Svideo out on Radeon Mac Edition? |
March, 04, 2003 1:33 PM |
mjoecups358 |
Hi, I have the original Mac edition Radeon in my Powerwave G4/420. It works great for 3d gaming and for DVD playback... I was trying to get the SVIDEO out to hook up to a little video monitor I have here and can't get that to work... Anyone out there achieved this? Thanks, Marty |
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RE: Svideo out on Radeon Mac Edition? |
March, 17, 2003 12:53 AM |
joevt |
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In the Displays preference panel, the simulscan modes ("640 x 480, 60 Hz Simulscan" and "800 x 600, 60 Hz Simulscan") appear at the beginning of the list of resolutions and the 6 NTSC and PAL modes are at the end of the list. For the simulscan modes to show up, you need both a VGA monitor and a video monitor connected to the Radeon. The VGA monitor probably needs to also support the resolution and frequency of the simulscan modes. The NTSC and PAL modes should always show up if a video monitor is connected and should not depend on the capabilities of whatever is connected to the VGA connector. |
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RE: Svideo out on Radeon Mac Edition? |
March, 14, 2003 6:21 AM |
gpotter |
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I'm glad to hear you're not mad or anything. :-) I went home last night and hooked everything up to my TV so I could write down what I saw (bad memory!). Once X booted, I immediately noticed 2 additional resolution settings in the monitors control. A "640 x 480, 60Hz Simulscan" and "800 x 600, 60Hz Simulscan" Then I opened up the ATI Displays utility to see what added options were there. There was an additional icon that looks like a TV below the icon that has a video camera on it. When you click on that, it adds 4 tabs: "Setup", "Sharpness", "Controls", and "Position and Size". The "Setup" tab has choices for Video Output On/Off, Video Standard NTSC/PAL and then a separate pane for Extra Setup that also has check boxes to turn on: Dot Crawl, B&W TV, Hardsync to TV, and Movie Mode. The "Sharpness" tab has two panes, one for Composite video and one for S-Video. There are three check boxes each under both of those headings to choose between Sharp, Sharper, and Sharpest. Next, the "Controls" tab has sliders to adjust: Anti-flicker, Brightness, Contrast, Hue, and Saturation. The last tab "Position and Size" has the typical circular arrangement of buttons to adjust the postion and size of the screen. I know this has been overly descriptive...I'm hoping it well help solve the problem for you guys. The only thing I'm unsure of is wether the ATI Rom update file is in the Apple NDRV folder or not...I can't remember if I put it back in there after I reinstalled 10.2 the last time. Ya'll let me know if I can do or get any other info for ya!! Geoff |
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RE: Svideo out on Radeon Mac Edition? |
March, 14, 2003 12:05 AM |
mjoecups358 |
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Thanks Joe. I think the detect displays button is really a feature designed to support the dual head cards, and that's why the ORME (original Radeon Mac edition) doesn't show it? I do have a positive report here tonight also... I hooked the Svideo out from the original Radeon to the SVIDEO in on my PM7500, and then launched XPF 2.4 and reslected the ORME as the output device. Upon reboot the Displays pref.pane looked the same, but when I opened the ATI Displays program it now showed me a third button on the left hand side that I have NEVER seen before. This third button provides for the enabling of the svideo out and many adjustments of it too.... I did just move the Radeon to this machine last week, so I don't know if that changed anything, I will do some additional testing when I get a chance. Also a note that some NTSC modes for SVIDEO out are not supported by my SVGA monitor (HP90) and I didn't see any simulscan as an option anywhere? Anyhow the end result seems to be that it is possible to get svideo working with ORME, it just isn't as simple as it should be. ie There seem to be some hidden elements that make it harder then it should be. Then again it could just be my one setup that was problematic. Marty |
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RE: Svideo out on Radeon Mac Edition? |
March, 13, 2003 11:40 PM |
joevt |
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I tried the S-Video out on the original Radeon Mac Edition in my B&W G3. I think it should work the same in my 8600. I installed the latest ATI software for OS X over 10.2.4. The PAL and NTSC resolutions appear only if I boot the B&W G3 with the S-Video output connected. The VGA resolutions also appear if a monitor is connected to the VGA port. The simulscan modes are also there. Note that simulscan is not the same as mirror mode. Mirroring is done in software (every drawing command is executed for each display making it slower). Simulscan is done in hardware (the graphics card sends the same display buffer to different connectors). I'm not sure why but there is no "Detect Displays" button in the Displays Preference panel on the B&W G3 with original Radeon like there is on the Power Mac 8600 with Radeon 7000. I think there is a strange bug on the B&W G3 with original Radeon where a "Detect Displays" item will appear in the Displays menu after switching resolutions (it goes away after turning the menu off and on in the Displays preference panel). The "Detect Displays" menu item doesn't do anything on the B&W G3 with original Radeon. On the 8600 with Radeon 7000, it causes the screen to turn black and then re-sync. If you select S-Video as the output, the original Radeon will not display anything during boot until the blue screen appears. Movie Mode (selected in the ATI Displays application in the /Applications/ Utilities/ATI Utilities folder) is not enabled until after the Finder is launched (when ATI Monitor is launched). |
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RE: Svideo out on Radeon Mac Edition? |
March, 13, 2003 2:16 PM |
mjoecups358 |
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No, man I am not offended or mad! I'm actually glad to hear this is possible. I need to figure out how to convice my ATI utility to offer me this option... The 7000 card, since it's multiheaded, has a button in the Displays pref.pane "detect displays" which will add a second display. Or as I am using it, if you only hook up the Svideo connector the machine boots into svideo mode. The original Radeon Mac edition has only one display, so the "detect displays" button isn't there, and the svideo must be a mirror mode only option... Marty PS Any additional info on you ATI util setup would be helpful (like where the option appears?) |
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RE: Svideo out on Radeon Mac Edition? |
