newer maxpower g4/400 & blue and white |
August, 20, 2003 1:59 PM |
nimbusthegreat |
i tried to look for a similar issue here but have had no luck (please put in a search function!!!!). i try to launch xpf2.2.5 and get the following message: "[xpf] does not know how to patch nvram for powermac 1,1" so, i basically have no way of booting into x to install it. now, the funny thing is i have had jaguar on this machine before and for the life of me can't figure out how i made it work. i remember using a 3rd party utility (possibly not xpf) to get things installed. things ran pretty slow on this machine so when i got another computer at home i sent this one back to mac os 9 only. now i'm giving this b&w to my mom and want her to be able to run jaguar. any suggestions? thanks. brian |
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RE: newer maxpower g4/400 & blue and white |
August, 21, 2003 6:44 PM |
worldalex |
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Just to clearify, the reason for the error message, is that XPFacto does not know how to patch the New World ROM of the Blue and White G3. Although Apple does not support the G4 upgrade, it also does not actively work against it (excepting the ROM block). Actually OS X should treat the Yosemite basicly like a Yikes. The B&W does not have the 8GB partition issue of the Beige, though partioning does not hurt. Problems to check for. 1 Check the drive for any drive errors with Disk First Aid. Though I have found Disk Warrior to be a dream come true. 2 If you are using any non-stock items, these might be issues. Such as SCSI or Ethernet Cards not supported in OS-X. 3 RAM. I have found that the G4's much more limited RAM tolerance has caused me a bit of grief. Then again the RAM was probably bad, but OS 9 worked fine with it. OS X just kernel panicked at random parts of the install. 4 Do not try to use either XPostFacto or Sonnet installer software. They will not work, and could hurt. Hope this helps. |
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RE: newer maxpower g4/400 & blue and white |
August, 21, 2003 7:22 AM |
jseibyl |
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I have had my coffee, so I can go into a little less-bleary talk here... The BnW mobo has a different type of firmware built into it and the nvram error you are getting points to this. It shouldn't matter that you have a g4 chip on that board for this, that stuff is actually on the mobo. I know that apple doesn't "officially" support upgaded chips, but for the sake of installing jag on this machine, that should not be an issue, apple doesn't support much of any of this stuff, yet it does work. If your g4 is running, and it sounds like it is, then that is not the problem. NVram and firmware are on the mobo. XPF support is limited to the beige machines and clones for open firmware on the mobo, as it modifies the firmware to allow the workaround for the install. Since the firmware on your mobo is different, I assume your machine is the "Yosemite" BnW... CPU: PowerPC 750 CPU Speed: 300/350/400/450 Mhz FPU: integrated Bus Speed: 100 Mhz Data Path: 64 bit ROM: 1 MB ROM + 3 MB toolbox ROM loaded into RAM RAM Type: PC100 Mininum RAM Speed: 133 Mhz Onboard RAM: 0 MB RAM Slots: 4 Maximum RAM: 1 GB Level 1 Cache: 32 k data, 32k instruction Level 2 Cache: 1 MB backside, 1:2 Video Card: ATI RAGE 128 VRAM: 16 MB Maximum Resolution: all resolutions supported Slots: 3 64-bit 33Mhz PCI, 1 32-bit 66 Mhz PCI (filled) Zip Drive: optional Optical Drive: 32x CD-ROM, DVD/DVD-RAM available Hard Disk: 6-12 GB (up to 3 36 GB available BTO) ATA Bus: Ultra ATA Ethernet: 10/100Base-T USB: 2 FireWire: 2 Video Out: VGA Audio Out: stereo 16 bit mini Audio In: stereo 16 bit mini Speaker(s): mono Modem: optional 56 kbps Gestalt ID: 406 Power: 200 Watts Weight: 28.7 lbs. Dimensions: 17" H x 8.9" W x 18.4" D Minimum OS: 8.5.1 Maximum OS: 10.2.6 Introduced: January 1999 Terminated: September 1999 If your machine is stock, aside from the G4 chip, then XPF should not be needed, as it is looking to patch a portion of non-volitle ram, that just isn't there, or doesn't need patching. Even with the g4 chip, as this is independent from the firmware or nvram, this machine should run the instal disk without XPF. If you are running into trouble, I would try this.... 1. Zap Pram, or pull mobo battery and let it sit for 24 hours. 2. reinstall upgraded chip software from Newertech Sonnet or PowerLogic (I use the PowerLogic software for my Sonnet g4 chip in my 9500 as it is more tweakable) 3. get the machine stable in whatever flavor OS 9 you use (9.1 or 9.2 is best when using X) 4. check ALL hardware (seated properly in slots, etc to make sure something funcky is going on. 5. try your jag install disk WITHOUT XPF I am not sure if the Yosemite has "open" firmware, this is required by XPF to make the patch possible, if it doesn't that is the trouble right there, but from what I am seeing you should not need XPF. Hope that helps, I don't have a BnW to play with, but regardless of the upgraded chip, that machine "should" install jag without XPF, if it doesn't then there is a hardware issue somewhere. |
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RE: newer maxpower g4/400 & blue and white |
August, 21, 2003 6:05 AM |
jseibyl |
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No worries,didn't think that at all, but thanks......we all have hit a wall somewhere along the way....:-) Anyway,yeah I know 'bout the upgrade card...okay, back to basics...your error tells says... "[xpf] does not know how to patch nvram for powermac 1,1" Do you have the original install disk for your upgraded proc?? I would venture a guess that the NVram patcher might need to be run again. All BnW machines need this patcher Or could be something as simple as zapping PRam. I have a beige G3 with an upgraded g4 proc in it, that all I did was put the disk in and run the jag install, no XPF needed, so since that machine is newer than what I have, you can get the install to run. Did you change any hardware from the last time you had jag on this machine?? |
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RE: newer maxpower g4/400 & blue and white |
August, 21, 2003 1:39 AM |
nimbusthegreat |
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ps-jseibyl, i just re-read my post from earlier and i hope it didn't sound too snotty. i was just really tired from dealing with this all day and didn't intend to seem like i was being rude to you. i appreciate any help i can get on this. thanks again, brian |
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RE: newer maxpower g4/400 & blue and white |
August, 20, 2003 6:04 PM |
nimbusthegreat |
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this machine is not supported from apple since it has an upgrade card in it. as for the cache, i've activated it with l2cacheconfig and it is running. every time i insert ANY os x disc and try to install i get a kernel panic or just a garbled grey screen that i can only escape by hard resetting. as for the partition, haven't even made it that far yet. i can't get past step one. if the writer of xpf is reading this please respond with any ideas....or if someone has had a similar thing happen. brian |
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RE: newer maxpower g4/400 & blue and white |
August, 20, 2003 2:16 PM |
jseibyl |
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The BnW Yikes machine needs a NV ram patcher from newrtech or sonnet if you are using a g4 in it, once this is done, you should not need to use XPF at all. As a matter of fact, I am not even sure if XPF supports this machine, as it is Apple supported for X anyway. If the updated proc is running in that machine with the L2 cache enabled, then it has been patched already and it should just be a matter of throwing the X install disk and running with it. It might help to have a seperate drive for your X install, but I like to be safe. If you try to install on a partitioned drive, the partition needs to be the FIRST partition, and that partition needs to be at least 8 gigs, for an IDE drive. |
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