unable to boot from ATTO UD2L |
February, 25, 2003 6:50 PM |
dgautrey123 |
I recently purchased an ATTO UD2L scsi card from OWC in installed it in my 7300 along with a couple of WD hard drives. I installed OSX on this and all was fine except for it not waking up from a deep sleep. I then decided to try to upgrade the ROM from version 1.4.3f, oringinal apple rom, to a newer version to see if this would take care of the problem. Well I came to find out that it did not, there is no cure for this problem no matter which version of ROM you flash to, 1.44 or 1.5 or even 1.64., and to make matters worse my computer will no longer boot OSX at all, it just sits there with a blank screen. I have been reading all the past threads dealing with this problem and tried a number of suggestions but to no avail. Any help would be appreciated at this point. Thanks, David. PowerMac 7300, 512 megs of ram, ATI Rage Orion, ATTO UD2L, CompUSA USB/Firewire combo card. OS 10.2.4. 2 x WD 68 pin hard drives, 1 x 50 pin IBM 4.0 gig 50 pin SCSI drive - I have pulled out the floppy drive. |
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RE: unable to boot from ATTO UD2L |
March, 05, 2003 12:58 PM |
dgautrey123 |
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Well guys I got a new cable and an active terminator and still no joy, the minute I try to boot from the drive attached to the ATTO card under 10.2 the computer just hangs, the screen does not go dark, just goes grey, very bright, and nothing happens. It is almost as if the card has to be reconfigured to boot, it works fine under OS 9.1 boots etc.. I flashed the card from 1.5 back to 1.4.4f just to see if that changed anything but no joy. In the instructions provided when you flash the card it states "that parameters can be changed using the raid software", but I no not have this and cannot download it. Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks, David. |
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RE: unable to boot from ATTO UD2L |
March, 04, 2003 2:10 PM |
egonzales21 |
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David Also look into an active internal terminator. Should be around $20. Get a 68 pin ribbon designed to hold an active terminator at the end and of course the amount of connectors for the hard drives to be attached. My cable has 4 connectors: one for the SCSI adapter, two for hard drives, and the last for the terminator. LVD drives just work best with active termination. It is possible that the drives you have only provide passive termination. Ed |
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RE: unable to boot from ATTO UD2L |
March, 04, 2003 1:10 PM |
dgautrey123 |
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Ed, I am begginning to suspect that you are right because it would not work in my beige box either, that is it will not boot with a drive attached, I can access the drive attached to it under OS 10 if I boot from a different drive. I guess I will go pick up a new cable and try again. David. |
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RE: unable to boot from ATTO UD2L |
March, 03, 2003 10:25 PM |
egonzales21 |
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David, sorry it was a no go. If you are using XPF 2.2.5 it is not a software issue. My weekend was spent installing 10.2 onto an IDE drive attached to a Tempo 133 in my 9600. No problems what so ever except for the 8G limit. Since the Tempo sees the hard drive as ATA, the installer will not let you install to a partition greater than 8. I got around this by cloning my original 10.2 to the IDE drive with Retrospect. I then put my UL2D back into my older 7500 machine and installed 10.2 on a wide Maxtor 18G attached to the card. No problems either. The UL2D with firmware 1.4.4 or 1.5 should work. Maybe it is something as simple as a bad 68 pin cable. Check all the pins on the cable. Maybe with all the switching around a pin got bent. Keep on trying. It will work. Ed |
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RE: unable to boot from ATTO UD2L |
March, 03, 2003 9:45 PM |
dgautrey123 |
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Hi Ed, I hope you had a good weekend. I tried your suggestion, still no go. I did install OS 9.1 on the drive and it boots just fine. I am begginning to suspect that this is an XPF problem rather then a ATTO problem. I am going to try an install it in my beige G3 box, I will have to pull out my USB/Firecard and see what happens then. I will let you know the results. David. |
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RE: unable to boot from ATTO UD2L |
March, 01, 2003 5:51 PM |
paul_findley |
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I run two LVDs on the ATTO, with no problem booting X or 9 from either. Active term on cable end. I am at firmware 1.5. XPF 2.5.2. Only thing I can think of is that your ATTO card got damaged somehow, perhaps during one of the flashes. |
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RE: unable to boot from ATTO UD2L |
February, 28, 2003 12:11 PM |
dgautrey123 |
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Dwight, that is the same, 1.4.3f, as I had before all this trouble started, that is I tried to upgrade to get rid of the deep sleep problem which I have since learned is known problem and that ATTO is not planning any fix in the forseeable future. So whatever you do, do not upgrade/flash your card from where it is right now. Ed, thanks for those tips, I will try them out next week, probably Monday night and let you know how I get along. David. |
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RE: unable to boot from ATTO UD2L |
February, 28, 2003 11:30 AM |
egonzales21 |
