Sonnet G4 800, XPF and ATI Radeion MAC edition |
May, 30, 2003 11:55 PM |
gabb |
I have a PTP with Sonnet G4 800 Mhz and a ATI Radeon MAC edition card. I am seeing that I have some problems with the ATI card conflicting with the Sonnet card. The conflict is very subtle. Like I cannot play " Max Payne" anymore, cause it doesn't see the 3D accelerated card anymore. I had Newer Tech G4 400 Mhz before and I had no such problems. Is there something in the XPF that is not installing? I have re-installed all XPF extensions. Any suggestions? GAbby |
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RE: Sonnet G4 800, XPF and ATI Radeion MAC edition |
June, 06, 2003 6:09 AM |
gabb |
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thanks Marcush |
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RE: Sonnet G4 800, XPF and ATI Radeion MAC edition |
June, 05, 2003 9:09 PM |
marcush |
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Yes you are right. The games should work under OS9. What version of OS9 are you running? If you have the latest ATI extensions you should be seeing no problems because of them. Can you tell us what the number on your PTP logic board is. Chibi_Delen if you see this please post your logic board number as well. The number on mine is PCC 5000-0121-04. If there is in fact a conflict between the RADEON and the Sonnet G4 800 then perhaps it is logic board related. I remember that when the first XLR8 Carrier Ziff cards came out there was a conflict with a particular PTP logic board model. This was documented and you can look up the info at xlr8yourmac.com in the original review of the XLR8 Carrier Ziff card. |
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RE: Sonnet G4 800, XPF and ATI Radeion MAC edition |
June, 05, 2003 7:44 PM |
uliss |
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Hi, I purchased and downloaded the Sonnet OS X installer. The fine print said to format a clean install from OS 9.1. I also removed all PCI cards. Now the 7600 boots and the OS X installer displays a gray do not enter symbol on the monitor. What does this mean? I tried with a different SCSI drive and the do not enter changed into a gray apple. Then the screen changed to gray, then blue with a cursor and then black with various messages like ll waiting for root device, etc. I tried XPF and get a black screen also. Any help? regards, Bob |
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June, 05, 2003 5:32 PM |
gabb |
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HI MARCUSH, Yes yes it does see it as an ATI device, i think I updated through software update, but then games shoulk under 9.X right? but they don't. thanks for ur help i will try playing with it this weekend. |
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RE: Sonnet G4 800, XPF and ATI Radeion MAC edition |
June, 05, 2003 4:34 PM |
marcush |
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Well, 3D apps and game work for me in both OSX and OS 9. I have Strata 3D also and have used Blender 3d and the free version of Maya as well as Bryce under OSX. No problems with them. Older game such as ST Voyager: Elite Force and Aliens vs Predator, as well as newer games such as Return to Castle Wolfenstein work as well. Have you tried running the 10.2.6 Combo updater? That installs newer versions of the the Apple ATI drivers. The error you mention would seem to indicate that you have a software problem. Also, is the card identified in Apple System Profiler as an ATI device? |
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RE: Sonnet G4 800, XPF and ATI Radeion MAC edition |
June, 05, 2003 2:38 PM |
gabb |
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Thanks Marcush, My radeon works fine as long as i am not trying to play 3 D games, it says "No 3D accelator is available", also after putting the Sonnet card Strata 3D (3D program) has minor rendering lapses when i move 3D objects, something that never happened with my Newer Tech card. I will try the slot rotation routine tonite. My Adaptec 29160 SCSI card is next to the Sonnet card. Sonnet ppl recommended the top three PCI slots are more desirable for optimum perforfance. Thanks again. Gabby |
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RE: Sonnet G4 800, XPF and ATI Radeion MAC edition |
June, 05, 2003 2:22 PM |
marcush |
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Damn, this forum still has formatting issues. Here are my pci cards again for clarification: Sonnet Tempo ATA/100, Ratoc Firewire/USB2.0, M-Audio Revolution 7.1, Zynx 345 Netblaster 10/100, EMPTY slot, ATI Radeon Mac Edition 32MB. |
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RE: Sonnet G4 800, XPF and ATI Radeion MAC edition |
June, 05, 2003 2:20 PM |
marcush |
