Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
February, 17, 2003 1:47 PM |
mjoecups358 |
XLR8yourmac.com has a report from a german dude who has posted directions on successfully flashing the 64M PCI Radeon 7000 for PC card to a mac version. A real PC was required to achieve this (ie not VPC) This card cost about $40 in a quick check online. Ever feel like you've been cheated? He says it's running fine in his Beige G3 which is also a good sign for us. Marty PS I am going to try to email him regarding the Radeon 9000 PCI cards... Although I realize this is sketchy. |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
September, 01, 2003 1:53 PM |
voxxdigital |
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:-) |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
September, 01, 2003 12:34 PM |
earlyd |
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Bless you, my son! |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
September, 01, 2003 10:23 AM |
voxxdigital |
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Here's the ATI thread back... |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
July, 12, 2003 6:01 PM |
fixitjc |
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mrmac Most of us in this forum are glad to help if you are civil and are willing to actually try to do the work yourself. Here is a site you can use to translate the German to English or any other languages. http://www.systranbox.com/systran/box |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
July, 12, 2003 5:24 PM |
marcush |
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I've been looking around for more info on flashing the Radeon 9100, which is apparently a renamed Radeon 8500 in PCI form. There are some interesting links here that I've skimmed though. Has anyone here run across information on Flashing these cards? I'll be taking the card back to work on Monday to work on it some more. Any suggestions would be appreciated. I've had partial success in that the Visiontek Radeon 9100 64MB PCI card that I got is recognized by OS9.x but OSX won't boot. I also get a garbled display when my monitor is connected to the 9100 but ASP does see it and list card's information, including firmware version. |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
April, 03, 2003 5:05 AM |
willschou1 |
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Dear Mr MAC, If you think that site is mostly all German and there isn't enough info there for you to do the install then you may as well do us a favor and give up. Anyone who can't find what is right in front of them can't be helped. Sorry but it's true not eveyone is cut out to do this sort of thing and no amount of getting mad and name calling is going to change that! |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
April, 02, 2003 2:30 PM |
mjoecups358 |
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I'm sorry your mad at my curt response. I looked over the "german" forum, it's still all there and mostly in english too. Here is a sample. I make no promises or warrantees. Flash a PC version ATI 7000 PCI into a Macintosh version ATI 7000 PCI. I used a Retail box PC version RADEON 7000 32MB PCI 100-430290  Works really well thank you mitch!!!!!!  Here's instructions in english:  1. On a windows PC..  2. Make a windows boot disk (win98/XP can do this, or goto http://www.bootdisk.com )  3. Obtain a copy of flash utilty ATIFLASH at http://www.radeon2.ru/radedit_eng.html  or a direct link to it here http://www.radeon2.ru/bios/util/aflash2.rar  4. Unzip the ATIFLASH files to the windows boot disk  5. Obtain a Macintosh ROM file for the ATI 7000 PCI. Get it from http://www.falkemedia.com/cgi-bin/forum/forum.cgi?board=hardware;action= display;num=1045243482;start=0  or a direct link here http://people.freenet.de/amichalak/flash7000.sit  4. Unzip the Macintosh ROM file (mac7k.bin) to the windows boot disk  5. Shutdown the PC  6. Put the ATI 7000 PCI in a windows PC (leaving your current video card in, do not hook the ATI 7000 PCI to your monitor)  7. Boot up from the windows boot disk you created  8. Run ATIFLASH -i This will give you info on all ATI video cards in your system.The ATI 7000 PCI will show up as ID 5159 if it is the ATI Retail 32mb PCI 7000, with "DDR" in the description. There will be a device number to the left of the ID number , probably named 0 or 1. This is the number you will need to flash the card. If the ATI 7000 PCI is the ONLY ATI card in the system, this number will be 0. If the ATI 7000 PCI is NOT the only ( ATI only ) ATI video card in the system, the number will probably be 1.   Example 1, I have an AGP ATI Radeon which I am running my monitor on. I also have the ATI 7000 PCI in the system. The AGP Radeon will be device 0 and the ATI 7000 PCI will be device 1.  Example 2, I have an AGP NVIDIA GEFORCE which I am running my monitor on. I also have the ATI 7000 PCI in the system. ATI 7000 PCI will be device 0. The AGP NVIDIA GEFORCE will not be listed because this flash utility only identifies and lists ATI brand cards.  9. Now save your current ATI 7000 PCI ROM to a file with the command ATIFLASH -s 0 nameyourfile.bin The 0 could be 1 or 0 depending on what the ATIFLASH -i returned ATIFLASH -s 1 ati7kPC.bin  or ATIFLASH -s 0 ati7kPC.bin  should do the trick, your original is now safe on the floppy  10. Flash the Macintosh ROM onto the card with the command ATIFLASH -pm 0 mac7k.bin -f  (for device 0) ATIFLASH -pm 1 mac7k.bin -f  (for device 1)  Programing should begin (DO NOT INTERRUPT IT) and when it is done it will say something like "Flashed 12307 bytes"  11. Shutdown the PC and remove the ATI 7000 PCI.  Put the ATI 7000 PCI in your Macintosh(leaving your current video card in,do not hook the ATI 7000 PCI to your monitor).  12. Boot up the Macintosh and run the ATI v208 firmware update for the ATI 7000 PCI http://mirror.ati.com/support/drivers/mac/ati-radeon7000-mac-rom-208.htm l  13. Shutdown the Mac, remove the old video card and place the ATI 7000 PCI in the slot your previous video card was in, connect the monitor, boot the Mac and enjoy. Install current Macintosh ATI 7000 PCI drivers if you wish.  Marty again from here: So, to recap. The link to the discussion forum link is still good. It's mostly in english and there are 27 pages of it currently. http://www.falkemedia.com/cgi-bin/forum/forum.cgi?board=hardware;action=display;num=1045243482;start=0 It took about 5 minutes to go there and find the above. Instead of crying in this forum and being belligerent you could have done your own homework... Have a nice day! Marty |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
