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RE: radeon w/64MEGS?????OEM??? |
August, 29, 2003 8:52 PM |
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The Amazon link does list AGP as a system requirement, but if you download and read the manual pdf it definitely lists a Radeon 7000 for either PCI or AGP. Only the 7020 is AGP only. Also, the manual lists the 7000 as either 32 or 64 MB. J&R music world (seller) is right in NYC, across from City Hall by the Brooklyn Bridge entrance. I have shopped there before and they are about as Mac friendly as any retail computer store (meaning that they do carry Mac parts and accessories). I would like to hear from someone who has tried this - if the 64MB Radeon 7000 exists (and it seems to) and it can be flashed for Mac usage (I think that this has been covered several times), then there should be no reason for it not to work. I am utterly convinced, through prior experience (and jseibyl can back me up) that if you don't know that it won't work, it often does! |
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RE: radeon w/64MEGS?????OEM??? |
August, 29, 2003 4:35 PM |
jseibyl |
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Sonnet g4 800 1 meg L3 cache, 1 gig interleaved EDO RAM PM9500 I have a feeling there will be more threads coming on the 64 meg radeon 7000 PCI.....Congrats on your oddball aquisistion! TOO FUNNY! :-) I had a g4 700, but sold that so I could upgrade. "too much is NEVER enough" -Bob Dobbs- |
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RE: radeon w/64MEGS?????OEM??? |
August, 29, 2003 2:32 PM |
voxxdigital |
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Weird... I never heard of a Mac Edition with 64MB - but lucky you anyway! Well, I'm just caught myself ordering a Radeon 7000 64MB...!! No comments... Which processor do you have anyway? Mine is a Sonnet G3/400, 512k cache on a PM9600. |
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RE: radeon w/64MEGS?????OEM??? |
August, 29, 2003 10:10 AM |
jseibyl |
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Correction.... It is the RADEON 7000 MAC EDITION - PCI with 64 MB NOT sapphire, no DVI or TV, I can live with that if it works.... |
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RE: radeon w/64MEGS?????OEM??? |
August, 29, 2003 9:56 AM |
jseibyl |
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Okay this card is on the way! The seller says he has the mac drivers, etc. The picture shows only the single vga out, so I am thinking it is a sappire. Souldn't need to be flashed if it is mac. I am hoping that it will work with my current radeon drivers, so hopefully it will be just a simple swap out on the 9500. I do say that WITH caution:-) At that point, I will take my current Radeon 32 meg, and plop it into my spare 8500. All this because I want to see if 10.2 is faster than 10.2.6, and I dont want to do that on my main machine....who knew it would be an upgrade at a cheap price.......I think the propeller in my head just got a little bigger.... Voxdigital-I get two-three bounces and no beachball on my current machine on 10.2.6 for sys prefs....IF no other apps are running in the backgroud...last time I did it, I had PhotoShp, Classic, Premire, and Illustrator running...forgot about that..... |
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RE: radeon w/64MEGS?????OEM??? |
August, 29, 2003 6:03 AM |
voxxdigital |
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Hey willschou, in fact there's something wrong with the videocardhq site. The title says PCI in big capital letters, but the small tech specs says AGP. Confusing. But the my mislead was because of their error. But did you open the Amazon page I posted here? That one really seemes to be PCI (or Amazon is on the risk of getting a false advertising lawsuit). This is one of the customers review: "...Great card for mid-level users w/out AGP, January 4, 2003 Reviewer: devinmc from Manlius, NY United States This is an excellent card. When I first purchased it, I read some reviews about what a nightmare it was to install on Windows XP. I have a Gateway with onboard video and all I did was disable the onboard video, pop the card in and install the drivers from CD and had absolutely no problems. the card is stable and provides excellent 3d and 2d video for the price. If you are a mid-level user without any AGP slots, I highly recommend this card as it is probably the best you are going to get from PCI Bus " And this one is ATI retail, not Sapphire. |
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RE: radeon w/64MEGS?????OEM??? |
August, 29, 2003 5:49 AM |
jseibyl |
