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RE: Atto UL2D firmware summary - Question for OSXG |
November, 16, 2002 1:30 PM |
gregoryy |
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ATTO did post a utility and firmware, even for PSC, but NOT for UL2D. Try the [url=http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=58484& SaveKCWindowURL=http%3A%2F%2Fkbase.info.apple.com%2Fcgi- bin%2FWebObjects%2Fkbase.woa%2Fwa%2FSaveKCToHomePage& searchMode=Assisted&kbhost=kbase.info.apple.com&showButton=false& randomValue=100&showSurvey=true&sessionID=anonymous|147840851] Apple KB Article [/url] on the dual channel ATTO UL2D. [quote] This article provides information regarding the Ultra2 SCSI card version 2. This card has only been certified for use on the Power Mac G4 (AGP Graphics) and is not supported on other Power Macintosh computers. [/url] I am using it in Beige G3 Rev A (as I said earlier) with 1.64 retail firmware (after using the SCSI hack to convert it from OEM to retail). So it does boot OS X but only on native G3 systems or later. And maybe Vintage just isn't where its at. I mean System Disk 3.3.1 works perhaps even better than XPF 2.2.4 for swiitching back and forth AFTER you have installed OS X. Beige works better, and B&W really is made to work, and you can buy used units for a lot less than say $25/hr and 20 hrs of madness. I bought a 7300 to upgrade so I could test things out and help some other people. The ATTO PSCd card that OWC is what I use (narrow 20MHz connector though). |
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RE: Atto UL2D firmware summary - Question for OSXG |
November, 16, 2002 10:44 AM |
cnk_coleman |
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I have a ATTO UL2D card and 2 IBM Ultra160 drives attached. It has the latest firmware 1.6x and will boot just fine off OS9. I did the work around of installing 10.2 on the IBM drives by installing the kernal on both the onboard SCSI drive and the PCI SCSI drives. Then at drive selection time I chose the PCI drive and it installed just fine. BUT, it will not boot from the PCI drive no matter what I do. I talked to ATTO and they say that the UL2D/UL2S cards will not boot from 10x and there is no plans to make it boot from those cards. The UL3/UL4 series will be able to boot from 10x. Maybe if we write ATTO and let them know how we have been abandoned by them and that we won't buy there products in the future we can either piss them off to Mac users or spur them on to include UL2 series cards to be included in the upgrade. Chuck |
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RE: Atto UL2D firmware summary - Question for OSXG |
November, 16, 2002 4:39 AM |
paul_findley |
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System Disk 3.3.1 - no go. Behaves like xPostFacto. I was able to install OS X on a LVD scsi drive hooked up to the ATTO U2LD card in the following way (ATTO 1.4.3f1 firmware as delivered by OWC, Mac 8500 with XLR8 carrier, owc G3 400MHz). Started install (10.2) to the LVD drive. Reboot would fail with a grey screen and diagonal line (like a european verboten road sign). Started install onto a regular 50-pin scsi on the stock scsi bus. So now, I have kernel extensions loaded on both drives. Reboot of the installer CD now works, because of the kernel extensions on the 50-pin drive (I guess). When it comes time to choose the target drive for install, I pick the LVD drive (breaking the xPostFacto rules a bit). Installation and multiple restarts from the LVD drive go without a hitch until . . . I boot into OS 9, and then try to reselect the LVD drive for OS X (with either System Disk 3.3.1 or xPostFacto). I get a black screen for a few minutes, and then it finally lights up and uses the OS 9 partition (also on the LVD drive) to boot into OS 9. So it really seems to be a problem of System Disk 3.3.1 or xPostFacto not being able to choose a drive running off the ATTO card. But it should be patchable, because the installation CD was able to mark the new installation on the LVD drive for reboot. OSXGURU: Help! Any plans to try to address this problem? I hate to do it, but I'm about to put a redundant OS X install on the 50-pin drive, just so I can choose the LVD drive from the Sys Preference pane. I think someone here said that would work. |
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Atto UL2D firmware summary - Question for OSXGuru |
November, 14, 2002 6:53 PM |
marcush |
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What about using the Darwin System Disk Utility? I use System Disk 3.3.1 to change the boot disk to my OSX volume when I'm in 9.x.x. |
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Atto UL2D firmware summary - Question for OSXGuru |
November, 14, 2002 6:26 PM |
kbata |
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I think I flashed is first under OS 9. The trick is to have another drive on the system running OS X so that you can use that to set the drive on the Atto card as the start up drive. I think the problem isn't that the card wont boot under X. It's that you can't use XPF or OS 9's utilities to set it as the start up drive. Anyone know if this card works with OS X and 9 on a Beige G3? |
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RE: Atto UL2D firmware summary - More on My Config |
November, 14, 2002 6:10 PM |
earlyd |
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Forgot to mention that in my case I have an Active Terminator plug on the last plug of the ribbon cable. Dunno if that has anything to do with it. Also, since I got my card from OWC, I'm assuming it was an Apple OEM if I remember the description correctly. --Dwight |