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I checked the jumper setting for your WD 68 pin drive on their website. Apparently these older drives have termination activation on the drive themselves. One last ditch effort would be to use your 4G drive lst by itself on the ATTO card. I would set it for a SCSI ID of 6, enable termination (pin23&24) and leave term power off(pin27&28) All other pin settings should be left off so that the only jumpers will be the SCSI ID jumpers and the terminator jumper. If this works then we will work on your larger drive. Ed |
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RE: unable to boot from ATTO UD2L |
February, 28, 2003 10:14 AM |
earlyd416 |
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Dave, my ROM version is 1.43f which is an Apple version. The equivlant ATTO version is 1.44. --Dwight |
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RE: unable to boot from ATTO UD2L |
February, 28, 2003 10:05 AM |
dgautrey123 |
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Hi Ed, thanks for all your help so far. I installed OS 9.1 on the drive connected to the ATTO card last night, 4.3 WD Ultra2 LVD SCSI 68 pin, and it boots just fine. The problem seems to only related to booting from OS 10. At this point I do not know if it is related to termination, but why would it boot from 9.0 if this were the case?, or an XPF problem. There is one more thing I can try next week, mounting the card and drive in my Beige G3 box and see if it works in there, if it does then it points to an XPF problem, it not then it may be a card/ termination problem. I will let you know how I make out, I have to file my taxes though so it will not be as soon as I would like. David. |
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RE: unable to boot from ATTO UD2L |
February, 28, 2003 9:12 AM |
egonzales21 |
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Sorry it did not work. I do not think it is a problem with the firmware. Maybe something wrong with the card. As stated before, if using LVD drives and adapter, the last device on the chain has to be an active terminator. I have used the ATTO card in a 7500, a 8500, and now a 9600. An active internal terminator will fit in the area of the drives in a 7300. This active terminator is a must. Ed |
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RE: unable to boot from ATTO UD2L |
February, 28, 2003 12:05 AM |
dgautrey123 |
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Ed, well I followed your suggestion and reformated the 4.3 gig 68 pin drive using Apple's Disk Setup, I had to use the hack memtioned in the post below this one about formating an unsurported IBM drive. The result is still the same, the computer just hangs on restart. It would appear that I cannot boot from any drive attached to this card, I guess I have to try the active terminator on the drive unless you have any other suggestions. I still do not understand why it worked flawlessly before I flashed it to 1.4.4 and now it will not. I have reflashed it a couple of times but to no avail. David. |
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RE: unable to boot from ATTO UD2L |
February, 27, 2003 3:10 PM |
dgautrey123 |
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Ed, I will try your suggestion of reformating using OS 9.1 disk tools, I had originally formatted the drives using SpeedTools because I had been told that is was both OS 9 and OS 10 compatible and as I have said before they worked just fine with the original apple rom (1.4.3f), however at this point I am willing to try anything. I will also pick up an active terminator but they seem fairly large, maybe over one and half inches long and one inch deep, I am not sure that I can mount that in my 7300 in either drive bay, you run into the metal cage surrounding the pci and processor. Dwight, what version of ROM is your card running?. David. |
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RE: unable to boot from ATTO UD2L |
February, 27, 2003 12:49 PM |
egonzales21 |
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I can boot off any drive attached to my U2LD either with 10.2.x or 9.x Settled on firmware 1.5 because anything higher will not allow the attached drives to boot 9. Sorry I have not been able to help. Your last post mentioned something different though. What did you use to format these drives? It sounds like you reformatted in 10 and then rebooted back into 9. If this is correct then this may be the problem. My best results have always been when my hard drives are formatted using Apple Drive Setup in 9.1 or higher. Many people have had trouble when the drives are formatted in 10. Very important. The hard drive needs to be formatted in 9 not in 10 or the hard drive will not boot or mount using XPostfacto. Ed |
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RE: unable to boot from ATTO UD2L |
February, 27, 2003 11:31 AM |
earlyd416 |
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I have a ATTO UL2D (not UD2L) also with two Atlas 18GB drives off the card. On a LVD system, you need to have what they call "Active Termination". Thus, my last "slot" on my ribbon cable is an active termination plug. I've always been able to boot off the UL2D dirves even before XPF 2.2.5. I have OS 9 on one drive & OS 10.2.4 on the other. KISS principle apples. --Dwight |
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RE: unable to boot from ATTO UD2L |
February, 27, 2003 10:20 AM |
dgautrey123 |
