PB3400 - No mouse pointer response... |
March, 30, 2003 7:27 PM |
geoffw |
I'm trying to install OS X on a PowerBook 3400. It boots into the installer just fine, but then I get no response from the mouse pointer, whether from the trackpad, or from an ADB mouse plugged into the ADB port. There appear to be some errors during verbose startup, but I don't know if these mean anything... |
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RE: PB3400 - No mouse pointer response... |
April, 30, 2003 6:53 PM |
geoffw |
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Bad news... The USB card is a bust. Like the keyboard and trackpad, it works like a charm in OS9, but it is utterly ignored when starting up in the OS X installer. Drat... I'll still be on the lookout for a different OS X install disk to see if that might make a difference, but, failing that, it looks like my PB3400 just won't work with OS X/XPF... |
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RE: PB3400 - No mouse pointer response... |
April, 29, 2003 5:46 PM |
geoffw |
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I had to go to some lengths to get my hands on an OS X 10.1 CD to begin with, but I will look into the possibility of getting a different disk to load with. Or, if you remember what the problem file was and could give me instructions on how to fix it, or offer a replacement for it, I could burn a new disk. I've already done that once, so I know that I can do it and end up with a disk that will successfully be recognized as a boot disk. Well, my PCMCIA USB card should get here tomorrow. Maybe with that I'll be able to use my USB mouse to get the installation complete. Then, if it will boot into OS X but still won't recognize the keyboard and trackpad, maybe I'll be able to download an update from Apple that will help with that. Who knows. And, if all of that works, I'll just do it all over again, as my new 40GB HD for my 3400 should get here on Friday. (Really, I may just wait until it gets here before launching into all of this... but, then again, I may not.) Thanks for replying. |
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RE: PB3400 - No mouse pointer response... |
April, 28, 2003 11:07 AM |
OSXGuru |
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Rumors of my death are greatly exaggerated :-) I've been out of commission for a while, first due to "total immersion" in a big project on my day job, and then a nasty cold (having run myself into the ground in the service of the Department of Agriculture and Agri-Food). But I'm getting back now. The "no ADB" thing was, if I remember correctly, a problem with some developer releases of Mac OS X (it was a small error in one of the configuration files), but I was pretty sure it was fixed in the final versions. But you could try installing from a different CD, just in case that makes a difference. I haven't actually tested on a 3400 for a while, because my 3400 is dead at the moment. (I think it is a drained backup battery, so I will try installing a replacement one of these days to get it going again). So I'm not sure whether the AppleMacIO self test fails message is normal or not. |
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RE: PB3400 - No mouse pointer response... |
April, 25, 2003 11:15 PM |
macguruguy |
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Good luck -- hey do you think Ryan kicked off somewhere or what? I WANT MY 10 BUCKS BACK!!! |
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RE: PB3400 - No mouse pointer response... |
April, 25, 2003 3:32 AM |
geoffw |
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I haven't gotten access to the other Mac that I was hoping to use, yet. However, I will shortly be in a position to try one of the other suggestions made here. I have purchased a PCMCIA USB card (from ebay), and I should have it in my hands early next week. Hopefully, I'll be close to being ready to put a new 40GB drive in my 3400 then, too. So, we'll see how things work out... |
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RE: PB3400 - No mouse pointer response... |
April, 16, 2003 1:24 PM |
geoffw |
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I may have a prospective answer, but it's only short term... I may be able to get access to another mac (7500) that I can use to install OS X on my PB3400 in SCSI Disk mode. I'll see if that works... However, this is only temporary, as I'm intending to install a new, larger harddrive in my 3400 in the near future, and from what I've read, the only major bit of functionality that I'll loose in doing so is SCSI Disk mode. (I'm given to understand that it won't function for a HD larger than the 2GB drive that originally came with the computer.) What I'll do then... I don't know. |
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RE: PB3400 - No mouse pointer response... |
April, 16, 2003 7:47 AM |
macguruguy |
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Don't give up!!! I'm having similar problems and I'm hoping one of us will find an answer. |
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RE: PB3400 - No mouse pointer response... |
April, 13, 2003 3:45 AM |
geoffw |
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The strange thing is that there is no apparent problems under MacOS 7.6 through 9.1, nor under Yellow Dog Linux... This is all very strange. As always, I remain open to any further suggestions... |
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RE: PB3400 - No mouse pointer response... |
April, 12, 2003 11:48 PM |
nick.ashton |
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I get the message IOBlockStorageDriver: Unable to flush cache on media. on my 3400 several times during boot but it doesn't seem to cause any problems. I DON'T get the message Warning: AppleMacIO self test fails so maybe your 3400 does have a genuine hardware problem. |
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RE: PB3400 - No mouse pointer response... |
April, 11, 2003 10:03 PM |
geoffw |
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Okay, that seems to have helped, but not completely. The initial errors devfs_make_node: not ready for devices! are not there anymore. So, that would seem to be a step in the right direction. However, the other errors are still cropping up: Warning: AppleMacIO self test fails IOBlockStorageDriver: Unable to flush cache on medie. IOBlockStorageDriver: Unable to flush cache on medie. IOBlockStorageDriver: Unable to flush cache on medie. And, at the heart of all of this, the keyboard and mouse are still unresponsive. So, now that we've partly fixed the problem, any other ideas? (Personnally, I suspect that the problem is directly related to the AppleMacIO self test that's failing. Does anyone know anything about the AppleMacIO self test?) |
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RE: PB3400 - No mouse pointer response... |
April, 11, 2003 5:33 PM |
nick.ashton |
