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Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 Success |
March, 12, 2003 9:21 AM |
nmizgala |
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Hey people, just wanted to give a report on another sucessfull flashing! The card in question was a Radeon 7000 32MB part# 100-430290 bought from CompUSA for $40 ($50-$10 rebate). The process used was the original one of flashing the fake ROM in the PC and then doing the official ROM in the Mac. The worst problem of the whole process was trying to get the PC to cooperate (problems with the PC seeing the card)! The card is working fine and currently resides in a Beige G3. :-) I'm curious about tracking down a 64MB card. The part numbers I have heard of have been #100-430284 and #100-430295. Does anybody have some insight about if these cards will work with the ROM flash and where to buy them? |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
March, 11, 2003 1:57 AM |
mjoecups358 |
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I bought a 32M Radeon 7000 for PC, which included the DVI and Svideo connectors. If you want to flash one of these to mac IT MUST BE THE DDR VERSION. I used the one step PC flash process and the card works well, including DVD playback via svideo, which was needed by me. The 3D gaming still looks a hair shakey, although I see now that the rom I flashed is overclocked for the card I'm using. I will reflash again tomorrow with the 166/166Mhz Rom and see if that fixes the gaming ugliness. Marty PS the XPF selecting output display trick worked for me too... |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
March, 08, 2003 2:37 PM |
tomquinlan |
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Gary, I was having the same problem with the Apple screen not appearing, so I was glad to read about your response. I did exactly as you said with XPostFacto except that when I went back into MacOS 9 and XPostFacto to recheck "Auto Boot" I also set the input back to none (which was previously set to "keyboard"). When I restarted into X there was no Apple screen again (there HAD BEEN after I typed "boot" in Manual Boot mode. I went back into OS 9 (and XPostFacto) and checked the keyboard in "input". This time it worked, which makes me wonder if we even had to do the step where we unchecked "Auto Boot". Maybe the next person that reads this can try checking "keyboard" in the "input" section of XPostFacto. It may save a boot back into 9. By the way, I answered my own question about dual Radeons. After reading about everyone's success with flashing the PC Radeons, I couldn't wait to give it a try so I enlisted a PC friend to help me with the PC flashing part. When I brought the card home I removed my OLD ATI card and put in the PC Radeon right above the Mac Radeon in the bottom two PCI slots. The VGA connector is a little too close to the bottom of my 9500 to get a snug fit, but it works having it plugged in at an angle so I'm not in any hurry to shave down the case of the 9500. Anyway, after booting with one monitor plugged into the Mac Radeon, I ran the Mac ROM v208 Update in MacOS X and both Radeons were updated to the new ROM. When the ROM updater was done it required a reboot and the monitor plugged into the PC Radeon began to work. I am VERY happy with this setup. MacOS X is running silky smooth. Configuration: 9500 (was 200 604e) Sonnet G4/700 608mb RAM Mac Radeon 7000/32mb for two 15" monitors flanking the 19" below PC Radeon (now Mac) 7000/64mb with 19" monitor Firewire Card - 2 port USB Card - 4 port Sonnet ATA Controller Tom |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
March, 08, 2003 11:56 AM |
gturnbul |
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I have the blank boot problem fixed. Here is what I did: 1 - deselect autoboot in Xpostfacto 2 - select output device in Xpostfacto (your video card) 3 - select input device in Xpostfacto (your keyboard) 4 - reboot to OS X 5 - at open firmware screen type "boot" 6 - reboot from OS X to OS9 7 - select autoboot in Xpostfacto 8 - reboot to OS X Now I get the gray Apple screen when I boot. :-) |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
March, 08, 2003 10:49 AM |
gturnbul |
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lei1, thank you for the tip. Unfortunately, this did not work for me? I have also tried the Reinstall BootX and Reinstall Extensions under the Advanced menu in Xpostfacto, to no avail though. Gary |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
March, 08, 2003 12:13 AM |
lei1 |
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Gary, you need to launch Xpostfacto in 9 and under the "open firmware" menu set the "output-device" to recognize your card. Upon reboot you should see the apple screen. |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
March, 07, 2003 10:10 PM |
gturnbul |
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I flashed my 64MB Radeon (100-430295) on Tuesday. Everything went well, and now have a nice speed boost. The only negative is that I do not see the gray apple boot screen anymore; the monitor finally turns on at the blue screen. When I started the computer for the first time, after the flash, I though something had gone wrong, but I guess this is normal?? I would like to thank everyone who shared this great flash tip. It has given a bit more kick to my old machine at a reasonable price. :-) Gary |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