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Ed, well I tried all of your suggestions to no avail, I evin booted into OS 10 reformated the drive attached to the card then booted back into OS9 and tried to reinstall the OS10 on the drive using XPF. As soon as I select install the computer goes thru the shut down process tries to restart and then just hangs. Considering the card was functioning perfectly except for the deep sleep issue with the Apple ROM version 1.4.3f it would appear to me at this point that my flashing of the ROM to a retail version, either 1.4.4 or 1.5 it does not seem to matter, has rendered it unbootable under OS 10.2. Can you boot from the drives with OS10 that are attached to your ATTO card?. At this point I am unable to figure out if the problem is with the cards firmware or with XPF. Any more ideas that I might try?. Again thanks for you time. David. |
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RE: unable to boot from ATTO UD2L |
February, 26, 2003 1:10 PM |
egonzales21 |
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Thanks for the details. I am not familiar with the exact hard drives but it may be a termination issue. Even though it worked before, maybe now you cannot get away with it. My LVD drives do not have true termination but have termination power options. It has always been my understanding that all LVD devices do not provide termination but that an extra internal active terminator is needed. If the drive that is 80-68 pin adapted does indeed provide true termination then you might try the other drive without termination. Only the last physical device on your chain has to be terminated. As for termination power, most SCSI adapters provide this for the card and the drives connected. With that stated, it probably is ok for at least one of the drives to provide this power. The difference between termination and term. power as I understand it simply is that termination is of course to provide a spot to prevent reflections of the SCSI signal. Termination power is what provide the voltage necessary for this to occur. They are not the same thing. In my setup I have two LVD drives (both 68 pin) connected to UL2D with a 4 connector cable. 1st of course is adapter, 2nd Maxtor 18GB with only the ID set, 3rd Maxtor 18GB with term power enabled, and finally 4th active LVD terminator. Let me know how the next step goes. Ed |
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RE: unable to boot from ATTO UD2L |
February, 26, 2003 10:24 AM |
dgautrey123 |
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Ed, yes both drives have system 10.2.4 installed, the larger - 9.0 gig is spilt into two partitions, one for 10.2.4 the other for 9.2.2. It is a 80 pin Ultra2 LVD SCSI. It has internal termination and scsi bus power enabled. The ID of the drive is also set on the drive itself. It was connected to the Atto card thru and 80 to 68 pin adapter. It is now connected to the internal scsi chain using a 80 to 50 pin adapter and boots just fine. The other drive is a 4.3 gig Ultra2 LVD SCSI 68 pin drive and is connected directly to the Atto card. It also has termination enabled and it has the id enabled. I also have a 500 gig drive containing OS 9.1 connected to the internal scsi which enables me to also boot if disaster occurs. It I boot from this drive with both of the Ultra SCSI's connected to the ATTO card they both mount and are accessible. If I dissconnec the 9.0 gig and connect it to the internal scsi then I can boot into OS 10 from there and the 4.3 gig drive in mounted and available. My problem is that if I connect both drives to the UL2D card and try to reboot using XPF 2.5 nothing happens. According to the XPF display it shows the following : boot- divice: pci1/ATTO,EpressPCIProUL2D@D,1@8:9 boot-command 0 bootr-y auto-boot?: true input-device: kbd output-device: pci1/ATY,Rage128@F Let me know if you need more info, I am stumped at this point and thanks for taking the time to try and help. David. |
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RE: unable to boot from ATTO UD2L |
February, 25, 2003 10:44 PM |
egonzales21 |
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Little clarification needed. Do both of your drives have OS X installed, thus the internal SCSI works but not the card or does one have X and the other 9. If both drives are connected to the UL2D are you using them in LVD mode with internal active terminator or are both 68-50 pin adapted. When system booted into 9 with both drives attached to ATTO, do both drives mount? Ed |
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RE: unable to boot from ATTO UD2L |
February, 25, 2003 10:24 PM |
dgautrey123 |
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Ed, I managed to get it to boot by putting one of my 68 pin drives back on the internal scsi bus with a 68 pin to 50 pin adapter. I am running 1.4.4 on the UD2L card, I tried the options that you suggested but when I try to boot from the ATTO card I just get a blank sreen and no hard drive activity whatsoever. When I boot from the drive connected to the internal scsi I can see and access the drive connected to the ATTO card. Any more ideas that I might try?. It seems that by overwritting the Apple rom I have lost the ability to boot from this card. |
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RE: unable to boot from ATTO UD2L |
February, 25, 2003 9:33 PM |
egonzales21 |
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What firmware on your UL2D card? Stick with 1.5 or less. This makes it compatable with either 9 or X. I have never tried deep sleep. Ryan has always said from beginning that it may corrupt hard drvie. Try booting back into your base 9 system. If you have a disk repair utility you might try that first. Though it may not help, but worth a try, select the reintall BootX and Xpostfacto extensions. Also be sure to select verbose mode and set your ouput-device in open firmware menu to Rage Orion. Let us know what happens. Ed |