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Gabb, I have the same machine with a Sonnet G4 800, 1GB RAM, and original Mac Edition Radeon 32MB. I have no problems with the Radeon card. I can not account for variations between logic boards though. I can say that I have had no problems with two different PTP logic boards that I have used. Here is a list of PCI cards I have installed and the order in which they are installed. Sonnet Tempo ATA/100 Ratoc Firewire/USB2.0 M-Audio Revolution 7.1 Zynx 345 Netblaster 10/100 ethernet empty ATI Radeon Mac Edition 32MB Note that the bottom slot is the factory default slot for graphics cards for the 9500-9600 series as well as the Power Tower Pro. Also note that bus mastering cards such as a SCSI or ATA card should be placed as close to the processor as possible. As I recall that minimizes any timing issues that may crop up between the processor and the PCI bus. To my knowledge and experience there is no inherent conflict between the Radeon and Sonnet G4 700/800 processors. Different logic board revisions could have a problem that is not documented but as I said above two different logic boards have worked for me with these cards. |
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RE: Sonnet G4 800, XPF and ATI Radeion MAC edition |
June, 05, 2003 6:17 AM |
gabb |
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thanks steve, so ur radeon is in the first slot frm the top, that would be the one just below the sonnet (or whatever u have) card? i am assuming u have a PTP, right? did u have similar problem as mine with the radeon card and not able to enable the 3D accelarator? gabby |
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RE: Sonnet G4 800, XPF and ATI Radeion MAC edition |
June, 04, 2003 10:02 PM |
stevesien |
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Gabby, I have the Radeon in the first slot ( near the outside of the case) then the Mathey Pci FW/usb 1 then an ACARD 133 IDE card. HTH Steve |
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RE: Sonnet G4 800, XPF and ATI Radeion MAC edition |
June, 04, 2003 1:08 AM |
uliss |
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Hi, Trying to install OS X 10.2.3 from retail Jaguar box. Screen in verbose mode says: Mac OS Loader no active package_ and freezes. What is going on? What is an active package? Bob |
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RE: Sonnet G4 800, XPF and ATI Radeion MAC edition |
June, 03, 2003 5:10 PM |
gabb |
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What other options do i have besides Sonnet accelartors? I have a PTP. Powerlogix is only G4 450 Mhz max...:-( |
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RE: Sonnet G4 800, XPF and ATI Radeion MAC edition |
June, 03, 2003 5:05 PM |
gabb |
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Hi Chibi, Thanks for the info can u pls do me a favor and send them another e- mail just as a reminder. I haven't tried the PCI slot swapping thingy yet. I was having constant crashes at the beginning but the PCI slot swaaping actually helped. the card (Sonnet crescendo 800 Mhz) runs pretty fast under 9.1, under 10.2.3 its faster than before but... not that fast. i loved my Newer Tech card, it worked flawlessly (G4 400 Mhz), I was going to sell it but now i think i should keep it as a backup. Newer tech was awesome. i was always iffy about sonnet for some reason (even though this is my first Sonnet product). can I hack it so the fan gets power from the power supply and not the PCI slot? I don't know what to do, I bought it brand new from Ebay. i will play with it tomorrow, i have a huge project to finish and i can't watse time tonite. thanks for ur input i will keep u posted. |
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RE: Sonnet G4 800, XPF and ATI Radeion MAC edition |
June, 03, 2003 3:13 PM |
chibi_delenn |
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gabb, Sonnet told you nobody has reported this problem before? Then I can honestly call them flat out liars now. I reported this problem back in *DECEMBER* of last year, when I had to return not one, but TWO G4/800s (first was Rev 3, second was Rev 2) due to this problem. The second wouldn't even boot! Not once! That's pretty damned shitty when a company refuses to admit that there is a problem that they didn't test for, when many people have complained openly about that very problem in public for months. I've done the "swap the slots" roulette game. I've even ELIMINATED all PCI cards, except for the Radeon. No matter which slot the Radeon PCI was in (it's the R7200 version, not the 7000), and even though the Radeon was the ONLY card in a PCI slot at the time of testing, the problem(s) existed still. Sadly, my Sonnet Tempo Trio card *still* refuses to boot OS X off my WD 200 GB SE HD w/ 8 MB Cache on it, even though the 4.5 firmware was supposed to FIX that issue (it obviously did not). *sigh* Eventually, they will get it right. But what you just told me that they said about this issue is a real slap in the face to me, especially after having to go to the BBB just to ensure I got a full refund on the first processor I bought from OWC. One design improvement Sonnet should have made to begin with is to remove the onboard power connection for the CPU's fans. They should have instead opted to have the fans' power drawn from the HD/CD's +12v lines. That way the PCI bus which shares its power supply with the CPU itself, would be less strained, especially when there's more than one PCI card installed. This would theoretically lead to more stability, but alas, Sonnet chose to retain the built in power draw for the fans. Oh well. |