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RE: Atto UL2D firmware summary - Question for OSXG |
November, 14, 2002 4:47 AM |
muri |
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kbata, did you flash the card with Atto software after installing OsX? With this version you can't boot from 9 (and can't use XPF) but maybe it's still bootable once X is already installed ... |
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RE: Atto UL2D firmware summary - Question for OSXG |
November, 14, 2002 1:32 AM |
marcush |
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Oops. I forgot that this was already tried. Perhaps not with this method but failed to see in jeglin's original post that he'd tried this firmware. |
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Check out os9forever |
November, 14, 2002 1:30 AM |
marcush |
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There is a firmware updater for the ATTO Express PCI PSC at os9forever.com that says it will write the Apple OEM firmware to the card. The description says that the firmware was what came with ATTO cards that shipped with Apple systems. The firmware version it installs is 1.6.4f0. Does anyone know if this will work? |
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Atto UL2D firmware summary - Question for OSXGuru |
November, 13, 2002 7:12 PM |
kbata |
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I am using 10.2.2. I have used this card since 10.0. I think it's an Apple OEM card because it only has one internal connection. It has been flashed with Atto's software. |
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RE: Atto UL2D firmware summary - Question for OSXG |
November, 13, 2002 1:30 PM |
greg831 |
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Another question for kbata. Is your UL2D an original ATTO card or is it one of the Apple OEM cards? |
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RE: Atto UL2D firmware summary - Question for OSXG |
November, 13, 2002 11:39 AM |
muri |
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kbata, are you using 10.1.5 or 10.2? |
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Atto UL2D firmware summary - Question for OSXGuru |
November, 13, 2002 6:58 AM |
kbata |
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My computer has been booting with the Atto UL2D card. Here are the specs. PM8500 Atto Express PCI Pro UL2D Flash Version 1.6.4F0 Driver Version 1.1.0 Quantum 10k II 18 gig UW2 drive on Atto Card. Boot Drive Quantum 10k II 18 gig UW@ drive 2nd internal drive on Atto card XLR8 G4 450 Carrier Card ATI Mac Radion Card Orange USB 2.0/Firewire card 768 megs ram, All OWC 128 The card runs X fine but has the problem with extensions booting into 9. If I try to boot into 9 I can't get back to 10 using XPF. The only way I have been able to get back is to put a drive onto my internal SCSI and boot into 9 using that. Then I need to set that drive as the OS X drive with XPF. Once booted into X on the the drive attached to the internal SCSI I can set my drive on the Atto card as the start up. Needless to say I don't use 9 on this CPU any more. If I need to do a major upgrade such as installing Jag I set my backup drive as the start up drive. Pull my main drive and put it in my second computer that has a PSC card in it and load from there. |
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RE: Atto UL2D firmware summary - Question for OSXG |
November, 12, 2002 10:01 PM |
earlyd416 |
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Opps. Let's see if this is better. --Dwight 8600/200 with Powerlogix PowerForce G4/450/225/1MB card RAM: 512MB (4-128MB EDO DIMM with another 4 ready to insert) Internal SCSI: Quantum 4GB (empty) & Seagate Barracuda 9GB (Classic & 10.2) External (Built-in) SCSI: APS (Sanyo) CD-R 8x (used in 9.1) PCI Slot #1: ATTO UL2D with 2 Atlas III 18G PCI Slot #2: Powerlogix Rapid Fire USB & Firewire card with USB Mouse & Camera and Sony 1600L Firewire CD-RW PCI Slot #3: ATI Radeon 32MB video card |
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RE: Atto UL2D firmware summary - Dwight's 8600 |
November, 12, 2002 9:59 PM |
earlyd416 |
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OK. I miss spoke - I've only got 10.1.5 on my UL2D SCSI Chain. I have been running 10.2 off of a test drive on my internal SCSI buss for the last month, trying to get this freeze thing worked out. That said, I am posting this msg running 10.1.5 off the ATTO booted drive - I have 2 Atlas III 18GB drives on this chain. I think I'm using XPF 2.2 for this 10.1.5 boot. (How do I tell?) One drive is dedicated to all my 9.1 applications, which I have a lot of. The other drive runs 10.1.5. My Classic 9.1 runs off a small partition on the test drive. As soon as I'm confortable that I have the problems worked out on the 10.2 test drive, I will use CCL (copy utility) to copy it over onto the Atlas dedicated to Mac OS X. However, I can boot/run 9.1 & 10.1.5 from my ATTO UL2D from OWC with fireware 1.43f1. --Dwight 8600/200 with Powerlogix PowerForce G4/450/225/1MB card RAM: 512MB (4-128MB EDO DIMM with anothe 4 ready to insert) Internal SCSI: Quantum 4GB (empty) & Seagate Barracuda 9GB (Classic & 10.2) External (Built-in) SCSI: APS (Sanyo) CD-R 8x (used in 9.1) PCI Slot #1: ATTO UL2D with 2 Atlas III 18G PCI Slot #2: Powerlogix Rapid Fire USB & Firewire card with USB Mouse & Camera and Sony 1600L Firewire CD-RW PCI Slot #3: ATI Radeon 32MB video card |
