The 9600 Saga Continues |
March, 29, 2003 4:17 AM |
portermr |
Hi, All! I pulled all the upgrades from my 9600/350 and returned it to its original configuration with the exception of video card (ATI RAGE 128) tonight, but I still cannot install Jaguar. The installer begins to boot (the gray Apple logo appears); however, screen turns black with small white rectangle in the upper left corner. I was able to see when the installer stops by forcing verbatim booting at the open firmware prompt, and I determined that installer stopped booting after it tried to load something by the name of “Patched CPU Surge� or “Patched Power Surge.� (It was hard for me to keep up with the scrolling list of text, which did not appear on the black screen containing the white rectangle in the upper left). I thought it might be a processor issue, so I swapped the stock 604ev/350 for the XLR8 MACh Carrier G4/350 and found that I could not get beyond the boot command at the open firmware prompt without the machine freezing. I swapped RAM at this point, mixing and matching DIMMs, while I swapped the processors back and forth. I had the same results. Also, I began re-installing the hardware I had removed earlier a piece at time while swapping out DIMMs and processors to see if I could move beyond the frozen black screen (only occurs with the original processor) or the frozen open firmware screen (only occurs with the processor upgrade). I made no progress beyond these stages as I completely re-installed all my hardware. Thus, I don't think my RAM or additional PCI cards are causing the installation problems (aside from the XLR8 card causing the machine to freeze at the open firmware prompt). There seems to be an incompatibility between my system and on of the system files that was patched by XPostFacto. I wish there were a way to slow down the scrolling text so that I list exactly where the boot process aborts, but I believe it is one of the resources I mentioned earlier that is causing the trouble. I think I'll able to use the XLR8 upgrade once I get Jaguar installed with the 604ev/350 processor, but I will deal with that issue once I get the OS installed. Please let me know if you all have any ideas that might help me get Jaguar installed on this system. All the best, P |
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RE: The 9600 Saga Continues |
March, 29, 2003 10:24 PM |
fano |
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Hi, I have a 9500 with a Sonnet G4/800 card and a ATI 7000 MAC Edition video card. I purchased 4 New 128 ram from OWC and removed all my old 16 ram boards. I was also having the same problems. I booted up with one 128 ram board at a time (that took awhile) but I found that one of them would not work. So I used only the other three 128 ram boards and OS X loaded! Ram that works fine in 9.x may not work at all with X. I hope this helps. |
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RE: The 9600 Saga Continues |
March, 29, 2003 8:01 PM |
marcush |
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That was supposed to say "I ran 10.1-10.1.5 with an XLR8 G4/450 SSE". |
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RE: The 9600 Saga Continues |
March, 29, 2003 8:00 PM |
marcush |
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Try deinterleaving your RAM. I RAM 10.1-10.1.5 with an XLR8 G4/450 SSE card but was initially plagued with stability problems until I deinterleaved my RAM. The XLR8 G4 cards have timing issues with RAM apparently. Oddly enough I found a solution for that in the xlr8yourmac cpu upgrades database and was able to reinterleave my RAM in the end. I speculate that reinstalling my original L2 cache solved the timing issue by creating a buffer between the processor and main RAM. According to Mike Breeden at xlr8yourmac Power Computing L2 Caches were higher spec'd than Apple's at the time. This may not work for you but it fixed my Power Tower Pro's stability problem. |
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RE: The 9600 Saga Continues |
March, 29, 2003 3:31 PM |
portermr |
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Thanks for your suggestions, everyone. I guess Ryan will have to tinker with the boot settings in the next version of XPostFacto, as I cannot get this system to boot with the XLR8 card (hangs at the open firmware screen) and version 2.2.5 of ‘Facto. I do not see any details describing the “freeze� with the verbatim option selected in XPostFacto (or pressing "command-v" after typing "boot" at the open firmware prompt). I have waited and waited for the installer to start, but the white screen looms for hours until I restart and hold down option to return to 9.1. I find it odd that I can get further into the booting process with the unsupported 604ev card than I can with the supported XLR8 card. Let me know if you have any bright ideas. P |
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RE: The 9600 Saga Continues |
March, 29, 2003 12:26 PM |
mjoecups358 |
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As mentioned, the 604e is a non starter under 10.4... If you have a different video card try that too... Marty PS I have seen the white square you describe before, when trying to boot a 17" imac from an ibook running 10.1.5 in target disk mode. It seemed to have something to do with the VIDEO. |
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RE: The 9600 Saga Continues |
March, 29, 2003 9:55 AM |
jimgwalsh |
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Hi,I am using a PM9600 XLR8G4/450, PowerDomain 29160N SCSI with a 36.7 GB IBM7362X Formatted with HD Speedtools 3 partitions 4GB OS9.1, 4GB 9,2,2, 27+GB OX10.2.4., ATI 7000 video card and 12x128 non/edo memory. After several tries, including pulling everything and returning to the pre upgrade state, I re-installed my XLR8 upgrade and attempted the install of Jaguar, it looked like you described,again. I walked away in disgust,leaving ihe install alone. When I came back later the installation had started.Eventually completed the instalation, BUT it will only run with out crashing in "SAFE BOOT" Still cannot figuar this out.If I reboot it freezes when I try to run an application or it freeze at "loading IP firewall extension" Also please NOTE info about XLR8 software: ______________________________________________________________________ MACh Speed Control 2.6.1 broke under Jag and is being updated. You need to remove MSC OS X. Note: If you are getting a crash at startup, boot with the shift key down and delete the XLR8 file from "/System/Library/Startup Items". I can't remeber the exact name of the file, but it will be the only one with XLR8 in the name. You can also delete /System/Library/Extensions/XLR8MAChSpeedKernel.kext if it is generating some kind of annoying message. While MSC is being updated you can use one of the following workarounds: ===================================================================== To run OS X Jaguar. with upgrades.. Use the Cache Config 3.3 until MSC is updated: http://eshop.macsales.com/OSXCenter/XPostFacto/framework.cfm? page=L2CacheConfig.html Or the Sonnet Tune X http://sonnettech.com/downloads/osx_upgrade_sw.html#x%20tuneup-zif You may also use the PowerLogix Cache Enabler at: http://powerlogix.com/downloads/index.html#cache |
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RE: The 9600 Saga Continues |
March, 29, 2003 9:33 AM |
powderhaus |
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under the advanced menu there is an option called verbose mode, use that and try to install again, this will make alot of text to scroll on the screen and it should stop with an error message, post that message here it will help alot. Good Luck! Jim |
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RE: The 9600 Saga Continues |
March, 29, 2003 9:12 AM |
egonzales21 |
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It clearly states in the compatability section that 604 processors are not supported by Jaguar when using XPostfacto, only versions earlier work so I would suggest your attempts be limited to the XLR8 G4 processor. Suggestions include: Make sure that the hard drive you are installing 10.2 has been formatted and/or partitioned in 9.1 with Apple's Hard drive setup. If using the internal SCSI chain, termination must be perfect. Try to limit the chain lst to only the CD-ROM drive and the hard drive. The hard drive should be the last device on the chain with termination on and the CD-ROM drive should have termination off. Make sure the memory is the fastest possible. G4's and 10.2 work best with RAM that is 60ns. If all this fails many have had better luck using the slower internal but really external SCSI port which is right next to the faster internal SCSI port (confusing I know). Good Luck |
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