Unsupported on unsupposed - Ryan, please read...! |
June, 25, 2003 8:42 PM |
voxxdigital |
One of my Old World machines is a Performa 6360 with a 6500/300 logic board. I read that I could not install OSX in a PPC 603 machine. Actually I tried that before I read. Then I read in the threads here that the main problem on the Power Mac 6500, Performa 63xx, etc, was that the CD-ROM wouldn't boot. I was wondering, what if I copy the install CD contents to a different partition on the HD and tried to install from there. For my complete surprise, the old Performa actually did boot in OSX in verbose mode and then launched that beautiful Aqua installer! However, things became complicated at the time that the installer asked for the destination disk. It gave a message saying that OS 9.2 were not installed on any partitions (?!?) and that there would be no Classic compatibilty, and that this could be added later. Then, all the destination disks (three HFS+ partitions of the same 20GB ATA drive) were greyed out (?!?!) and the installer got stuck here. It actually went back to text mode and got a message that it unexpectedly quit - then restarted and went back to the same point again and again. It seems that the installer did not recognized any og the partitions as valid install drives - it didn't even gave me the option to initialize the drives (thank God), it was greyed out too. Well, I never imagined it was going this far, anyway. What could I possibly do to finish install? Any ideas? Please...??? |
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JUST BRINGING THIS POST TO FRONT |
September, 03, 2003 7:29 AM |
voxxdigital |
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Here's more PM6500-related articles. |
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RE: More considerations |
June, 29, 2003 11:29 AM |
voxxdigital |
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Hey Nick, thanks for the tip. Does the system sees it lie a printer or does it heve to send faxes from the app itself? One more thing I have noticed: The L2 cache appears as "not installed" in Apple System Profiler. As the computer is a bit slower, I beleve it's not due to OSX itself, but the cache may be disabled indeed. Any ideas on how to make the L2 cache work? Gil |
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Fax software for 10.1 and higher |
June, 28, 2003 9:05 PM |
nick.ashton |
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Try Page Sender or FaxCenter (both accessible via www.Versiontracker.com). I've used Page Sender and it works fine with an external serial modem on my 8600. Although there may be a script for the Geoport modem I'd be very surprised if it actually works under OS X. Indeed, I thought Apple had actually abandoned the Geoport interface even under OS 9. However, you should still be able to connect a serial or USB modem to your machine for fax and/or internet access. |
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RE:Unsupported on unsupposed - Some considerations |
June, 28, 2003 12:32 PM |
voxxdigital |
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Marty, Yes, OSX has the script for the Performa's built-in Geoport modem - which I found very surprising, I thought this modem was incompatible with OSX-compliant machines. BTW, do you know of any fax software that will work with OSX 10.1.5? And yes, I'm aware that Jaguar doesn't run on non-G machines yet... (heard that, Ryan? not *yet*, but with XPF 3 it certainly will...hehe) erm, sorry about my stupidity, but what is CUPS? I have another old world Mac running Jaguar and what I have is a serial printer, a Color StyleWriter 2500. Any imaginable way of making it work on any of these machines? On the Performa would be just great, altough I heard that it's nearly impossible, unless someone write a driver for it. One weird thing: the power LED remains OFF when the Performa is running OSX!! Yes, it doesn't lights at all! Another important issue is that OSX is not 100% stable running on this machine - altough I never found OSX 10.1.x very stable, anyway. I got three kernel panics so far and one time it hanged on boot - had to boot in OS9 then run XPF, and then it boots OK in OSX. |
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Unsupported on unsupposed - Ryan, please read...! |
June, 27, 2003 3:00 PM |
mjoecups358 |
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The fax modem should work ok, printing could be tough depending on what kind of printer you have. 10.2 added the CUPS printing system which supports many more printers, but of course 10.2 WILL NOT RUN ON YOUR 603! Sorry I got loud there, I hope to spare you some pain on that one. Marty |
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RE: IT DID WORK!!! WAHOOO!!! OSX on a PERFORMA!! |
June, 27, 2003 11:10 AM |
voxxdigital |
