OSX (10.1 or 10.2.x) on PM6500? |
June, 10, 2003 12:04 AM |
steven-nelson |
I bought my wife a flat-panel iMac for Christmas, OSX 10.2.x. I was jealous. So I bought a Sonnet Crescendo/L2 G3 400MHz/1M for my PM6500. I bought a larger HD to replace the internal (defective) Zip drive, with the original ATA drive for booting OS9.1. I have not been able to install OSX 10.1 or 10.2 using XPF 2.2.5. 128Meg RAM, no PCI cards installed. XPF runs to install preboot on drive. Then machine shuts down to reboot Install CD. Black, blank screen. Brief HD activity and then machine stops, but with HD green ID lit like it is doing constant I/O. I have left it this way for hours, no change and no CD drive activity. Also, the green power LED in front never comes on like it does in OS9 when booting starts. I have tried two different 600i CD drives, an external 600e CDdrive, and a scsi HP CDWriter+ 9200 (that is a beast with a different problem). OS9 reboots if option key is held down (whew!) Will the PM6500 run OSX? Will XPF2.2.5 work with both 10.1 and 10.2 install CDs? I am new to this forum so I apologize if I ask old questions. But I really need help, or at least told it will never work. Anxious OSX wanna-be. --Steve |
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RE: OSX 10.1.5 on PM6500 - it works! |
June, 27, 2003 11:40 AM |
voxxdigital |
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OK, OK, it works! I did it! I am now running OSX 10.1.5 on a Performa 6360 with a PM6500/300 logic board - with the original PPC 603ev - without a flaw! I can reboot in OS9, and boot back in OSX as many times as I want! Separate partitons, of course. But my original idea of copying the contents of the installer CD to a (non-destination) partition of the HD worked! Just make sure to drag the CD icon into the HD icon, to copy the hidden files. Then open the folder on the HD corresponding to the copied CD and drag all its contents to the root directory. Then launch XPF, select the install partition (first HD partition, smaller than 8GB), the boot partition (the one which you copied the CD to), take a deep breath and click install. Please read my thread "Unsupported on unsupposed" to have more details. |
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RE: OSX on 603/604 >mjoecups358 |
June, 18, 2003 11:58 AM |
pbell3 |
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I did not say these processors wouldn't run OSX. But switching from OSX>OS9 or OS9>OSX causes severe pram corruption. Tried 10.1.5 on PB-3400, stock 8600 and several others. Without exception ran into severe pram problems requiring TechTool pram-zap to clear each time I tried to use OS9. If I used OS9 several times without zapping pram, computer became perminently hinky. Since then, I have solved the problem by selling off these computers. I now use a iMac/400 ($400) at home, and a Kanga at work. Kanga has hardware problems, but works. Will scrap it for parts when I receive the latest eBay purchased Lombard ($300). This get me completely away from the need for XPF. For these reasons I am moving perminently away from XPF, but I remain interested in developments and will advise folks that need it. As you can see by this post; anyone that is debating expanding their legacy system with a DVD-writer, and a Trio card, can afford to instead spend the money on a used system that supports OSX without compromises. Just my 1-cent worth. |
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RE: OSX (10.1 or 10.2.x) on PM6500? |
June, 13, 2003 1:12 PM |
voxxdigital |
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Have you tried to install OSX form the internal HD? i.e., copying the CD to the internal HD and installing it from the HD? Just a thought. Besides, are you aware if SonnetX doesn't work in your case? |
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RE: OSX (10.1 or 10.2.x) on PM6500? |
June, 12, 2003 3:09 AM |
mjoecups358 |
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I disagree strongly with your assessment of the 603/604. At least the 604 come to think of it, I have never used a 603. I do have a very excellently sold 604/190Mhz based PM8500 which has been running OSX Server for a couple of years now (since 10.0.3) and it has been flawless and without a quirk I also have a great PM9600 604/350 which run 10.15 very well. So I am not sure where you are coming from on the 603/604 thing? But I do agree the 6500 is a waste of time :~:> I've thought that for years.... Marty |
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RE: OSX (10.1 or 10.2.x) on PM6500? |
June, 12, 2003 12:40 AM |
pbell3 |
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If I recall, Ryan has some notes with some FAQ data pointing to a fellow's site who succedded in getting OSX booted on a 6500. I went there and read the data. Seems it is necessary to load the software on the 6500 boot drive from a system that WILL load and run via XPF. Then transfer the drive to the 6500. Voila! However, any crash or setting the thing back to OS9 and then XPF back to OSX and bammo the black/white screen of death. A genuine pain in the posterior. In my opinion, not worth the effort. At least not yet. That goes for any system with a 603/604. I've become convinced that these processors don't work very well because of code in the shutdown and startup/ startup-disk firmware maintainance routines that is written directly in G3 supervisory code. Hence, bad things tend to happen on these processors when switching between OS9-to-OSX or visa-versa. Much better results on most legacy systems when a G3/G4 is mounted in the system. Still quirky, but much more predictable. Hope this stuff is useful. |
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RE: OSX (10.1 or 10.2.x) on PM6500? |
June, 11, 2003 1:34 PM |
mjoecups358 |
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If it is as naturist reports, an issue with the built in SCSI, you might be able to get you machine running via the IDE bus? Hmmm, I'm not sure I see a clear path for you. Marty PS I know for sure someone had a 6400 running? that can't be so different. Also the G3 upgrade is a no go AFAIK. |
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RE: OSX (10.1 or 10.2.x) on PM6500? |
June, 11, 2003 11:04 AM |
steven-nelson |
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I forgot to add to my previous post. After XPF is done and the 6500 attemps to reboot, I get a white screen with RESETing scsi bus as the top line on the screen. I can't tell if the second line has an underscore or is just a cursor underscore on it. Nothing else on screen, no drive activity except a green led is constantly on, on the intended OSX drive. (this led is only on during i/o activity in OS9.1). So I am stuck with the scsi voodoo ... Classic MacOS forever! ;-( Thanks for help. |
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RE: OSX (10.1 or 10.2.x) on PM6500? |
June, 10, 2003 9:34 PM |
steven-nelson |
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Naturist, thanks for reply. The compatibility list did not deter me. I had hoped someone had solved the problems already with a 6500. XPostfacto 2.2.5 seems to perform its duties OK, finding and 'initializing' all my drive devices. The log end like this: BootX extents startBlock: 3296 blockCount: 186 Restarting ... Boot-device: scsi/@0:6 Boot-file: -i Boot-command: 0 bootr -v rd=*scsi/@4:9 input-device: kbd output-device: pci1/ATY,264GT-B@12 ============ (end of file) previous line is last line of log file So, I'll sit and wait ... and hope for XPostFacto 3 --Steve |
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RE: OSX (10.1 or 10.2.x) on PM6500? |
June, 10, 2003 2:35 PM |
naturist |
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XPF 2.2.5 works with both 10.1 and 10.2 CDs, but according to the XPF compatibility chart, the 6500 is a problem machine, as XPF seems not to support either the SCSI or ethernet ports on that particular machine, making installation difficult. Maybe that will be part of the XPF 3.0 version Ryan is working on. Look up at the top of the first forum page and click on the compatibility link for the whole story. |
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