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Interesting.... Voxdigital-yeah I know about Quartz Extreme, I have tinkered with Pci Extreme to enable it, but for video, as posted, not great. the screen effects are snappier with it and games seem to be better. willschou1-Thanks for the info, I appreciate it. Sounds like this actually DOES exsist, hmmmm, might be nice to double the RAM and enable PCI Extreme....video??? |
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RE: radeon w/64MEGS?????OEM??? |
August, 29, 2003 1:18 AM |
willschou1 |
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. "OK, here's the Sapphire Radeon 7000 PCI 64Mb for sale (retail, new) in the USA: http://www.videocardhq.com/hardware/partinfo-id-16685.html" Nice try but no cigar!!,This is an ATI AGP slot card not even close. A search shows they don't carry any Sapphire cards. I've checked all over and still haven't been able to find a USA source for the 64mb cards. Doesn't mean they can't be bought but I've followed endless false leads. Yes, as I already posted the ATI PC radeon 64mb/32mb card are both Mac flashable just like the Sapphire. However they are the same price or higher in most cases and only have the vga port out. No DVI nor TV out like the Sapphire and Mac 7000 cards. |
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RE: radeon w/64MEGS?????OEM??? |
August, 28, 2003 9:30 PM |
worldalex |
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Well I am glad willschou1 was able to help out. I got my info from the German site before a lot of the posts were deleated. Quite snotty folk if I do say so. Don't get me wrong, there were some fine, wonderful and helpful folk, but quite a few wankers, or French wanabees. Anyhow, I bought one of the 32MB Sapphire cards first. Very fast, very nice. I then found a 64MB retail Radeon for $40 shipped, which was $24 cheaper than at my local Wal-Mart. I just checked the site I got it from and they are selling the card for $68 now and are out of stock at that. Anyways, the card is great. For Glide based games I still prefer my Voodoo, but for everything else including OS X, I love the Radeon. At nearly half the Radeon Mac Edition price, it is a great deal. Remember, it must had DDR RAM, stay away from SDR. All of ATI's Radeon seem to use DDR, but the off brands use either. |
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RE: radeon w/64MEGS RETAIL ATI shipped worldwide |
August, 28, 2003 8:39 PM |
voxxdigital |
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http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000065U8S/ref=cm_wl_ovu- pg.1-pos.1/104-3416094-3592703?v=glance&coliid=I1332PX2CNQJWF& me=A3LJ5WMKNRFKQS This is the RETAIL ATI Radeon 7000 PCI 64MB DDR at Amazon.com Hope this one is as flashable as Sapphire's ! |
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RE: radeon w/64MEGS?????OEM??? |
August, 28, 2003 7:19 PM |
voxxdigital |
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OK, here's the Sapphire Radeon 7000 PCI 64Mb for sale (retail, new) in the USA: http://www.videocardhq.com/hardware/partinfo-id-16685.html |
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RE: radeon w/64MEGS?????OEM??? |
August, 28, 2003 6:53 PM |
willschou1 |
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You guys are finding out about flashing PC Radeon 7000 cards a bit on the late side ;-) The Supermac (Umax clone) forum was a buzz about this several months ago! It's sort of a learning experience to read the posts here and realize much of what is posted is just plan wild guesses or wrong info. Sorry for the bluntness. The PCI ATI 7000 32 & 64 mb cards flash and run just fine on a Mac! They are once flashed jsut like the Mac Radeon 7000 card except they are much cheaper and only have one vga port out. No DVI port nor TV out like the Mac card. The good news is the listed 64mb card: "1025670300515159 would verify a product BUILT BY ATI. Note that BUILT BY ATI products do NOT include alpha-numeric 102 Part Numbers. 1025-B4030-123-SA would verify a product POWERED BY ATI." is correct info.This is the Sapphire ATI Radeon PC 7000 PCI DDR 64 mb card. It has VGA, DVI and TV out just like the Mac 7000 card but with double the RAM. Once flashed this is the best available PCI Mac card. Sapphire is a german company and their cards are mostly sold only in Europe,Japan and Russia. They are also the OEM for the built for ATI cards. Which means they also build/make the ATI 7000 cards! So these aren't some flacky third party cards like the Power Color and another brand I can't think of now. The 64 mb version of the card is very hard to come by in the USA. However the 32 mb Sapphire card is avaiable by www from two USA companies and cheap! Apox $39-41.00 USA including shipping! www.newegg.com & www.allstarshop.com both have the Sapphire 32mb cards the SDR ram cards don't work you need the DDR ram cards. I have been happily using my Sapphire 64mb Video card since apox Feb of 2003 great card and no issues once it's flashed correctly. It was shipped to me from London by a friend since you can't buy one in the USA unless you get lucky on EBAY.(sorry the UK company doesn't ship to the USA ) Most people will be very happy with the 32mb card and the price is right. Will S |
