To Ryan -- Finshed With This Forum |
June, 09, 2003 10:27 AM |
macguruguy |
Ryan, I'm finished with this forum. After 65 posts regarding my problem with a frozen curser, I have become so frustrated with this forum that I refuse to use it any further. No software installation is worth the headache of having to manually reconfigure your hardware just to TRY to make it work. Mark |
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RE: To Ryan -- Finshed With This Forum |
June, 15, 2003 7:54 PM |
macguruguy |
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I will try USB Overdrive. Thanks for the info -- appreciated. |
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RE: To Ryan -- Finshed With This Forum |
June, 15, 2003 10:33 AM |
lamitg |
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I to have had a problem with frozen cursors with OSX.2 in a beige G3 Minitower with a PowerLogix 533 G4, Sonnet Trio and Radeon 7000 card. I am also using an Apple USB keyboard and Logtech mouse. I found the following solution seems to provide the best stability and made thefrozen cursor issue go away. Install the shareware USB Overdrive for use as the Mouse driver. Avoid using a USB hub such as plugging the mouse into the Apple USB keyboard, instead plug it directly into the card. |
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RE: To Ryan -- Finshed With This Forum |
June, 14, 2003 9:55 PM |
willschou1 |
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Your right Nick of course but you'd think anyone with enough nerve to call himself Macguruguy would be smart enough to figure out how it get it to work. Many others have! If I wasn't such a nice guy. I'd say something like DON'T LET THE DOOR HIT YOUR ASS ON YOUR WAY OUT JERK But my mother told me not to be like that... Am I the only one tired of all the ungratful bitching??? |
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This thread is dead - leave it in peace |
June, 14, 2003 4:14 PM |
nick.ashton |
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Can't we just let this thread die. It's obvious that Macguruguy is going to insist on having the final word whatever anyone else says. This thread is now totally pointless. Just refrain from the impulse to keep responding to provocation. |
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RE: To Ryan -- Finshed With This Forum |
June, 14, 2003 11:12 AM |
twoolley |
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"Curser Not Working in OS X March, 29, 2003Â 11:23 PM macguruguy "Does anyone know why my curser will not work in OS X? Here's my system: PowerCenter Pro w/800mhz G4 Sonnet Crescendo PCI card OS 9.2.2 OS 10.2 - XPostFacto 2.2.5 used to install OS X Sonnet Tempo Trio Card with ROM 4.6.0 beta 256 MB RAM Using USB Mouse and Keyboard (although I originally had ADB mouse and keyboard installed with same problem). When I boot into OS X, the curser appears to freeze at its startup location. However the mouse is functioning (because I am able to guess and click on things), but the visual of the curser does not move. Anybody have a solution?" You did not mention your video card in your first post for help. Later clarifications are often lost on the first page of a thread, making it difficult for others to look for patterns/similarities with their own hardware and problems. This is a shortcoming of many posters to this board, and not the forum itself. I too wish that this forum were better implemented, but I also wish that posters of questions and those that answer them would accurately post details in first posts since they are always at the top. This would make life easier for an admittedly flawed forum. Secondly, it would be helpful if we had a forum FAQ and perhaps a moderator to daily bump the FAQ to the current top page. This FAQ could contain - among other things - how to format links in our posts, how to get paragraphs to work, how to clearly specify user hardware and software, etc. Tom PowerTower ProSonnet G4 800Sonnet Tempo TrioRadeon 7000OS 10.2.6 |
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RE: To Ryan -- Finshed With This Forum |
June, 14, 2003 9:21 AM |
macguruguy |
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fixitjc and others: THE EXACT PROBLEM with the forum: alot of those posts were just comments like yours. What I need is REAL solutions from people who are using similar setups. The PowerCenter Pro has problems due to its unique Catalyst motherboard (7200). Posting about 9600s or PowerTowers isn't going to help with MY situation. Only a few people actually posted useful info about PowerCenter Pro setups, and those I do appreciate. People like yourself however should KEEP your comments to yourself. |
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RE: To Ryan -- Finshed With This Forum |
June, 13, 2003 3:16 PM |
mjoecups358 |
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Ok, we all agree this forum is sucky, and OWC has had more then enough time to fix it. Why don't we all write an email to custserv@macsales.com? That seems like the best way to get there attention... Please be polite and try not to be too critical of the lame current format! Remember, we need there help on this. I'm going to post a new topic too... Marty |
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RE: To Ryan -- Finshed With This Forum |
June, 12, 2003 10:58 PM |
fixitjc |
