . Anyway, many thanks to all who read this far and tried to help. I feel like a bit of a failure. Oddly enough though, when I put the 604e and all the RAM back in, I was surprised at how quick it really responded in general use. Only in using PhotoShop actions and Painter was there a noticeable difference. Other times were a matter of 5-15 seconds longer in opening apps or saving big files. I can live with that for now. |
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RE: Upgrade jitters with 9600 also Classic problem |
December, 10, 2002 8:26 PM |
OSXGuru |
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One other possibility is that the Classic System Folder has become "de-blessed" somehow. Can you select that System Folder with the Startup Disk control panel and boot into it? |
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RE: Upgrade jitters with 9600 also Classic problem |
December, 04, 2002 2:36 PM |
earlyd416 |
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If it's not a drive problem, then check your memory. Do it anyway as a bad mameory chip can also corupt a drive. I've used "memtest" as described in the Freeze thread. I've got an 8600 with a Powerlogix G4 CPU card and an ATTO UL2D SCSI card. So, I've had the memory, cache utility s/w and hard drive booting blues starting with 10.2. Everything is running beautifully now, but I had to go through blazes to get my Mac to this point. These forum threads are great. I'll be watching your progress as I have a 9600/233 that hasn't been upgrated at all, running 9.1. I'm looking at adding the Sonnet 800MHz card after the New Year. So, I'm wishing you luck. --Dwight |
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RE: Upgrade jitters with 9600 also Classic problem |
December, 04, 2002 2:48 AM |
krissel |
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OK, duh factor here. Realized that the fact the system was locked on the one partition probably is the reason it is greyed out? Yes? If that is so it still doesn't explain why the other drive doesn't appear as a choice unless Classic must be on the same physical drive. ??? |