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March, 10, 2003 11:38 AM |
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Sorry if this is not in the right place, but I'm having similar issues in my 8500. System setup: 8500 w/crescendo/pci G4 450 480 megs ram internal drives (3): - 2 SCSI running on internal bus (one has OS9, the other OSX) - 1 on the ACard ATA-100+ external stuff: - Zip Drive (100) - CDRW (Yamaha CRW4416S) - Works in OSX! - Epson ES-1200C scanner - doesn't work in OSX (another issue for another area) anyhow, my sound problem is like this: regular sounds (alerts, email beeps, etc.) work all day, until...any attempt to use iTunes, MacCast, RealOne with any sreaming or on-streaming (music CD's or MP3 CD's) will cut out ALL sound. What's worse is these apps don't respond to anything I try short of a reboot. For instance, in iTunes, toggling play/pause or trying to get a different steam - nothing happens. I'm open to suggestion, but it sounds like others are having similar issues which don't have a common thread for solving it. Thanks, Tom |
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March, 07, 2003 2:12 AM |
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I've got the same problem as everyone here (except it's happening on my 9500). The sound problems didn't start until the 10.2.4 update. Following the lead of one of the threads I pulled every extension that has audio in its name and used Pacifist to reinstall versions from 10.2.3 which had previously worked. No joy. It must be something else. |
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March, 03, 2003 9:44 PM |
rusty |
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My problem sounds just like a post in the RE: Sound output problem in System X? thread: March, 03, 2003Â 6:46 PM rjbailey I get a system chime when I restart the computer, and if I open the Sound panel on System Preferences right away I can make the computer beep a few times. After that, nothing. Heavy disk access doesn't seem to have much to do with it. |
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March, 03, 2003 7:00 PM |
rusty |
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OK, here's my situation. Symptoms seem the same as others. Sound works OK after reboot in Sound Prefpane. Also, iTunes may start to work, maybe not. Here is my configuration; 7500 XLR8 366 MHz G3 upgrade card Sonnet Tango USB/Firewire 640 megs RAM (isn't the price of RAM unbelievable?!) OS X 10.2.4 fully updated via Software Update Boot drive: Compaq 18 gig, 10,000 rpm SCSI internal As an aside, most of my iTunes music is on an external 80gig Firewire drive, but files on my boot disc won't work either. Thanks for this board and thanks for your help. Rusty |
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February, 27, 2003 8:19 AM |
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Wuhuu!!! The sound is now working perfectly on my 7500. First I installed the 10.1.3 version of the AppleOnboardAudio.kext file, this had no or little effect. My next step was to install the ver. 2.0 of the USB 2 drivers for my Tempo Trio card, after a reboot the sound works pefectly. I dont know if is the USB drivers or the AppleOnboardAudio.kext file or perhaps both that solved the sound problem. Thanks again everyone that has helped. |
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February, 25, 2003 7:17 AM |
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I have been looking for the version you mentioned, but I cant seem to find it anywhere. Maybe I can persuade you to mail it to me, or maybe post it somewhere??? thanx |
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February, 24, 2003 11:30 PM |
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I had similar problems with sound break-up/loss on my 7500/100 upgraded with: Sonnet G4/800, 1GB RAM, Sonnet Temp Trio, Radeon 7000, Asante 690 10/100 NIC, IBM Deskstar 120GB IDE hard disk, SCSI Zip drive, Toshiba SD-R1102 IDE CD-R/W-DVD combo drive, Microsoft USB keyboard and mouse. Sometime in December I upgraded to the Sonnet PCI X Installer 1.2.6 along with the Sonnet Crescendo 2.0.2 software and OSX 10.2.3. Magically all of my sound problems went away, I could play ripped CD tracks via iTunes and Age of Kings didn’t lose sound in the intro movie. Flash forward to January, I noticed that Sonnet had released an updated USB 2.0 driver for the Trio card (USB2EHCI_v3_0) and decided to upgrade. Bad move! After the required restart my system would no longer boot, just a circle with a slash on the apple screen. Not being particularly Mac savvy, I booted OS 9, wiped my OSX partition and reinstalled OSX only to find that my sound problems were back. I tried everything I could think of, but nothing worked until today I realized that I had never reinstalled any USB 2.0 drivers for the Trio card. After installing the previous version of the Sonnet USB 2.0 drivers for Jaguar (USB2EHCI_v2_0) my sound problems were once again fixed. Hope this helps, - Doug |
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February, 22, 2003 5:23 AM |
simon.moller |
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I just received a mail from sonnettech, and it said that they are not planning to make a os x version of the AV Tool, the reason for this is that they have not received enough requests or reports of problems from customers, but if they did receive requests or reports of problems from customers then they would make a os x version. So apparently the problem is definetly with the IDE cards in general. hmmmm. My SCSI drive is only 2 gigs. Not much fun there!!! |
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February, 21, 2003 9:16 PM |