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Hehehe... Mac OS X running on my Performa.... that was something...! Most weird, is that I didn'd do nothing different - at the point I was stuck in the greyed out diskes, I decided to remove the OSX system files from my boot HD ad just try again - and IT WORKED! Still dunno why... didn't zapped RAM, however. Once OSX finished to install and configure, installed the third-party drivers for my cheap Realtek-based ethernet card, and they worked OK, system boots perfectly. Then installed all updates available from Software Update, everything OK. OSX 10.1.5 running now. Installed SWIM driver for floppy, OK. Stock SCSI CD-ROM works, sound works, built-in ATI display works, external CD on SCSI works, SCSI ZIP drive works. Weird, when I launch the "About this Mac" info window, it says "PowerPC G3 processor"... maybe the 603ev was so unexpected that the system didn't believe... Color calibration works, but does not maintains. If I reboot, color calibration goes back to default and the saved presets does not make any change. If I want calibrated colot, I must re-calibrate manually. iTunes works, could listen to radio... When I launched NetInfo Manager to set up root password, I got an ugly kernel panic, with a lot of white text over black background scrolling over my beautiful Aqua interface... could not restart, the verbose startup ended with a message "We're hang here"... very suggestive. When I tried to reboot in OS9 things went nasty. I got the happy mac icon and then, bonnngg..! It forced restart, white screen with the text message "cannot boot from this device" appearing repeatedly... Oh, rats. Couldn't boot in OSX either. Drat. It was probably trying to boot from the OSX installer in the other partition, I will never know. OS9 CD in drive, it could boot from CD. The system folder in the HD has lost its system icon. As I imagined, the system folder were de-blessed. I tried zapping PRAM, moving it to the desktop and to root again, moving just the Finder, and nothing. It may have somenthing to do with the warning "You have no Classic environment installed" when installing OSX. Result: I moved the system folder ad all OS9-related files and apps to another partiton and clicked on the Startup Disk control panel in the new OS9 partiton and selected it as the startup disk. I was hoping this would work, because the OS9 running from the CD has no startup disk option. OK, back to OS9, everything like before, some corrupted alias, but the rest, OK. Then I launched XPostFacto again, selected the partiton that I installed OSX to boot from and crossed fingers. It restarted, all that UNIX text scrolled in verbose boot, and presto! Here were Aqua again! The first thing I did was trying again to launch NetInfo Manager, to see if it were going to panic again. No panic, could set root password seamlessly. Now I have a bootable OSX 10.1.5 partition and a secon bootable partition with OS 9.2.2... What I found interesting, is that OSX in this machine wasn't as slow as I imagined, it's quite usable for common tasks such as browse the internet, text processing, listening to music, etc (well, who uses a Performa for complex tasks, anyway??). If I could just print and use the fax/modem in OSX, I would kiss OS9 goodbye. Any ideas...? ;-) Gil |
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Unsupported on unsupposed - Ryan, please read...! |
June, 26, 2003 9:58 AM |
fixitjc |
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Maybe try moving 9 to the second partition and clearing the first before installing |
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Unsupported on unsupposed - Ryan, please read...! |
June, 26, 2003 8:38 AM |
voxxdigital |
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Ok, here are more details. The OSX version is 10.1.2 The machine is a Performa 6360 with a PM6500/300 logic board, PPC 603ev 128MB RAM, 512k L2 cache, ATI onboard display (which OSX recognizes), Samsung 20GB ATA hard drive partitioned as 4MB (first, including OS9), 6MB and 8MB (in which OSX installer is on) a Realtek-based PC 100 base-T ethernet card, which I have the drivers for OS9 and OSX. Any ideas? I almost made it... :-( |
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Unsupported on unsupposed - Ryan, please read...! |
June, 25, 2003 10:49 PM |
OSXGuru |
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Yes, it sounds like it may be the 8 GB issue that you are hitting. If your first partition is greater than 8 GB, then the Installer will grey out all partitions. The Installer enforces the 8 GB limit on all Old World machines. |
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Unsupported on unsupposed - Ryan, please read...! |
June, 25, 2003 9:48 PM |
fixitjc |
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I don't presume to be Ryan but I had a couple of ideas Since this is an IDE drive did you try to install on the first less than 8 gig. I'm no software expert but this is a problem with IDE and just might work. Also what version of X are you trying to install? it would probably have to be one of the pre Jaguar versions. Sounds exciting good luck Jim |
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