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RE: radeon w/64MEGS?????OEM??? |
August, 28, 2003 6:43 PM |
voxxdigital |
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Wordalex, that's really cool. I was referring to AGP only just because of the video editing issue. Now, where in the world (and in the web) can we find one of these cards for sale (new)? Could you post here the link for downloading the flasher? |
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RE: radeon w/64MEGS?????OEM??? |
August, 28, 2003 6:11 PM |
worldalex |
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My 2¢. The Radeon flasher from the German site does indeed work fine on 64MB cards. I know of it working on ATI's retail DDR Radeon 7000 64MB card. Works great, especially in OS X. As to QE on a PCI card, works fine, check xlr8yourmac.com, unless you plan on doing any heavy work. For web surfing and browsing the finder, writing papers, it is fine. Video editing, no! no. |
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RE: radeon w/64MEGS?????OEM??? |
August, 28, 2003 5:56 PM |
voxxdigital |
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Well, if it's true, that's very interesting. I wonder if I could find one of these new, retail for sale in the web. I think you're aware that QuartzXtreme is supposed to work on AGP cards only, don't you? |
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RE: radeon w/64MEGS?????OEM??? |
August, 28, 2003 5:44 PM |
jseibyl |
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It is listed on the ATI site as a radeon 7000 w/64 megs RAM. No descrip if mac or pc. In checking the site, the first three numbers are 102, the retail stuff all usually starts with 100,so this is what I found.... NOTE: Some third party manufacturers may also list what appears to be a 102 number, but there ARE differences: Example: 1025670300515159 would verify a product BUILT BY ATI. Note that BUILT BY ATI products do NOT include alpha-numeric 102 Part Numbers. 1025-B4030-123-SA would verify a product POWERED BY ATI. Product Description RADEON 7000 64MB DDR PCI VGA 11385503102 BIOS 1028551000 Part number So I know it is Built by ATI, but I still need to dig a bit to see if it is indeed a MAC card. I think it might be PC, but still not sure. Thanks for the response, I will let you know what I find on this mystery card. Just got this from seller.... "I bought the card on eBay in June to use on a Mac G4, and I have the Mac drivers CD that I received with it." voxxdigital-I have found this... http://www.ati.com/support/drivers/mac/atimacrom901.html It seems to be for a few cards PCI-not sure if it will do the trick or not, but if I do get this mystery radeon, I will try it. |
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RE: radeon w/64MEGS?????OEM??? |
August, 28, 2003 5:35 PM |
voxxdigital |
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By the way, I'm also looking for a cheap flashable Radeon, especially because I found a way to make QuartzXtreme acceleration to work with a PCI Radeon card (or GeForce, if compatible). Anyway, which flasher would wor with such card? All flashers I know above Radeon 7000 are for AGP cards. |
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RE: radeon w/64MEGS?????OEM??? |
August, 28, 2003 2:17 PM |
marcush |
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There are no Mac Specific 64MB PCI video cards in existence, unless it is a prototype that never made it to production. It is not even likely that the card will work. I would believe it. I tried flashing an Xstasy Radeon 9100 64MB PCI card but it did not work. Someone else in the xlr8yourmac.com forums also tried to do this without success. The only reported success was with a PowerColor Radeon 9100 64MB PCI card. That was noted in the french Mac site Macbidouille.com. I looked into getting one of these cards but they are no longer in production and I could not find one in retail channels at all. Neither US nor European vendors seem to have them anymore. I suppose it is possible that whomever it is that is selling this card has one of those. |
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