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I wasn't going to get pulled into this discussion but... #1 if Sonnet's support was so great why doesn't their software and trio card work for you. #2 as you said there were many useful posts concerning your problem and there have been many others dealing with other problems with the tempo trio card especially it's long name. in-fact it was one of the first posts I seem to remember. You chose to not follow the advice concerning the card and even Ryan told you he would look into it. Having a non-functional machine doesn't seem to be a wise choice. #3 Yes there is a problem with this forum not being searchable and it has gotten far to long to manually search so a lot of the posts are duplicated. There have been many posts to the need for search-ability we are all frustrated by this but we don't blow it off because it is a bit hard to use. #4 I find it rather sad that you lash out at the fact you have 65+ posts, all those people tried to help you. They gave you the benefit of their experience which may or may not apply but at least they cared enough to try. There are some posts that get few or no answers at all. #5 the biggest thing we learn from the joys of running OSX on Old World Machines is.... Patience Grasshopper.... the solution will come or it will not. |
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RE: To Ryan -- Finshed With This Forum |
June, 12, 2003 10:45 PM |
paul_findley |
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OWC Larry: It does seem that you have had plenty of time to upgrade this forum. There are plenty of FREE forums out there with sorted categories, search capabilities, etc. I think everyone has been very patient and polite about this so far, but it is getting a bit pathetic now. |
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RE: To Ryan -- Finshed With This Forum |
June, 12, 2003 11:45 AM |
vvor |
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i have to agree with macguruguy. i think the point is not that xpostfacto does or doesn't work, but that the forum is badly implemented. in fact, it is infuriating.it would take maybe 2 hours to carry all the posts over into a new feature-filled forum that would cut 100's of people's troubleshooting hours down immensely. i gave up on this, too. i purchased the forum support. the only way i got *any* responses to my thread was because i kept inserting *dummy* ping posts to keep my thread on the first page. that is just plain dumb. there are so many out-of-the-box forums that do search, categories, flags, etc. it's insulting to have to keep hitting "next", hoping somebody who has kind-of my hardware setup may have had a problem remotely similar. no, not on this page... next... nope... next...uh... maybe...nope...next.. this is not support. this is a string of unconnected anecdotes. this post says nothing about the actual product though, so i think most of you have missed the point completely. |
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RE: To Ryan -- Finshed With This Forum |
June, 12, 2003 11:07 AM |
macguruguy |
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Regarding the beta firmware -- I got that directly from Sonnet. I do believe that version 4 and 4.5 are the actual software (that's what I was told by Sonnet) -- don't know what they named it 4.6 in the beta -- maybe because the beta was a combined 4 and 4.5? |
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RE: To Ryan -- Finshed With This Forum |
June, 12, 2003 11:04 AM |
macguruguy |
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What pisses me off is that I PAID for the use of this forum. While some of the comments have indeed been helpful, some have been just "comments" as you can see below. Some people seem to think this is their "showroom" to say whatever the heck they please about the trouble that a person is having with their computer, without any regards as to how they then affect that posting and what other people then post in that forum. I'm glad that many of you are able to run OS X on your machines. Marcush, I DO believe that you are correct, and that the Trio card is the culprit. Unfortunately, I don't have the flexibility to remove the card for the sake of installing OS X, and that is my frustration because the card was purchased with the intention of using it with OS X. My original intention was not to install OS X using XPostFacto on my machine, but rather using Sonnet's installer, which I had purchased. Sonnet actually recommended that I try XPostFacto as an alternate. I can tell you that Sonnet provided MUCH, MUCH better support that this forum does, and even gave me my money back because they could not help me get the OS X installed properly. Hats off to Ryan for his time though. Not many people are willing to make that effort and I give him credit. I just wish he could go the distance, although he did contact me and say that he was working on something for the Radeon card. Good Luck to all... |
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RE: To Ryan -- Finshed With This Forum |
June, 10, 2003 8:26 PM |
tempest |
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Totally unsupported, and risky, but if I were you, I would seriously think about hacking the firmware and shorten the name. But then there are other issues with this card... |
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Almost forgot... |
June, 10, 2003 4:01 PM |
chibi_delenn |
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Oops, I almost forgot. MacGuruGuy, if you're still around, how did you manage to get the 4.6.0 firmware beta? All I've been able to obtain is 4.5.0. I'd love to try the .6 version to see if it allows me to boot of my 200 GB HD, which would significantly increase my OS's speed. I just updated your other thread MacGuruGuy. I suggest you try my method, and see if it works. It's worth a try, at least. - Chibi Delennâ„¢ |
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Note on the Trio Card Issue |
June, 10, 2003 3:46 PM |
chibi_delenn |