March, 07, 2003 9:54 AM |
tomquinlan |
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Is anyone using TWO Radeons? I am running 3 monitors: a 19" as my primary, and a 14" and 15" off to either side to accomodate all the Photoshop Pallets etc. I bought a real Mac Radeon before I read this forum and I have the 19" and 15" hooked up to it. The 14" is hooked up to an OLD ATI card. Performance overall is VERY good since I installed the Sonnet Tuneup (I just the Sonnet PCI G4 700 for a PowerMac 9500/200), but it starts to chug a little when the "Screen Effects" screen saver kicks in (it shows a different picture on all three monitors - very cool) What I'd like to do is get another Radeon (either the 32 or the 64mb) and dedicate it to the 19" and use the Mac Radeon for the 14" and 15". Has anyone tried running TWO Radeons? I have not flashed the Mac Radeon, so will I need to update it as well as the PC Radeon? Thanks in advance. Tom |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
March, 06, 2003 4:47 PM |
lexxel |
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Ok. i did not open the files I got from this url http://homepage.mac.com/nickis_que because they were OSX format.. I have just booted into X and realized all the files needed are here. Thanks to this person who has all the files on this homepage. I thought they were only the mac208rom files, but it is everything needed. I am now going to try the flash process. |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
March, 06, 2003 4:34 PM |
lexxel |
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this link http://people.freenet.de/amichalak/flash7000.sit 3 where the pc files are supposedly located... is the one I cannot understand. German??? Babelfish seems unable to translate. Is this a dead link??? or is the D/L there somewhere?? |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
March, 06, 2003 4:30 PM |
lexxel |
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I went to the german forum, and I used a link mentioned there to D/L the PC FILES. The page was in German??? I couldnt tell where to D/L from. I _know_ it has to be done on a pc... all I am asking for is the location of the PC FILES. There is a warning on the forum not to use google, etc, to locate the files, so I am asking for a known _good_ source. Could someone pls post an english url??? Or send the files to me driectly lexxel@sent.com I have the mac208rom, I only need the pc files. It is really _not_ very helpful to be told there's more than enough info to figure it out myself... I have tried to find the files and am asking for help... would appreciate help, something other than a "find it yourself" post. Thank you. |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
March, 06, 2003 3:38 PM |
willschou1 |
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" RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) March, 05, 2003 9:24 PM lexxel . re the step-by-step instructions... I went to the page where the pc files are located, and it is in some other language I can't read, and babelfish seems unable to translate... anyone have a source for these files pls? Just got my 64MB R7000 today." I don't know what site you were at but clearly not the german forum listed here. There is more then enough English posts to follow. You do need a PC that can boot into Dos and someone who knows how to do Dos commands or you are out of luck. At this point it can't be done on a Mac. |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
March, 05, 2003 9:24 PM |
lexxel |
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re the step-by-step instructions... I went to the page where the pc files are located, and it is in some other language I can't read, and babelfish seems unable to translate... anyone have a source for these files pls? Just got my 64MB R7000 today. |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
March, 05, 2003 7:16 PM |
mymacintosh |
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Flashed my Radeon 7000 64MB DDR PCI (part number 100-430295 on the outside of the box) in my PC using the FLASHROM.EXE and the M208FULL.BIN rom and it works great!!!! My only question is this... Does anyone know if this will work with a 7500 Radeon as well???? |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
March, 05, 2003 4:09 PM |
willschou1 |
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"RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) February, 28, 2003 2:41 PM macman . For those of us who spent the $ to get a 7k Mac edition, are the memory differences/speed grounds to get one of these PC cards? Stephen" IMHO no, once flashed the Sapphire 32mb card is basicly the same card as the Mac 7000. Sapphire seems to be using a wide range of ram chips with different speeds on their 32mb cards. So some cards run faster then others but none run faster then 183 mhz which is the speed of the Mac 7000. In fact most of them run at 166mhz due to the ram speeds. Not sure how this affects the real world use of the card. just for info the Mac Edition ATI (non 7000) was 166mhz speed. The Sapphire 64 mb card on the other hand is like the Mac 7000 but with twice the Video ram. Not sure about real world advantages. Someone has said this would result in faster and smoother playing games and other apps that require large amounts of Video RAM. |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