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I've gone back to SCSI on my 7500 500/Sonnet. The only thing still hooked up to my Sonnet ATA 100 card is my Plexwriter CD burner, and I don't have any music or video going when I use it. Since going back to SCSI on HDs, my sound seems okay. jg |
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February, 21, 2003 6:18 AM |
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FWIW, there's a thread on the Apple discussion board about sound stopping, requiring a restart to restore. http://discussions.info.apple.com/WebX?50@0.vPWMaDtghTC.15@.3bbf22df/0 You experts may glean something from this. |
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February, 20, 2003 10:56 PM |
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Hi All" Simon, I'm not certain it is limited to Sonnet's cards only. I suspect, from reading other's posts that it is an ATA problem in general, at least on the PM 7500/PM 8500 motherboards (I am told that the 7500 is the same motherboard as the 8500 but mounted in a different case). Lonnie |
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February, 20, 2003 9:42 PM |
fixitjc |
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update on my earlier post: upgraded to 10.2.4 still no sound problems. Still a straight SCSI machine seems to be as fast as 9.1 |
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February, 20, 2003 7:25 PM |
simon.moller |
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No sound on my 7500 either. Well thats after I put in my Tempo Trio card with a 40 gig ibm drive. As some of you suggested I tried installing os x on my scsi drive and the sound works but as soon as I copy or load a file from my IDE drive the sound stutters and eventually dissapears. When I had OS X on my IDE drive the sound would only play for a couple of seconds before dissapearing. I can gather from your threads that this apparently is a incompatibility with Sonnets Tempo Trio and other IDE cards. But Sonnet says that this card is compatible with OS X. Their wrong, thats why the should get their act together and come up with a sollution for this problem. Do you agree?? Lets all complain to them. Or maybe our little Guru can help us?? :-) 7500/g3/400/400ram/TempoTrio/40IBM/2SCSI/ |
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February, 18, 2003 4:02 PM |
jbell |
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I have a problem that if I leave iTunes playing for long periods of time it will suddently stop. It will look like it's playing except for the time not moving but the play button is "lit". and I get no audio out of any application. I can't seem to trace where it's coming from but a reboot fixes it. Any ideas? G3/400 10.2.4 |
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February, 16, 2003 10:24 PM |
ltking |
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Hi All: An update on at least this PM8500, sound and OS X: At the suggestion of a forum member who contacted me by e-mail, I took a 9Gb SCSI drive I had on another system, cleaned it off, reformatted it to HFS+ and installed OS X on it while it was attached to the external SCSI port on my test PM8500. The software installed (using Sonnet's installer) without a hitch. AND, THE SOUND WAS AND HAS CONTINUED TO REMAIN NORMAL when I run from the OS X installed on the SCSI drive. When running from the OS X installed on the Maxtor IDE drive attached to the Tempo Trio card it is choppy -> gone as usual. As a side benefit of this test, I then removed the Trio card and Maxtor drive (an 80Gb unit) and was able to install my Adaptec 2930U card. OS X will recognize this card and attached drives but will not boot from a drive attached to it. I now have a Tempo Trio card and an 80Gb Maxtor (133) drive for sale if anyone is interested. Cheers, Lonnie |
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February, 08, 2003 11:20 PM |
ltking |
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Hi All: Ah h h Yes! The Emperor has no clothes!! I've got my PM 8500 booting and rebooting reliably, under 10.2 now using the Radeon 7000 video card. HOWEVER, COMMA; there is no sound. What is the point of trying to get OS X to run on these things if one cannot taka advantage of what was supposed to be the life style electronics center??? I am becoming less impressed by the hour folks. Oh, and by the way, I am EXTREMELY SUSPICIOUS of an incompatibility between the Sonnet Tech Tempo Trio and the Adaptec 2930U SCSI card. To put it bluntly, after installing the 2930U drivers the system reboots normally UNTIL I install the actual 2930U card. Then it simply does NOT Boot. Does anyone know any thing about conflicts between the Initio-Miles cards and the Tempo series of cards? Assuming for the moment that someone somewhere figures out how to fix the "lack of sound" problem (because then I might continue to fuss with this system), I would like to be able to configure a relatively high speed SCSI port for this system. Cheers, Lonnie ltking |
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February, 06, 2003 5:57 PM |
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Hi all, Here's my 2 cents, I have a 9600, 832 MB RAM, G3 450 Sonnet, ATI Radeon 7000, SCSI 4 GB HD (original) & SCSI 16 GB HD, USB & FireWire card. I run OS X from the original 4 GB, installing on the 16 GB was giving problems. I had the no-sound problem when I first installed 10.1 a while back. When I did the Security Update and then the Combo Update to 10.1.5, lo and behold, I had sound! Now I'm running 10.2.3 and sound is working just fine, except that I can't set the volume at system level, but I read that has to do with XPF and can't be solved at this time. Hope this information does someone some good :-) Cheers, Jonck |
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February, 06, 2003 2:51 PM |
