Preparing to Install OSX Jaguar |
February, 09, 2003 9:33 AM |
rogr |
I have a 9600/233 upgraded to G3/400 with a Sonnet Crescendo PCI G3 processor, 2 internal SCSI hard drives (the original 4G and an IBM 9G - 80 pin adapted to 50 pin), serial printer and scanner, external 56k modem, and 2 USB ports installed on a PCI card. I plan to install OSX Jaguar (the version given free to teachers) on the 4G hard drive and everything else on the 9G. Before I begin. I'd like as much information and advice as I can get to avoid potential problems. I'm fairly new at this, so try to keep responses easy to understand. |
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RE: Preparing to Install OSX Jaguar |
February, 23, 2003 10:47 AM |
mitch707 |
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I understand. This stuff can get really wild. feel free to contact me. mitch707 at earthlink dot net. - mitch |
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RE: Preparing to Install OSX Jaguar |
February, 22, 2003 6:45 PM |
rogr |
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To mitch 707 - I haven't given up. I'll probably steel myself to reformat my hard drive, partition it, and try that. I've also contacted Sonet to see what they think about their software to enable the installation. They asked to see, and I sent them, a complete Apple Profile before they would advise me about purchasing their software. I do wonder, however, why I want to bother when my present system works so well. |
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RE: Preparing to Install OSX Jaguar |
February, 22, 2003 2:03 PM |
mitch707 |
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Rogr, did you get it to install? Giveup? Seek info elsewhere? Move to a PC? I'm curious - mitch |
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RE: Preparing to Install OSX Jaguar |
February, 20, 2003 6:05 PM |
mitch707 |
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Kbata-It's called Crescendo PCI G3, but it loads in the processor slot. Rogr-Is Jaguar going to be the only OS on the 4Gig and 9.x on the 9Gig? The reason I ask is that the OS+a few apps+ a game such as MOHAA and that 4Gig will be full! (been there-done that!) |
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RE: Preparing to Install OSX Jaguar |
February, 20, 2003 12:35 PM |
kbata |
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Are you sure that the processor is on a PCI card? Normally with your type of system the upgrade would plug in in the spot that the original processor card went. Assuming that it's not a PCI style upgrade card the first thing you should do is unplug the scanner and the printer. Remove the USB card for now. If you have a video card pull that also. The 8 gig limit doesn't apply to SCSI drives so there is no need to partition your 9 gig drive. You can leave you 9.1 installation as is on the 4 gig drive. Make sure that your SCSI chain is only terminated on the last drive on the ribbon. If you are still running into problems you should take a look at the log file that's created by Xpostfacto that could shed light on the problem. I'm not sure where that log file is but if you look at the Xpostfacto directions it should tell you. Chances are if you are getting a panic when it's starting to boot using the installation CD than your problem is probably hardware related. If it happens with all the extras pulled and your SCSI chain is set up correctly it may be that you have some RAM that X doesn't like. You might also turn down the throttle for the CPU using Xpostfacto and if you over-clocked you bus speed and CPU lower that also. |
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RE: Preparing to Install OSX Jaguar |
February, 20, 2003 8:48 AM |
mitch707 |
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rogr, is the 4gig partitioned? what are the partition sizes? |
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RE: Preparing to Install OSX Jaguar |
February, 20, 2003 6:35 AM |
jonck |
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Your configuration sounds very much like my own, so I will tell you what I did to get everything working, maybe it will help. First off I tried installing OS X to a new HD that I had partioned thus that the install would go on the first 8GB. This gave me huge problems and wasn't working at all. Then I used DiskWarrior to re-format the original 4GB HD and did the install on that. This worked beautifully! I didn't have sound untill 10.1.5 but ever since then sound has been fine. I know that OS X is very picky about SCSI setups of your HD's, and the problem that you are having sounds like the problems I was having when I tried installing on my bigger HD. My suggestion to you therefore is that you completely re-format the 4GB HD using DiskWarrior. Run OS 9 from a different HD. This worked for me anyway. HTH, Jonck |
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RE: Preparing to Install OSX Jaguar |
February, 19, 2003 11:01 AM |
rogr |
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Finally tried to install Jaguar onto the 4G hard drive which has only OS 9.1 on it, and can't get past Kernel Panic, very early in the procedure. I reboot into 9.1 holding the option key down, and try again using different versions of XPF.Is there anything I can try besides drastic stuff like removing USB Cards, reformatting hard drives, and such? I'm beginning to wonder if it's all worth it. |
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RE: Preparing to Install OSX Jaguar |
February, 10, 2003 7:15 AM |
jonck |
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About the 3 operating systems, what I did was install 9.2.2 using OS9Helper. I then installed 10.2.3 using XPF. Now I use the 9.2.2 install as classic as well as when I want to boot into OS 9. A plus of this method is that your preferences will always be up to date, whereas if you use 2 OS9's you will have to register all your software twice, set your personal settings twice etc... And it saves you about 250MB of HD space :-) Jonck |
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RE: Preparing to Install OSX Jaguar |
February, 09, 2003 4:49 PM |
powderhaus |
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I made 3 OS's, OSX, OS9, and classic on a firewire drive, this way you know x will not do anything to your OS9 drive, but i dont think you need to worry about that. I wanted all my Apps running off of my firewire drive so i just install them on the SCSI drive (3GB!) and then copy the App over to my firewire drive and then delete the one on my SCSI drive, some apps don't care and you can put them on the other drive but some put something in the system so they need to be installed on the SCSI drive so that the system things get put in the right place but the App itself just goes and looks in the same place for the extra things and prefs just as the one on the start up drive would do. |
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RE: Preparing to Install OSX Jaguar |
February, 09, 2003 4:20 PM |
mjoecups358 |
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That will work. When you say "everything else on the 9G" that could be a little tricky... You can move your Home directory(ies) to the 9G using the Netinfo Manager. Originally I wanted to do this too and I put all the Applications on to a second drive, but this doesn't work so well because some of the software updates look to find the Applications in the regular place. You might consider doing the install onto the 9 gig, as it would give a bit more breathing room, and it could be moved later to an faster SCSI card... Forget about the serial scanner (paperport?), and probably the serial printer, although if you are, or know a bigtime unix guy you might get the serial printer working via Gimpprint/Ghostscript/CUPS. marty |
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RE: Preparing to Install OSX Jaguar |
February, 09, 2003 3:07 PM |
rogr |
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I have 256 Megs of RAM. Another queston - what will Happen to 9.1? Will I wind up with 3 operating systems - 9.1, Classic, and X? |
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RE: Preparing to Install OSX Jaguar |
February, 09, 2003 10:00 AM |
powderhaus |
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You did not mention RAM, you going to want at least 300MB. OWC has good prices and fast delivery on RAM. You printer may not work either, I have an Apple color stylewriter 2400/2500 and it will not work and i know there is a thread going here looking for a way to fix this but i never bothered to check it out as i also have a newer USB printer. I don't know about the scanner either, it may have something to do with the serial ports and OSX but i do not know. Good luck, Jim |