March, 12, 2003 3:32 PM |
gpotter |
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Marty, Yes, it's 10.2.4. My ATI utility has an added choice to turn on the S-Video out when the S-VHS cable is hooked to my TV. Like I said before, it's an original retail Radeon PCI, not a 7000. I guess I won't be much help to you until I get time to hook it up to my TV again. If I can, I'll make screen shots of what it looks like and then we can make arrangements for me to e-mail them to you. How's that sound? I just don't remember what it all looks like. I'm sorry if I've offended you or made you mad, that definitely wasn't my intention...I was just trying to share/help. When I get it hooked up again, I'll make sure you're the first to know. Geoff |
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RE: Svideo out on Radeon Mac Edition? |
March, 12, 2003 2:19 PM |
mjoecups358 |
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The ATI utility has NO WAY to turn on svideo out. Your talking about OSX right? The Radeon 7000 just treats the svideo out like any other display, so if it's hooked to something at boot time, or when the "detect displays" button is pressed it appears. The original Radeon doen't do this. I have tried it now in two different systems (PTP and PW) both systems runs well and have the newest 10.2.4 and ATI drivers. The Radeon mac edition has the newest firmware I see at the ATI website. I would love to know what you are doing/talking about? Marty |
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RE: Svideo out on Radeon Mac Edition? |
March, 12, 2003 7:30 AM |
gpotter |
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Yes, it's an original Radeon PCI. I upgraded the firmware everytime an update came available, including the latest. I'm assuming you turned on the S-Video out using the ATI utility? I don't actually use it for anything...I was just goofing around one night and thought I'd see if it worked and it did. |
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RE: Svideo out on Radeon Mac Edition? |
March, 11, 2003 3:21 PM |
mjoecups358 |
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Are you saying you are using THE ORIGINAL RADEON Mac edition via Svideo out? If so what is your firmware revision? I also have the latest firmware/software and 10.2.4, and NO OTHER options appear even when the SVIDEO is connected to a working SVIDEO device at boot? You don't have the Mac Radeon 7000 PCI? Marty |
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RE: Svideo out on Radeon Mac Edition? |
March, 11, 2003 7:00 AM |
gpotter |
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I hooked up the S-Video on my Radeon PCI to my TV the other night out of curiosity. With a monitor also connected, it added a couple additional choices to the monitors control for the TV. Of course, my Radeon PCI has had all the updates installed and I'm using the current ATI driver. I installed the ATI driver and then the 10.2.4 update to get the latest files possible. I did notice one thing...if you just hook it to a TV without a monitor attached, it doesn't just work. You have to hook it to a monitor and then select the appropriate choice in the monitors control to make the TV come on. I don't remember what the choices were though...sorry. HTH! My System: PtP 225 upgraded to Sonnet G4-400, 320 meg, 30G WD HD on Sonnet Tempo 100, Pioneer DVR-105, Radeon PCI, Generic Firewire/USB card from CompUSA |
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RE: Svideo out on Radeon Mac Edition? |
March, 11, 2003 1:51 AM |
mjoecups358 |
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The flashed Radeon 7000 (Sapphire) does provide a new button in the Displays pref.pane called "detect" displays. When the SVIDEO out is hooked another devices Svideo in this shows up as a secondary device, and allows mirroring of DVD content. Interestingly this content only shows on the SVIDEO device... Anyhow, This proves to me that the original Radeon PCI IS A NO GO for SVIDEO out at least for now... It doesn't look to me like ATI will ever fix this either. At least the PC Radeon 7000 can be had for $45 bucks or so... Make sure to get a DDR card if you plan on trying this. Marty |
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RE: Svideo out on Radeon Mac Edition? |
March, 06, 2003 1:33 PM |
mjoecups358 |
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I tried with my monitor hooked up... I used the Adapter ATI provided to go from Svideo to RCA, so I think that should work. I think this feature just doesn't work on the original Radeon PCI with the current OSX software.... Marty PS I have ordered a PC 7K card to flash and try. |
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RE: Svideo out on Radeon Mac Edition? |
March, 06, 2003 9:47 AM |
terrancew_hod |
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This may sound like a dumb question (so don't flame me), but is the svideo cable connected to both the TV and the Mac? I believe the options for TV out will not be enabled if they are not connected when you power on the Mac and TV. At least I read that somewhere in the ATI documentation. I have the radeon for the PC (and mac version too but haven't tried it yet); the tv out was not enabled when I checked the settings. I looked to the back and saw the cable not connected to the TV. I plugged it in and restarted; it was then enabled. Hopefully this is the problem. Also, is the device you're connecting it to a TV (you mentioned a video monitor). If it is a video monitor, maybe (shot in the dark trying to eliminate things) it does not send all the signals necessary to enable video out. If you have a TV somewhere with Svideo you may what to try it on that also. Terrance |
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RE: Svideo out on Radeon Mac Edition? |
March, 06, 2003 2:11 AM |
mjoecups358 |
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Given it a try and the October update now installs OK, and doesn't screw up the OpenGL support (it did before). But it doesn't seem to enable the SVIDEO out either! Digging around the ATI website shows there documentation is confused and contradictory. It does look as though this feature is now unsupported on the original Radeon PCI, but should still be available for the 7000. Sheesh, Marty |
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RE: Svideo out on Radeon Mac Edition? |
March, 05, 2003 11:42 PM |
paul_findley |
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I noticed a Feb 2003 ATI update to the Oct 2002 update (why don't they just call it Feb 2003 ?) claims to fix a video out problem. You might want to give that a try. |
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RE: Svideo out on Radeon Mac Edition? |
March, 05, 2003 5:09 PM |
marcush |
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Haven't tried it, sorry. |
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