PowerTowerPro Jaguar Install - What SCSI Card?? |
March, 31, 2003 4:57 PM |
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Hello all, I purchased a new Sonnet 800 G4 card - great. Trying to install Jaguar on my PTP using either XPF or Sonnet's software - no luck - With either program I follow directions exactly - at the end of the installer the PTP would not start up upon reboot - I'd get a chime but the screen stays black. The only way I could get back to an OS 9.1 startup was to pull all cards and do a cuda reset. With Sonnet's installer you are supposed to come to a screen that lets you choose the desination drive and startup CD - on my machine the installer cruises right past those screens and goes staright to the "restart" screen - Sonnet's tech support said they have never seen this before. I think the problem is probably the Miles 2 card - over the last few months I have tried EVERYTHING with this card - flashing, backflashing - flashing in a new G4 box, etc. NADA What other cards would be a decent replacement for the Miles? It seems that people here prefer ATTO - could someone please let me know EXACTLY what model cards will work with the setup I have listed below? As always, any input is much appreciated. Adam PowerTowerPro 225 Sonnet Crescendo/PCI G4/800MHz with 1MB L3 Cache - For PCI 1 GB RAM SCSI Bus 0: Stock CD-ROM Drive - TEAC CD-516S SCSI Bus 0: Stock Jaz Drive (ID = 2) SCSI Bus 0: Stock Zip Drive (ID = 5) SCSI Bus 2: RAID HD: 36.68 GB Seagate (Revision # 010A) (Product ID: ST336706LW) (ID=0) SCSI Bus 2: RAID HD: 36.68 GB Seagate (Revision # 010A) (Product ID: ST336706LW) (ID=1) Slot A1: Intio Miles U2W (card revision 1, card vendor ID 1101 Slot B1: Sonnet Tempo FW/USB Card Slot C1: None Slot D2: none Slot E2: Asante 10/100 fast Ethernet card Slot F2: ATI Radeon PCI 32 MB Graphics Card |
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Leave black screen alone for awhile |
April, 25, 2003 11:31 PM |
bwalden |
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The black screen may not be dead. Sometimes my 9500 running OS X will chime and the screen turn black. More often than not, if I wait a very long time it will come to life and continue booting. By "long time" I mean several minutes, at least once as long as five minutes, maybe more. I suspect some low-level disk maintenance or network test, but I don't know. Try letting it go for awhile, even get up and do something else, see if it ever starts booting. |
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April, 03, 2003 11:49 AM |
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Hi Adam, Well that empty slot was for my Voodoo 5 card which I took out of the machine a while back during a troubleshooting episode. I haven't played any non-carbon games for a while so I have not needed it. The Voodoo 5 card is also the reason for the OS 9.1 partition. OS 9.1 was the last iteration of the "Classic" OS where the OpenGL version fully supported the 3dfx Voodoo drivers. I know you can substitute the Apple OpenGL extension in the later versions of OpenGL but I never bothered, prefering a cleaner environment. The OS 9.2.2 installation started out as an experiment, but since it was successful I kept it. As far as the 9.1 partition that I named Classic it is just a minimal install that I've designated as OSX's "Classic" OS. OSX does not itself install the "Classic" operating system, only the environment to use it. You can use any 9.04 or better install for "Classic". I chose to partion the different OSes to maintain the integrity of each. If one OS corrupts irretrievably I don't have to wipe the entire drive. The Pioneer DVD burner will work with any IDE card. I also have an Acard ATA/133 card that used to be in this machine. I used it with a Toshiba SD-R1202 DVD/CD-RW drive that I had installed internally. I had to patch the Apple DVD player for it to work but it worked well. I forgot to mention it yesterday. It now resides in the Firewire case that the Pioneer drive used to be in. Acard makes great hardware and I used the ATA/133 card for a year beforehand. On a side note, you already have some large SCSI drives so it would make sense for you to go that route considering what they probably cost. I had a bunch of 9GB and 4GB UW drives on hand but since I intended to do video editing on this machine they did not offer enough capacity. Knowing that DV capture only required 4MB/s transfer rates as opposed to 9MB/s for analog capture I decided to swithch over entirely to IDE drives. For the same amount of money I would get much more drive capacity. Those 9Gig drives and my old SCSI cards did not go to waist though. They are in my PowerCenter Pro which I setup as a Linux file server with a 36GB Raid 5 array. That is the only practical use of SCSI in a desktop machine that I can see anymore. Current IDE drives do an excellent job in a workstation. About DVD device support. I got the Sonnet Tempo ATA/100 card I mentioned a few months ago after reading another users report here on the forum stating that he got iDVD working with a Pioneer burner in combination with a Sonnet Tempo ATA/100 card. I found one on ebay for $60 and tried it myself and iDVD works. Also, I found that I no longer needed to patch the DVD player since any DVD drive attached to the Sonnet card is detected as an ATAPI device. My IDE drive also are detected as ATA drives rather than as emulated SCSI drives. The Promise Technologies controller chip is what made the difference between Acard and Sonnet cards in terms of functionality. |