March, 05, 2003 2:16 PM |
powderhaus |
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ummmmmmm, They say you can't use ATI's flasher because it contains a compressed version of the ROM and will only decompress when it is activated. But i was thinking that after the flashing is complete there is a file it leves behind that contains the ROM uncompressed so, would it be possable to use that to flash it using a Mac? The old PC i found on the side of the road is looking helpless so i need a way to use a mac to do this. |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
March, 05, 2003 2:02 PM |
powderhaus |
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Thanks alot, i can't believe i missed the post, thanks again |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
March, 03, 2003 11:17 PM |
chrisdold |
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powderhaus, Check out the link I had in my previous post if you still want info on what changes needed to be made to the ROM. There is a post on that forum that explains how to modify the 7000 ROM. It's quite easy for this card. The procedure should be the same for most video ROMs. |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
February, 28, 2003 8:40 PM |
powderhaus |
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I have to get this PC up and running first (it is the only desktop PC we have and it was on the side of the road so it may never come back... I am interested on how you modified the ROM, i have been thinking of ways but none have succeded. I could for the time being overclock my Radeon orig and see how it goes... I still have the old IXmicro that came with it so no need to worry if i go overboard :) |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
February, 28, 2003 6:25 PM |
chrisdold |
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I received my Sapphire Radeon 7000 PCI from newegg.com yesterday. It cost me $44 with free shipping. I have finished the flashing and am quite pleased with everything. The card is dual-head so it can drive a VGA and DVI monitor at the same time. I had to modify the ROM to set the clock speeds down to 166, which is the default for the Sapphire card, from the 183, which is the default for the 7000 Mac version, to eliminate some artifacts that were present when the card rendered 3D. Besides that, everything is perfect. Very well supported in my PM7500 in both OS9 and OSX, and a HUGE improvement over the Voodoo 3 I had when using OSX!!! If you are going to undertake this project, I would highly recommend using the complete 208 Mac ROM when flashing the card so you don't have to use the 208 ROM Updater in the Mac. It simplifies the process and you don't have to put an invalid ROM on the card. The 208 Mac ROM is called M208FULL.bin or M208FULL.ROM. You can find more information about it at this thread: http://www.falkemedia.com/cgi-bin/forum/forum.cgi?board=hardware;action=display;num=1045243482;start=180 Happy flashing! |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
February, 28, 2003 2:58 PM |
powderhaus |
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rrrrrr cheap PC crap doesn't even have DVI rrrrrrrrrr I guess i don't see doing this in my near furure... unless we can get a newer card dto work... |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
February, 28, 2003 2:41 PM |
macman |
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For those of us who spent the $ to get a 7k Mac edition, are the memory differences/speed grounds to get one of these PC cards? Stephen |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
February, 27, 2003 9:24 PM |
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Step by step! I am dehydrated from all this Genie stuff. Way too much drool. QE is really nice on these old machines. At least on the PCI 33mhz side of things, I don't notice much slowdown, UNLESS, I play MP3's (320kbps), or am Recording a CD. These two seem to cause the graphics to lag like 3fps less, but still usable. No heat issues, but I will mention that the radeon chipset does get pretty warm. Memory stays cool. I will note that my friends Powerbase with the mac edition 32mb is not as fast as my 64mb seems. Could be the extra 32mb? Here is the step by step. 1. Get a PC that can boot Win9x and DOS, with Extra PCI Slot. 2. Download http://people.freenet.de/amichalak/flash7000.sit 3. This is a stuffit file, but Stuffit for PC can open it just fine. It has the PC's Flashrom program for DOS that you need. Any way, you MUST Obtain these files: DOS4GW.exe FLASHROM.exe FLASHROM.rom FLASHROM_COMMANDS mac7k.bin 4. The file above (the http) has the files for the PC if you can open the SIT file on the PC via Stuffit or something. Ether way, if you have another source, you need the R7K Flashrom.exe program (do NOT Download from Google- some sites have flashing programs for other hardware under flashrom.exe). You should obtain the mac7k.bin- it is just a "screwed" mac ROM so the ATI Flasher will flash the card. 5. Create a boot disk, ether under WXP by the Boot Disk option of W9X. Don't worry about startup things in the Config.sys or Autoexec, they don't matter anyways. 6. Copy the Flash files above to the DOS Boot disk. 7. REBOOT The computer with the RADEON in it, (does not matter if you have a second AGP card) booting from the boot diskette. 