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I think all of the old world Macs have the sound problem to one degree or another. On mine I can play Itunes fine most of the time but if I launch something thats disk intensive it will cause Itunes to stutter. If I turn off Itunes quick enough I can still use it once the operation finishes. If I don't get it turned off in time I need to reboot to get sound back. I read on another forum that replacing OS X's sound extension with an older version fixes the problem in some cases. I would think that this solution would be undone each time a system update comes along. http://homepage.mac.com/anthonyvu/ It's not bad enough on mine for me to bother with but it might be worth a shot for those who's sound is unusable. I would at least wait till after the 10.2.4 update to try this since it should be out any day and may fix the problem. PM8500 XLR8 Carrier w/450 G4 Atto UL2D SCSI card 2, Quantum 10kII 18 gig drives 10.2.3 |
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February, 06, 2003 12:39 PM |
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I have had no problems with sound on my 7500 (VAL-4 for anyone who cares) whether running 10.1.5 or 10.2.3. Running Sonnet G4/800, Radeon 7000, Sonnet Tango FW/USB card. Booting from 9 GB IBM 80-50pin adapted. Other HD is stock 1GB Quantum Fireball and a Lite-on 48246S CD-RW. The ONLY time I have had sound drop out on me was when I installed the PCI Extreme hack to enable QE. The sound remained on while running iTunes Visualizer in Full-screen mode. Upon switching back to normal (ie non- fullscreen mode), the sound dropped out and would not return until restart. This would happen using a CD in either CD drive: Lite-on or stock Apple. Originally, I thought the sound issue must be ATA related. (I never went that route... my spidey sense told me not to.) But if other people are having trouble with it on SCSI platforms.... maybe its a PCI saturation issue? Just a thought from the aurally-enabled. |
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February, 06, 2003 11:16 AM |
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Sound dies quickly in my 8500 with no ATA devices, only SCSI. |
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February, 05, 2003 11:32 PM |
otisjones |
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My 8500 sound dies quickly in 10.2, but did not in 10.1.5. I too have an ATA HD. |
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February, 05, 2003 9:01 PM |
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I running 10.2.3 on a 7500 with G3 500 / 1Mb, 576 Mb ram, orange micro usb / firewire card, radeon 7000 and SIIG ATA 133 card. My OS X boot drive is an 80 Gb seagate connected to the ATA card. Upon bootup sound usually works and seems to work with such things as Toast, iTunes, Real Player, etc. however, quicktime usually kills it pretty quickly. After that, it can only be fixed with a re-boot. Odd thing is that I was able to watch a 5 minute real time clip from Steve's keynote, but as soon as I started watch movie trailers w/ quicktime, the sound died after about 1 minute. For whatever reason, sound seems a little harder to kill now than when I originally installed but I don't know that I have really done anything to affect it. Haven't made any hardware changes since the install. |
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February, 05, 2003 8:33 AM |
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It's nice to hear that some folks are solving the mysterious and illusive OS X sound problem on their legacy Power Macs in various ways. I lose sound almost immediately in OS 10.2.3 when I boot (or use for any I/O) a 40 GB ATA, connected to a Sonnet Tempo ATA 100 card . For about two weeks now I have been booting OS 10.2.3 from an old 68 pin Western Digital 4GB SCSI with a 50 pin adapter on the internal bus, and dismount the 40 GB ATA HD from the desktop immediately after booting. Every aspect of sound works, if the ATA drive is left out of the equasion by dismounting it. If the ATA HD is left ON the desktop, the system sound will be mute before too long. But I need the 40 GB HD for applications! For the record, the other system specs are a PM 8500, G4 400 daughter card, 160 MB assorted RAM, and a generic USB card. I have been reading the comments on this forum related to the sound problem and trying, without success, to find the reasons why some setups work while others don't. However, my technical skills are limited. May I suggest that anyone who can help, post a comment to this thread related to sound on legacy Macs, working or not working. System specs will help a lot. I feel the information that could lead to a solution is out there if it could just be brought together is one place. Thanks, Mike M. p.s. my best guess to date is still that using an ATA HD is somehow the problem, and somehow other types of ATA devices are OK. |
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February, 04, 2003 10:33 PM |
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from reading many of the threads it appears to be ATA related. I have just the original onboard SCSI running 3-9 gig 80 pin w/50 pin adapters two on the internl (fast) and one on the (slow) external bus with an Apple CD drive also on the internal and a CDR and a Scanner on the external. No sound problems. running 10.2.3 |
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February, 04, 2003 7:53 PM |
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I changed my 7500 logic board to a 7600 one that I bought on ebay for $18.99 including shipping from Macglobal (sales@globaldeals.com). I'm running 10.2.2 & it has fixed my sound problems! Just a note though the two boards look pretty much identical including the machine id 68, but there must be some difference. |