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RE: PowerTowerPro Jaguar Install - What SCSI Card? |
April, 03, 2003 11:00 AM |
aricher |
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marcush, Wow - you have your machine pretty maxed out - my question is... what's going in your empty slot e2? - Just kidding. As far as OS X goes - The new Acard comes in today - I'm going to RAID the drives using apple's disk utility - I'll probably follow your partitioning strategy. Then onto the OS X install - I'll probably run the Sonnet X installer as that takes care of the cache factor within the installer. Hopefully I'll be able to do a good - hang free install.After that, I'll flash the Miles2 card for OS X - drop that into a lower slot and get a few more drives. OR.... Maybe I'll do an ATA setup like you have. QUESTIONS: 1. Whay do you have so many OS 9 partions - MacOS 9.2.2 partition, MacOS 9.1 partion, MacOS 9.1 Classic partition?? What is the benefit? 2. How do you get the OS X installer to install classic to a different partition? Later I'd like to get some info on how your PTP handles the DVD device - I didn't think that was possible. Many Thanks, Adam. |
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April, 02, 2003 12:43 PM |
marcush |
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The original ATI Radeon Mac Edition 32MB PCI card is the best available PCI card for the Mac supported by OSX. 2D performance of the original Radeon and the Radeon 7000 are virtually identical. The original Radeon has a better 3D rendering engine than the 7000 and therefore has better 3D rendering performance than the Radeon 7000. Check out the stats at barefeats.com. I have one in my PowerTower Pro. PowerTower Pro 225 - Sonnet G4/800, 1GB interleaved RAM; 80GB WD SE 7200rpm ATA/100 (20GB OSX 10.2.4 Partition, 1.2GB MacOS 9.2.2 partition, 1.2GB MacOS 9.1 partion, 1.2GB MacOS 9.1 Classic partition, 56GB Data partition), 120GB IBM 120GXP 7200rpm ATA/100 (1 partition for DV capture storage)on 1st channel of Sonnet Tempo ATA/100 card; Pioneer DVR-104 DVD-R/CD-RW on 2nd channel, 60GB IBM 75GXP 7200rpm Firewire drive; Slot A1: Sonnet Tempo ATA/100, Slot B1: Ratoc Firewire/USB2.0 combo card, Slot C1: M-Audio Revolution 7.1 sound card, Slot D2: Zynx 10/100 Ethernet card, Slot E2: Empty, Slot F2: ATI Mac Edition Radeon 32MB. |
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RE: PowerTowerPro Jaguar Install - What SCSI Card? |
April, 02, 2003 11:18 AM |
aricher |
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gsrock76, The PRAM zap has also worked for me in the past - not always though. As far as the Radeon goes there are plenty of people here and at Macgurus.com who claim that the card works fine under X - Radeon has X drivers on their site. I have had problems under OS 9.1 with the Radeon card though - not sure if anyone else has had this problem... ANY time I do a PRAM zap the card does work after restart - black screen - which involves pulling the card, cuda reset, etc. Techtool PRAM zap works fine - just not the manual keyboard method. I have a spare Raedon Mac Edition 7000 in my office G4 that I'm going to take home with me when I do the OS X install - just in case the original ATI Radeon PCI 32 MB Graphics Card doesn't work. New SCSI card comes tomorrow. If anyone has any last minute XPF or Sonnet X advice please let me know ASAP. Thanks, Adam. |
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RE: PowerTowerPro Jaguar Install - What SCSI Card? |
April, 02, 2003 10:50 AM |
gsrock76 |
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Adam This might save you a little time. I have been trying to install OS X onto a PTP using XPF. After the installer finishes I get the same chime & black screen. I removed cards drives & pressed cuda the 1st time. That worked, but was time consuming. Next time I just zapped the pram (Command/Option/P/R) and got back to the OS 9.1 start up. Much easier than removing cards etc. Is the ATI Radeon 32MB PCI Graphics card supported in OS X? People have been telling me I might need a new graphics card. |
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RE: PowerTowerPro Jaguar Install - What SCSI Card? |
April, 01, 2003 9:41 AM |
aricher |
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lei1 - SOLD - I'm going to find one asap. Next question, I have two drives that I would like to stripe into a RAID - should I just : 1. Use OS X's Drive setup to create a RAID with partions. 2. How many partitions and what size? Do OS 9 & Jag. need to be on the same partition? If so, How big should that be? Under 9 I had 3 partitions - one 10 GB for OS 9 and software - one 5 GB for Photoshop Scratch space and the third was all extra space for storage and work. Under OSX what would be the optimum partition setup? 3. What EXACT steps should I take to install Jag? I;m thinking: Install Acard's AEC67160M - hook up current drives - reformat to RAID using apple's drive setup - install OS 9.1 - then upgrade into Jag - yes? no? Any advice would be much appreciated. - Thanks, Adam. |
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March, 31, 2003 5:28 PM |
lei1 |
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Acard's AEC67160M has worked flawlessly for me. I had to jumper my drives as SE to achieve absolute stability when copying drive to drive. The card will boot to system 8, 9 or X without any fuss. This is the only foolproof card I have used. |
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