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I've just tried reinstalling 10.1.0 on my 3400 using XPF 2.2.5 and have had no problems. The only thing that springs to mind is that some install CD's have a file called /System/Library/extensions.mkext, which is essentially a cache of the kext's found in /System/Library/Extensions. If this file exists it can result in some out of date extensions being loaded which might cause problems. Check your install CD for the presence of this file. If it exists then try making a duplicate of the CD with the file removed. |
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RE: PB3400 - No mouse pointer response... |
April, 08, 2003 12:10 PM |
geoffw |
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"I'm just about ready to give up on OS X. I'm very discouraged by the lack of support by the author." I'm kind of starting to feel the same way. I understand that this isn't his livelihood, but still... At this point I'm no closer to getting my 3400 to successfully boot into the installer, let alone try OS X itself. (Successfully=with mouse and keyboard functionality.) |
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RE: PB3400 - No mouse pointer response... |
April, 06, 2003 1:20 AM |
geoffw |
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Found it. I uploaded it here: http://physics.arizona.edu/~wathen/XPFLog.txt |
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RE: PB3400 - No mouse pointer response... |
April, 05, 2003 9:36 PM |
powderhaus |
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XPF makes a Log of your boot process so if you could post it that would be great, (I don't know where it is, so somwone else will have to fill you in on that.) |
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RE: PB3400 - No mouse pointer response... |
April, 05, 2003 8:27 PM |
geoffw |
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Yeah, I know that some CardBus cards work with the 3400. As I said, it's not officially supported. :-) As I said, the real issue is that I don't have a USB card, whether or not it will work. Also, I understand that the ADB files are from the OS X disk, but they must be among the files that XPF copies from the OS X disk to the hard drive, don't they? I'm only thinking that because I see the errors before the CD is actually accessed during the startup process. That's why I thought that it might be possible to find the particular file(s) that need to be updated and copy those onto the hard drive manually. But maybe not. And, finally, for what it's worth, I'm in Tucson, AZ. |
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RE: PB3400 - No mouse pointer response... |
April, 05, 2003 8:07 PM |
nick.ashton |
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The 3400 does support Cardbus cards under OS X - indeed only 32 bit (Cardbus) cards seem to work! Unfortunately the physical slots are pre-Cardbus so you'll find cards are a tight fit and there is a risk of mechanical damage to the card and slot. I routinely use a Cardbus 10/100 Ethernet card on my 3400 when running OS X. There are plenty of other threads on this forum discussing this in more detail (if you can find them). When I get time I'll try booting various 10.1.x CD's on my machine and see which ones work. The ADB files are all part of OS X and are not supplied by XPF. It might be possible to make a custom CD with updated ADB extensions but I'm not sure. |
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RE: PB3400 - No mouse pointer response... |
April, 05, 2003 6:24 PM |
mjoecups358 |
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The cardbus thing is wrong I'm pretty sure. That is there are some PCMCIA USB cards that aren't cardbus... Marty PS Where are you? |
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RE: PB3400 - No mouse pointer response... |
April, 05, 2003 3:30 PM |
geoffw |
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My understanding is that all available USB PCMCIA cards are CardBus cards, which the 3400 doesn't officially support. Besides, I don't have one... If 10.1.3 would solve my problems, the question must become, where do I find a copy of 10.1.3? |
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RE: PB3400 - No mouse pointer response... |
April, 05, 2003 3:11 PM |
mjoecups358 |
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I meant to type "If you have" not "I have" Sorry Marty |
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RE: PB3400 - No mouse pointer response... |
April, 05, 2003 3:10 PM |
mjoecups358 |
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I have a PCMCIA USB card handy, you could try throwing that in and see if you get mouse/pointer input via USB? I know this seems far fetched, but USB is better supported in OSX the ADB... Marty PS I bet if you had the 10.1.3 installer you'd be in business. |
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RE: PB3400 - No mouse pointer response... |
April, 05, 2003 2:28 PM |
geoffw |
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Alas, no other SCSI enabled Mac around (OS X compatible or otherwise). So far as I can tell the version of OS X that I have here is 10.1.0. Everywhere that I look it only identifies itself as 10.1. And, yes, it is an original CD, not a burned copy (all original documentation, etc., too). If it is the ADB files, what could be done about that? Presumably, those files are copied to the hard-drive by XPF, so is there a possibilty that I could manually replace those files from OS 9? Oh, and the QT and Carbon files are just the ones that the OS 9.1 CD installed. The system is a raw install with no system updates, etc. (I'll wait until I get OS X running, if I do, before I worry about fixing OS 9 up to where I want it...) |
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RE: PB3400 - No mouse pointer response... |
April, 05, 2003 6:18 AM |
nick.ashton |
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Do you have access to another OS X compatible Mac with SCSI? If so, you could put the 3400 in target disk mode & install OS X via the other machine. The only other thing that springs to mind is the exact version of the OS X Install CD that you are using. Is it a factory mastered disk or a CD-R copy (could be a bad copy?). Also there are various 10.1.x installers available. I think there is both a 10.1.0 and 10.1.3 version. Can you check exactly which one you have. I've a feeling that the version of the ADB support files on your CD may be the issue. P.S. Your QuickTime and CarbonLib are way out of date on your OS9 system (not that it relates to the current problem). The hardware seems a pretty standard config so there shouldn't be any problems there. |
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RE: PB3400 - No mouse pointer response... |
April, 05, 2003 3:00 AM |
geoffw |
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I am more than happy to provide whatever information is requested. Here is a link to a complete system report from Apple System Profiler: http://physics.arizona.edu/~wathen/report.txt If there's more that I can do, just let me know... |
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RE: PB3400 - No mouse pointer response... |
April, 05, 2003 12:58 AM |
tempest |
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Maybe his 3400 is hacked with a faster crystal? |
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