April, 02, 2003 12:19 AM |
terrancew_hod |
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There used to be pretty clear instructions on this thread, but it looks like it's been deleted. Unfortunately, mrmac, you're gonna have to sift through that german forum and find the link. The guy that created the hacked flasher has updated it and has probably moved the file to a different location. It's probably not in the same location due to bandwidth restrictions on his account. But mjoecups358 was doing good enough to let people on this forum know about the posting. He could have very well kept it to himself and a lot of people would be paying that $120+ for a card. And although it would be nice to have the same question answered over and over, if the answer is in one place, that should be checked first. I think everyone can agree that no one likes answering the same question multiple times. I think everyone made there way over there, gathered as much information as they could (and the file) and tried to flash the file. If they had a problem, then they would post the question. If you have a technical background, it shouldn't be too much of a big deal. If you have the latest file there were some instructions in it. mrmac, if you have the card already, go to the german forum (about halfway through) get the file, print and read the instructions in the file, find a PC that you can get into DOS and try it out. The file I got was set up so I'd only have to flash it on the pc. If you have problems once you get the file and flash it, post your question. I'm sure someone will help you. Terrance |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
April, 01, 2003 7:08 PM |
tempest |
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You're mistaken. Users of this forum is in no way obliged to help one another--they do so if they want to and that is dependent on how they have been asked. Sometimes people are put off when they're told "I need help in so-and-so, but use this format, provide detailed info, and by the way, don't give me this other pointer because it's of no help." That's similar as in the old Usenet days where people ask for help and say "use email because I don't read this newsgroup often"--lack of courtesy will get you nowhere. You'll have to slog through the threads elsewhere; but if you persist, I'm sure you'll be successful. I would help but I already have an original Mac 7K. |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
April, 01, 2003 6:00 PM |
mrmac |
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OHHHH I'm Sorry... I thought this was forum to help each other with problems, apparently nobody wants to help, rather just tell everybody whether or not they where successful. THe German site has no real good instructions...... Also there were atleast 25 posts in German, and about 15 in English. I consider that mostlty German and the fact that many of those post were very long!! Someone else ask for links and all that was posted was the German link. I've went through postings many times and there were NO GOOD instructions or where to download the flash.exe file. So do you think you (mjoecups358) that are better then everyone else!! It's pretty pathedic that you act like a little a grade schooler that has to act big by withholding info. I asked for help from the forum and you (mjoecups358) attack me and tell me to do my homework.... screw you!! mrmac |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) Six Slot Machines |
April, 01, 2003 5:31 PM |
tomquinlan |
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I am using the ATI Radeon 7000/64mb in slot 5 of a PowerMac 9500. Slot 6 has the Mac Radeon 7000. I have had no issues with either. Tom |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
April, 01, 2003 2:27 PM |
mjoecups358 |
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It's not "mostly" in german. Do your own homework. Look through the german forum. It switches to english at a point. It's pretty simple. If you can't figure it out yourself then you probably shouldn't be trying it. |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
April, 01, 2003 2:59 AM |
mrmac |
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Could someone please post all the info on how to flash these PC Radeon 7000 cards ... please give detailed info, plus the link to get this Windows exe file that does the flashing.... and please don't give a link to the German forum.... it's in mostly in German!! <- no help. Thanks for any help mrmac |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
March, 31, 2003 2:07 PM |
mjoecups358 |
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Yes, 3 and 6 were the two slots I tried.... Marty |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
March, 29, 2003 7:50 PM |
marcush |
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slot 6 is the factory slot. Also slot 3 in the 1st pci bus is another option. I remember reading long ago that either slot 6 or 3 are the best positions for video cards. |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
March, 29, 2003 6:35 PM |
mjoecups358 |