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I know this belongs in the buried thread I started long ago, but I'll stick it here for the sake of people actually FINDING this thread easily. I applied the 4.5 firmware update for the Trio, which Sonnet exuberantly claims fixes the 8 MB Cache HD problems. WRONG. It doesn't fix a damned thing, and even makes ATAPI support flakier. Unfortunately, the firmware name length (which is a BIG part of XPF having NVRAM write problems with this card) have NOT BEEN ADDRESSED. The name is *still* too damned long. I don't know why Sonnet can't rename the damned thing "UTek-133" instead of "Ultra-Tek133P+". Those extra few characters mean a lot in cramped NVRAM. FWIW, the only reason I'm keeping this Trio card is because I plan on getting Formac's new TVR solution when I have the money for it, and I don't like taking more slots just for firewire when I have USB (2.0 in X, although it's BUGGY AS FUCK), Firewire, and ATA/133 all in one package. Stability-wise, this card is rock solid. Boot-wise, when it comes to OS X on the WD SE HDs, to quote some other online people I know, "MAEKS BABY JESUS CRY!". And no, that's not a typo in there. - Chibi Delennâ„¢ |
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RE: To Ryan -- Finshed With This Forum |
June, 10, 2003 12:37 PM |
marcush |
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Reposted from your other thread: Well, I'm going to take a wild guess here and suggest to you that the Tempo Trio card is the source of your trouble. There was some discussion that went on for a while about the Trio card. The thread was initiated by Chibi_Delenn. As I recall the Trio card fills up OF with its own code causing other seemingly unrelated problems for other devices. Chibi_Delenn, for example can not boot from his 200GB WD SE drive. I have a Power Tower Pro 225 with a Sonnet G4/800, 1GB RAM, Sonnet Tempo ATA/100, Ratoc Firewire/USB2.0 card, M-Audio Revolution 7.1, Zynx 345 10/100 ethernet, and ATI Radeon Mac Edition 32MB. I have both an Apple ADB keyboard and USB Keyboard with built-in hub attached to one of the USB ports of the Ratoc card. A Logitec marble mouse and my Handspring Visor Deluxe cradle are attached to the keyboard's built-in hub. So both in theory and practice you should not have a problem. The only difference I see between you and the other people that have posted to help you is the Trio card. Ergo, this fact and information buried deep in the bowels of this forum indicate that the Trio card is in fact the culprit. I sympathize because I also have a Power Center Pro 210 with Powerlogix G3 375(o'clocked to 480Mhz), 512MB RAM, Acard ATA/100, ATI Rage Orion 128, and CompUSA Firewire/USB combo. It's running 10.2 as a file server right now but space is limited. I use an ADB keyboard with it but ocassionally bring the USB keyboard over to it. Neither machine has the cursor problem you describe. |
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RE: To Ryan -- Finshed With This Forum |
June, 10, 2003 11:42 AM |
pbell3 |
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Huzzah, huzzah! |
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RE: To Ryan -- Finshed With This Forum |
June, 10, 2003 9:42 AM |
tippingj |
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"Anotherone bits the dust!". Its the same old thing. Installing a OS on a completly unsupported computer. Even though I use USB for my cursor, I keep my ADB around just in case. USB isn't supported in OF, so, if you are using USB dude, thats your problem. Don't complain about your problems that nobody else has experienced. There is so much "old" hardware, its nowonder Apple didn't support these machines. I'm happy that my klunker-mac runs MOSX. Thats enough for me. Don't care if its not perfect. Don't care if its not fast. I learned to live with it. Mah mac will only run so fast. Why can't you negative people on this forum think the same way? BE happy with wat you have. Because sooner or later, your gonna hit the limit with your hardware and if your not happy then, you never will be. Thankyou and Have a nice day! |
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RE: To Ryan -- Finshed With This Forum |
June, 09, 2003 9:30 PM |
rsouder4 |
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Well gee, I'd like my 7500 to run at 5 GHz. Perhaps it's Ryan's fault that it doesn't :-) |
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RE: To Ryan -- Finshed With This Forum |
June, 09, 2003 6:08 PM |
ian |
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I don't recall seeing a guarantee of performance anywhere on this site, or in any of the documentation for XPF. If your configuration doesn't work, oh well. It was never intended to run the system anyways, so there is no change in its status as a Mac OS clone. Also, using a primary input device on a non-native bus that is UNSUPPORTED AT BOOT TIME (ie. a USB keyboard and mouse) is just plain stupid. Anyone doing mods to a machine knows that this is a recipe for trouble. It's like trying to netboot a PowerBook Duo over a SCSI Ethernet adapter. |
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RE: To Ryan -- Finshed With This Forum |
June, 09, 2003 3:37 PM |
pwrmactx |
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WOW!!!!! This forum is great, and to have Ryan develop a progem that supports an OS that isn't supposed to be seen on Legacy Macs, we should all be greatful... Let's see Mac "Guru"Guy You have a PCC machine that is not desinged to run passed 8.0 You have PCI filled to the extreme and now you expect a Miracle... From an Apple Owner of a 9600/300 Mac I am thankful and excited of the upcomming great projects, help and software from Ryan... Jim |
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RE: To Ryan -- Finshed With This Forum |
June, 09, 2003 3:25 PM |
powderhaus |
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sorry you feel that way. |
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RE: To Ryan -- Finshed With This Forum |
June, 09, 2003 1:11 PM |
mjoecups358 |
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Ciao Marty |
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