8. Listen very carefully. Wrong switches or flashing something stupid like a WAV file into your card will probobly kill it for good. 9. Type this in DOS at the A: (or whatever your floppy is). flashrom -i This will give you the information about your card. There is a Device ID colume. The card you are looking for should have the numbers in its row of 5159, and something about DDR (64DDR, 32DDR, etc). Remember THIS device's ID. So it would say the ID Number, then the 5159, and 64DDR or whatever. I just mean to pick the correct device, cause if you flash your real PC's ATI card (if you have one), you in das poop. 10. Type the following to save the PC ROM (just in case, optional). I'd do it cause if you need warentee, ATI will laugh at you when they relise what you did (you would have to flash it back if you have warentee or other problems). flashrom -s * pc7krom.bin Where * is the Device ID Number (from the info). This will save your PC R7K bios under pc7krom.bin. Thanks to the above person for providing this information (I am going off his website). 11. type this CAREFULLY. flashrom -pm * mac7k.bin -f This will flash the Mac7k.bin Bad BIOS to the Card. The above Stuffit file has the file here. * is Device ID. Once this is done, pull the card (power down the system FIRST). 12. Pray. 13. Get the Radeon v208 Updater. It does have the 119 or whatever the previous version too should you need to flash that, but flash the v208 FIRST. Then you can backdown to 119 or whatever should you need to. http://homepage.mac.com/nickis_que/.cv/nickis_que/Public/Radeon7000.d mg.gz-link.gz Is the HTTP. Thanks to Nickis for providing this for us! It contains the PC tools and etc, AND the 208 (now extinct thanks to ATI) updater. Run the v208 Updater. Preferrably under OS 9.x. It will say to install the update- check ONLY ONE which the version you want. Remember- "Install" the v208 ROM FIRST. Then you can reinstall the v119 (or whatever it is) afterwards. Once you click Install, it will show a progress bar for the new firmware being loaded. Once it hits 100%. Good. Veddy good iGor. 14. Remove your OLD adapter or UNPLUG your ONBOARD Monitor video. Otherwise, you will get video, but it will be a secondary monitor and will NOT show anything like the bootup and anything else (just backgrounds of the current screen). Don't be like me and leave it plugged into the onboard and freak when it doesn't come up properly. Plug the monitor into the Radeon (do I need steps for this?). Boot into OS 9. DO NOT Boot into OS X. You will encounter some strange problems (trust me). If OS 9 comes up, reset OS 9's Monitors settings. They WILL be different. If all is well, just check under the Sys Profiler to make sure it comes up as the ATI Card (not the PCI,2900 or whatever it is) for the Display card. 15. Run XPostFacto. If you are like me- you will see TWO cards under the Output of XPF. Set the output to the "A" Card. NOT the "B" Card. I think B is for the non-existant DVI Port (the chipset supports it- just no components on the PCB as both PCB's are the same). Set the input for Keyboard if you haven't already. Clicka za Veeboot zbutoon. (reboot.). 16. OS X Should come up. Might have a PCI Slot thing- you MIGHT have to put your Radeon in a specific PCI slot (dunno though). My OS X came up just fine, and everything was fast as hell. No ATI Drivers, just the OS X Drivers. OpenGL works just fine. 50-60 FPS. 17. If you want, get PCI Extreme and enable QE. The only real difference I see is that the Genie Effect, Dragging, and, oh, well, just about EVERYthing is more smoother. But I will note that things like MP3 and CD Burning can make the graphics lag by anout 5-6fps less (no biggy), but I noticed that this is basically manifested in the Dock's magnification. Genie Effect and scrolling, dragging, etc, all seems apparently uneffected by MP3 or Burning. It did do this before- without QE- but not as much (it was somewhat laggy to begin with). Ether or, with or without QE, HUGE FREAKIN' PREFORMANCE INCREASE. GUI is lovely usable again. Otherwise. Happy flashin'. PS. Checked the components against my other friends MAC Edition Radeon. All components, on the PCB, and what traces I can see are IDENTICAL (except the 64mb DDR on mine) and the missing DVI/TV Components. Therefor that is the only difference- same PCB, just no DVI or TV, and different BIOS Software (same size BIOS chip, ST Flash EEPROM). Quick little ones. Hurry before the evil Corperate ATI grabs our goodies and revises them again! As far as I can tell (and the Mac), it IS the ATI card now. In every aspect of what is installed on the card. I presume that all future releases of the software for such card should think the same too. Have phun' hackin the hardware! -Keven Tipping |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
February, 27, 2003 8:05 PM |
geo4u911 |
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Tippingj Please go through it step by step how you got the 64mgb 7000 ATI card to work. Thanks, George D. |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
February, 27, 2003 6:47 PM |
gturnbul |
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Ahh! Cut it out, tippingj! You have got me salivating. :-) My ATI is on order, and should be here next week. Can't wait! |
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