OEM UL3D/UL2D fail in PM9600 w/ OS9 and X-WHY? |
January, 28, 2003 12:25 PM |
mcolley |
My attempts at getting all my SCSI drives to work with my PM9600/G4/800 Sonnet have been frustrating. The OEM UL3D works great in OSX but freezes OS9 start-up. A reader told me the OEM UL2D will work but not as a boot drive in OSX, but okay as a boot in OS9. I ordered the card, installed it, only to find the same problem as the UL3D OEM.....okay w/ OSX but OS9.1 freezes...bummer. I've tried variations on the PCI slots and even removed my new Sonnet Tempo Trio ( FW/USB/ATA). Nothing seems to work. I'm tempted to put all my SCSI stuff up for sale and get 4 big 200G ATA's for the Tempo Trio, but I've never trusted IDE for audio/video editing and have over 300G of U160 IBM fast drives. On one attempt the UL2D did work with OS9.1 and mounted the drive, but when I was in X and changed the start up back to OS9, it wouldn't go back to OS9, etc. So, it appears that trying to run SCSI in OSX is very problematic and may require the retail version of UL3D to work in both OS's but I'm afraid to drop $350 to take a chance. Any success stories out there? Ideally, I'd like to run my U160 arrays, and use both channels on the Tempo Trio for huge memory options on this great old AV workstation before I eventually upgrade to a new machine. However, I'm getting frustrated enough to just stay with OS9 until that time. Also, many users have said OS9 is still much faster then X. I was wanting a more stable AV workstation with OSX but maybe that's not going to happen with an unsupported machine. Any comments and help would be appreciated. Thanks, Marshall |
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RE: OEM UL3D/UL2D fail in PM9600 w/ OS9 and X-WHY |
February, 01, 2003 8:47 PM |
earlyd416 |
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A long time ago, I read that LVD drives should be have active external termination. Thus, I have an active terminater on the last slot of the ribbon cable. I have never had a problem with any of my ATTO cards, including the UL2D which is currently running in my 8600/200 with a Powerlogix G4/450 CPU card. It's running firmware version 1.43f1 which is an Apple's OEM firmware. ATTO version 1.44 firmware should be equivalent. Additionally, my UL2D boots into either 10.2.3 or 9.1. So, check the firmware on the UL2D and, if it's not 1.44, then change it to 1.44. (I also have read on this forum that 1.5 also works.) Good luck. Hope this helps. --Dwight |
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February, 01, 2003 6:14 AM |
muri |
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I would try to provide termination with an internal LVD active terminator instead o the seagate onboard ... just to exclude any termination isuue. |
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February, 01, 2003 4:12 AM |
paul_findley |
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One more thing. OS 9.x takes a really long time to boot my system (esp. 9.2.2 installed with OS 9 helper). Most people would assume it is frozen (I did at first), but if you occupy yourself with something else for a minute or two, it finally gets past the slow point and finishes booting. I don't know what is causings this. But you might want to let it sit for a few minutes, and make sure OS 9 is really frozen. |
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January, 31, 2003 12:31 PM |
egonzales21 |
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go to http://www.focal.co.jp/1_PRODUCT/ATTO/ I am really perplexed with your situation. Could it be a corrputed system file on your OS 9 disk. Maybe a clean install of OS9 might help. Also from previous attempts at trying different firmware in UL2D I found that either the ISO 9660 and/or Foreigh File Access Extensions were the offending agents that caused system crashes but only in firmware greater than 1.5 when booting into 9. A clean install of 9 would be my best advice. If the system boots OK, then you can move your other extentions one by one and see if stability is maintained. Ed |
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RE: OEM UL3D/UL2D fail in PM9600 w/ OS9 and X-WHY |
January, 31, 2003 10:15 AM |
mcolley |
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Does anyone know where I can get the 1.5 firmware flasher for the UL2D? Only the latest 1.64 is offered on the ATTO site. You can e-mail it to me at mcolley@earthlink.net Thanks, Marshall |
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RE: OEM UL3D/UL2D fail in PM9600 w/ OS9 and X-WHY |
January, 30, 2003 9:47 PM |
mcolley |