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That's interesting, because I also had trouble with a Sapphire 64M card in my PTP (9500). When the card was moved to a 7500 it worked fine? perhaps there is some issue with the 64M cards in 6 slot macs? I tried both the upper and lower slot, although the card did sometimes appear to work properly, more often then not it showed a trash display. Marty |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
March, 29, 2003 4:33 PM |
bannonth |
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Got my Radeon 7000 64MB DDR (single VGA out) and successfully flashed it using the new updater that doesn't require any further changes once the card is in the Mac. It stopped working in the PC at work which was a good sign. Then I moved it over to the 8500 at work and it worked great. I took it home and put it in my 9600 and I can't get anything. It sounds like OS 9.1 boots, but I can't see anything. This happens with the 7000 Mac Ed and the flashed PC 7000 64 and just with the PC 7000 alone. I don't remember what slot I tried it in in the 9600. Anyone find that one is prefered? I know that was an issue with the Mac Ed. card when trying to get 10.2 running. I've heard the 9600 has two seperate PCI busses and the placing one video card on each might give better performance then having both cards on the same one. Is this true? Does anyone know which slots correspond to which bus? Tom |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
March, 26, 2003 3:44 AM |
willschou1 |
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I was lucky enough to score one of the Sapphire 64mb dual-head with TV out cards. It's just like your Sapphire 32mb which is just like the ATI Mac 7000 except for it's 64mb. I wasn't able to run tests in OS 9.x but it does run well. In OSX (which is where I live these days)I did a fair amount of testing. I also had a single head ATI PC 7000 32mb card to compair. X Bench didn't show any difference between the 32 & 64mb cards. I also couldn't find much in the way of firm differences between the cards in everyday use. I did perhaps get a sense that Video such as SVCD and high quality DivX etc was perhaps a bit smoother but hard to be sure. I think the people who would really notice the difference would be dual head users who make heavy use of Video and graphics programs. The card splits the Video ram between the two screens so you get 32mb per screen. Much like having two Video cards! I'm also told that many games will play better as they wouldn't run out of Video ram. In any case it was cheaper then buying the Mac 7000 32mb! It isn't however available for sale in the USA. Mine came from a friend in the UK. The Sapphire 32mb card is really nice and a major bargin for $44.00 including shipping! In fact for the record Sapphire is the OEM (Original Equipment Manufacture) for the ATI 7000 cards! So they should indeed be one and the same once flashed. |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
March, 25, 2003 12:57 AM |
chrisdold |
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Just wante to throw out a reminder that the Sapphire 32M PC cards are dual-head. You can run any two of the VGA, DVI, and Svideo interfaces at the same time. I have not seen anyone do a benchmark on the performance gain, if any, of the 64Mb cards in an OldWorld Machine, but my suspecion is that the machines low Bus speed and PCI bottlenecks will cut down on most of the benefits of the 64Mb. The Sapphire card is also cheap. Mine was $44 including shipping. I usually stick to the motto for computers that bigger is always better, but I'm not sure the machines we are using these cards in are capable of taking that much advantage of the extra RAM. Anyone have proof of the contrary? |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
March, 24, 2003 10:38 PM |
lexxel |
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well my ebay price check seems a bit "off"... looks like the 32MB version is about $90US... so the 64MB PC Radeon at retail is still an excellent deal... I paid ~$75US for mine (taxes/delivery included). the part # is 100-430295 |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
March, 24, 2003 10:08 PM |
lexxel |
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The part number for the 64MB card is further down this post... likley on the next page.... but I must say, the prices of these mac edition cards on ebay have come down to about what the pc version costs... maybe 30US difference... is it really worth the hassle of flashing for 30 bucks? (US bucks) |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
March, 24, 2003 10:04 PM |
lexxel |
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Well finally after trying PC number 4, I got the flash to work. I guess the other 3 were too old. Sucessful PC was a P1 with the newer style ram(PC100 or soemthing). Also, when I sucessfully used the MAC208ROM on my mac, it seems to have fixed the rage card. Now this is likely software related somehow... but it seems weird that running the 208updater unsucessfully on the radeon (wasnt flashed on the pc properly at the time) would make the rage not work, and then the successful 208 makes it work again. Well I'm happy they both work. Radeon doesnt seem much faster thAn the Rage under os9, and I have yet to get a successful boot into X with the radeon. But I'm working on it... |
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RE: Radeon 64MB PCI 7000 |
March, 24, 2003 4:37 PM |
nmizgala |
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OK. Can anybody tell me what part # the 64MB card is and where specifically it can be ordered from? I'm sure someone has given the information before and I've just missed it. If so, I'm sorry. :-) |
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RE: Flashed Radeon PCI 7000 (PC) |
March, 24, 2003 2:19 PM |
mjoecups358 |
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This is the German discussion board. http://www.falkemedia.com/cgi-bin/forum/forum.cgi?board=hardware;action=display;num=1045243482 |