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RE: Atto UL2D firmware summary - Question for OSXG |
November, 12, 2002 7:24 PM |
mjoecups358 |
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I gotta work on my spelling |
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RE: Atto UL2D firmware summary - Question for OSXG |
November, 12, 2002 7:23 PM |
mjoecups358 |
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Huh, I have a known good install on a 68Pin U160 Quantum drive, which boots fine from either my express PCI PSC or my Adaptec 39160N (don't buy one of these). This drive will NOT boot from the ATTO U2D that OWC sells with the 1.43f1 firmware as they deliver it. I take it from reading this thread that some people do have this card set up to boot, but interestingly these people are completly deliquint in delivering details. ie Which firmware version, what drive, what mac, which system, which XPF version? I am using the default 1.43f firmware under 10.22 and it works ok for a data drive, but will NOT boot. Marty PowertowerPro, powerwave, PM8500, PM9600. XPF 2.24 :~) |
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RE: Atto UL2D firmware summary - Question for OSXG |
November, 12, 2002 7:00 PM |
muri |
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greg, the link was for tony who had a PSC card ... I wouldn't do that on a UL2D card!! Tim, is your firmware 143 or 143f1? Maybe apple's firmware is based on 143 but is not exactly the same (f1) ... Maurizio |
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RE: Atto UL2D firmware summary - Question for OSXG |
November, 12, 2002 12:47 AM |
jeglin |
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oops. Thanks for pointing that out, greg831. |
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RE: Atto UL2D firmware summary - Question for OSXG |
November, 11, 2002 1:49 PM |
greg831 |
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The post on xlr8yourmac refers to an ATTO PSC, not an UL2D. So I would imagine trying to use that application (SCSI Card updater) to flash an UL2D either would not work, or would produce some very bad results. |
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RE: Atto UL2D firmware summary - Question for OSXG |
November, 11, 2002 12:06 AM |
jeglin |
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My OWC card also had 1.4.3f1 but it would *not* boot in OSX, nor would any other version (see my original post). Dwight, I wish those of us in this boat knew what was special about you :-) What computer and slot do you have the Atto/OWC card in? |
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RE: Atto UL2D firmware summary - Question for OSXG |
November, 10, 2002 8:53 PM |
tbuckley |
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Muri, I did flash mine to 1.6.4 only to find it would hardly work at all (9.1 or X) . I did flash it back to 1.4.3, it works fine now in 9 but I havent tried it with X yet. But from the way it sounds I might not be able to . Tim |
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RE: Atto UL2D firmware summary - Question for OSXG |
November, 10, 2002 3:28 PM |
muri |
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Dwight, Only people (like me ) who have updated the card's firmware with a newer one (not apple firmware) has lost the ability to boot from X on old world macs ... the problem: is it possible to reflash the card with 1.4.3f1 firmware? Can anybody help? |
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RE: Atto UL2D firmware summary - Question for OSXG |
November, 10, 2002 2:23 PM |
gregoryy |
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Tony, After reading that you were using 1.6.x (1.6.4?) firmware, I decided to go ahead and update firmware also on Beige G3 (rev A even!) and it works fine. I had installed Dev Tools and the latest ADC Java 1.4.1 but that somehow prevented booting and I ended up being unable to clone a new system from IDE to SCSI, so I decided to try the 1.6.4 firmware at that point. I've also got PSCd card in 7300 but it gives me trouble with an IBM OEM Ultrastar (TOO MANY OEMs that don't get along). That drive works fine in B*W or Beige setup maybe because the PSCd and/or 2940U2B just can't handle it? IBM uses upper 512k of cache for firmware in their drives. It seems possible - and likely? - that booting from Jaguar Install #1 may try to update firmware or do something else. I won't use XPF again on Beige. I'm not as hopeful it is harmless. Spent a full day, 10+ hrs, to get my Beige back to 10.2.1 after a clean install. Note: attempts to archive + install would STALL. twice. Attempt to clone had an error blessing the system (using CCC). HAD to finally repartition to get things working. I definitely have had repeated tests of trouble when moving a drive from one computer to another and having to reformat, damaged boot blocks, even two drives that won't even initialize or LLF anymore as a result of moving. Maybe the firmware or something else, but taking a drive from NewWorld B*W to 7300 might boot once. I would get "invalid BSD file" errors in Disk Utility, mount check errors in DFA 9.2, errors in boot blocks repaired by Disk Warrior. And it doesn't seem worth the effort with a mere G3/400 7300, it runs 9.1, but I'm having trouble even getting THAT to work. Very frustrating long hours. Gregory |
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RE: Atto UL2D firmware |
November, 09, 2002 7:43 AM |
earlyd |
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The card I bought from OWC has firmware 1.4.3f1. It boots into 10.2. No problems. --Dwight |