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As to more info....I've tried different combinations of drives. etc to deal with what may be a termination issue. The test system I have is an IBM 18G U160 with a Seagate UW at the end of the chain to provide termination for the LVD drive. I've set the U160 LVD to either SE or not and it doesn't seem to make a difference. As to extensions off, Yes both the UL2D and UL3D will allow OS9 to boot with them off, so I spent long hours trying to see if it was an extension conflict that I could eliminate, but I ended up with an OS9.1 Base and then even cut that down more hoping to get it to boot. In the end I gave up because it appeared to be one of the needed extensions that are not even in the Extensions Manager's listing as one I could turn off, so it looks like it's a basic OS system extension or combination of such that causes the freeze. The OEM UL3D boots flawlessly and mounts the drives in OSX, UL2D does the same. My Adaptec 3940 boots right out of OS9.1 and mounts the two test drive set-up with no problems (but it doesn't work in OSX). So, the current termination arrangement works for both cards in OSX and with the 3940UW in OS9. I haven't tried the v. 1.5 firmware on the UL2D to see if it improves things in OS9. The UL3D will not let me flash the ROM because it knows it's not a retail version. I suppose I could try v.1.5 firmware on the UL2D, if it will flash as one reader has said. The Acard sounds promising even if it is a single channel card. I couldn't find it in a dual channel. Keep the info coming, the more the better. Thanks to all. Marshall |
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January, 30, 2003 9:19 AM |
egonzales21 |
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Marshall I have used the UL2D in a 7500,8500, and now 9600. I have used all the firmwares and have settled on 1.5. I do have had on and off problems getting everything to work but it always comes down to cables and termination. It would help to know what the exact type of drives you are trying to attach to your SCSI card: LVD or SE, 68pin or 50 pin, any external SCSI devices, etc. I have had OS 9 freeze on me and it is always a SCSI termination issue. The UL2D should work in your system. Hopefully more details will help us sort your problem out. Good Luck Ed |
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January, 30, 2003 8:41 AM |
muri |
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The UL2D is flashable even if it's an apple oem card (like mine) ... but with 1.4.1f1 it should work in X as well as 9 because it's the original Apple firmware. I guess switching to SE would not solve the problem: I have two LVD drives (IBM & Quantum) that works perfectly ... Did you try starting up sys 9 with extensions off? |
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RE: OEM UL3D/UL2D fail in PM9600 w/ OS9 and X-WHY |
January, 29, 2003 1:31 PM |
mcolley |
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I'm actually not having any problems with either of the cards in OSX, both will mount the drives. The UL3D seems to work the best. The PROBLEM is not being able to use the cards in OS9 since this freezes the start-up every time. I believe the UL2D has firmware 1.4.1f1 or someting like that (it's not in computer right now to check) the UL3D also has the older Apple firmware. Since these cards are both OEM , the ATTO firmware flash installers will not work as far as I know. I'll check out the ACARD and see if it's a possibility. I would settle for a single channel if necessary. I could even live with it not being able to boot in either OS since I have a Tempo Trio and can put the OS's on this drive since it's supposed to be bootable in both 9 and X. Even my old trusty Adaptec 3940 would do, but it doesn't seem to work in OSX but great in OS9....... Keep info coming......The more the better. Thank You, Marshall |
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January, 29, 2003 1:13 PM |
muri |
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go to http://www.focal.co.jp/1_PRODUCT/ATTO/ and get 1.5 firmware ... flash the card (UL2D ... don't know about UL3D) and reinstall XPF extensions from 2.2.5b7. Newer firmware don't work in old world macs and XPFb addresses a specific ATTO problem. |
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January, 29, 2003 3:28 AM |
paul_findley |
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I use the UL2Ds w/o problems in my 7500/800G4 and 8500/400G3. Diff LVD in the 7500 and single-ended in the 8500. Problems vanished with xPostFacto 2.2.5b2, and is still trouble-free with 2.2.5 final. Don't update ATTO firmware beyond version 1.5 for legacy compatibility (i.e., don't use the 1.6.4 flasher), unless you are using a beige G3 or later. Use option key or OS X startup pane to select OS 9 volume. Use xPostFacto 2.2.5 to select OS X volume. That works for me. |
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January, 28, 2003 4:39 PM |
lei1 |
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I own an ACARD AEC67160M Ultra 160 SCSI controller which is installed in my 9600. This card has worked seamlessly in both OS9 & OSX with two connected IBM 18.3GB drives. The only kicker is that the drives must have the "force SE" jumper enabled in order to ensure flawless performance in OSX (took me a year to figure that one out). I tried the ATTO cards but had nothing but problems (similar to yours but worse). The ACARD is the only one which seems to work in the pre-G3 macs without constant firmware flashing or start-up problems. It was also the least costly U160 option by far. FYI I am running a Sonnet 800MHz, USB card, firewire card, 10/100 card, Radeon 7000, 16/12/48 internal SCSI burner, 896MB RAM plus all the original stock stuff with zero problems. I found that the correct hardware is essential in OSX if you want stability. Unfortunately finding the correct hardware is "hit & miss" so you end up owning a lot of problematic components. I have a box full of such cards & drives waiting for a machine they will work in. |