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RE: Sonnet G4 800, XPF and ATI Radeion MAC edition |
June, 02, 2003 11:49 PM |
gabb |
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Thanks steve. can u tell me which PCI slot u have ur Radeon card in? Sonnet said the top PCI slots r more desirable for optimum performance, I have never heard that before but I haven't tried it yet. About the FW/ USB card , I have that problem as well, many freezes with capturing, so i got an independent FW card and it worked like a charm. My thinking: the SOnnet card uses a lot of PCI power and so does the FW/ USB card when everything is plugged into it, so if u have them separately it might work. I will try playing witht the Radeon card tomorrow. the card works fine otherwise until I try to play 3D games like Max PAyne. Gabby |
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RE: Sonnet G4 800, XPF and ATI Radeion MAC edition |
June, 02, 2003 8:20 PM |
stevesien |
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I have a PM 7500, w Sonnet g4800 and radeon Mac ed. I have no problems similar to yours. I n fact the only problems I have are related to the USB/FW pci card. I have noticed no conflicts between the Radeon and the Sonnet. The only thing I could suggest is to reinstall all the latest drivers. Which you probably have done already. Wish I could help. Steve Okinawa |
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June, 02, 2003 4:34 PM |
gabb |
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Chibi, I just spoke to SOnnet, nobody has reported this problem and they know nothing about it, they did tell me to try re-arranging the cards, supposedly the first three PCI card slots are more desirable, so I will try that. Sonnet needs to do more R&D man before bringing stuff out. do u think Sonnet X will solve the problem? gabster |
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RE: Sonnet G4 800, XPF and ATI Radeion MAC edition |
June, 02, 2003 1:09 PM |
chibi_delenn |
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It would appear that the G4/800 has severe problems with the Radeon Mac PCI edition (R7200 version). I too had problems where it would work with my G4/800 for about three days, then I would get glitches left and right in any 3D app/game, and after about two more days, I couldn't even use anything 3D. It would crash any game, especially anything using the UT engine, on startup. I popped in my trusty G3/400 and bam! Everything worked again with no problems, even UT (though it didn't feel as nice). I'm not sure just why the G4/800 has so many problems with the Radeon PCI, but obviously Sonnet did *not* test this configuration very well before shipping, or even now, months after its release. |
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RE: Sonnet G4 800, XPF and ATI Radeion MAC edition |
May, 31, 2003 7:02 PM |
gabb |
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Any one have a clue for this problem? |
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RE: Sonnet G4 800, XPF and ATI Radeion MAC edition |
May, 31, 2003 8:09 AM |
gabb |
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but i have the same problem under 9.X, I cannot run Max Payne and STrata Studders. trying to launch Max Payne it says I don't have a 3D accelarator card but i DO have an ATI Radeon MAC edition....:-( |
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RE: Sonnet G4 800, XPF and ATI Radeion MAC edition |
May, 31, 2003 7:51 AM |
gregoryy |
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I would try using Sonnet's own X Installer and Tune Up. |
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RE: Sonnet G4 800, XPF and ATI Radeion MAC edition |
May, 31, 2003 7:29 AM |
gabb |
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I am running 10.2.6. its not that, I am having this problem since I put in my Sonnet Crescendo card. so there maybe a Conflict. I had problem running my machine (crashed everytime) when I put in the new G4 card last week. then I had to take out all my PCI cards, except the Radeon card reste the CUDA and put them back in and restart, that seemed to solve the problem. Maybe I need to do that witht the ATI card as well, let me try that. Thanks Terrance Any other suggestions? |
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May, 31, 2003 7:18 AM |
terrancew_hod |
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What version of OS X are you running? In my case it seemed with every update my video kept slowing down and stuttering, even with repairing permissions. Maybe it might be with the combination of the Sonnet ATA 100 cards that I have though. |
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RE: Sonnet G4 800, XPF and ATI Radeion MAC edition |
May, 31, 2003 12:00 AM |
gabb |
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I have also noticed a stuttering display problem with Strata 3D pro, which I neer had before, when i try to grab an object on the Strata 3D window the whole object windo whites out for a second, thats something new. should i get Sonnet X, instead of XPF? Gabby |
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