USB 2.0 both in Mac OS X and OS 9, anyone? |
July, 12, 2003 7:38 PM |
voxxdigital |
Anyone here managed to make an USB 2.0 PCI card to work in OSX, and even harder, to work in OS9? |
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RE: USB 2.0 , update to 10.2.6 |
September, 03, 2003 7:21 AM |
voxxdigital |
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One observation: I realized that altough USB-2 drivers work in previous versions of OSX, it's highly recommended to update to 10.2.6 version, because of compatibility with certain devices. My USB-2 hard drive, for example, only works from 10.2.4 & up. |
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USB-2 NEC chipset download links |
August, 21, 2003 7:12 PM |
voxxdigital |
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NEC chipset USB-2 driver for OSX 10.2.x http://www.macally.com/techsupport/drivers/USB2EHCI_v3_1_2.sit NEC chipset USB-2 driver for OSX 10.1.x http://www.macally.com/techsupport/drivers/USB2EHCI_v108.sit |
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RE: USB 2.0 both in Mac OS X and OS 9, anyone? |
August, 21, 2003 11:11 AM |
jseibyl |
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Come to think of it, my digital wallet (nixvue) actually uses a coldfire processor in it so I can dump image files from a memory card onto the hard drive while I am shooting.....since that sucker actually has a rudimentary OS for stuff as a standalone device, the architecture could be completely different than a standard USB 2.0 drive, though it needs the bridge from the standard mini-figgie IDE hard-drive, wonder if it does things through the processor in it, or if it works through the USB interface........ Wish I could take it apart, but dont want to mess with it.....for now....... |
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RE: USB 2.0 both in Mac OS X and OS 9, anyone? |
August, 21, 2003 11:03 AM |
jseibyl |
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Oh yeah, I have to plug the nixvue drive in AFTER boot also. I can live with that...... |
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RE: USB 2.0 both in Mac OS X and OS 9, anyone? |
August, 21, 2003 10:59 AM |
jseibyl |
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That explains why my Nixvue is just working on the orange micro.....``the IDE bridge is different, and I got lucky :-).... Thanks for the info, this is probally the most informative thread for me to date! |
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OK, now it DEFINITELY works! |
August, 21, 2003 10:39 AM |
voxxdigital |
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Ok, ok... after almost ripping off all my hair, it works...! And most important, I know why! ;-) I'm using a "generic" xing-ling Firewire/USB-2 PCI card, made in Taiwan for the PC market. It has a NEC chipset for USB-2 and "Agere" for Firewire. If you really need details, I can open my computer and write here the chip numbers. This cards is fully working as USB-2 EHCI in Mac OS X and as USB-1.1 OHCI compatibility mode in OS 9. My first (and failed) USB-2 card was a 5-port USB-2 with the same NEC chipset of this one that I have now. It actually worked in OS X, but it was a no go in USB-1.1 compatibility in OS 9. The best thing to do is to get an USB-2 card (with NEC chipset) on the basis that you can return it in case it doesn't work properly. The VIA chipset is NOT SUPPORTED on the Macintosh. In the other hand, specific USB devices may need proper drivers to work. I use an external USB-2 hard drive, and it was hell before making it work. With the OSX standard drivers, the drive mounted in the desktop, but any attempt to use it resulted in a ugly crash that forced me to hard reset. When I installed the NEC driver (USB2EHCI_v3_1_2.pkg) (which is what the Orange driver is), I got an improvement - it crashed in high speed. :-( Then I figured that I needed a specific driver for my USB-to-IDE external enclosure. After I went thru hell trying lots of different drivers, I ended opening the enclosure's USB-to-IDE smart cable (which has a built-in USB-to-IDE bridge) and found that it uses a Genesys Logic chipset. Then I installed the proper driver (GeneIOUSBIDE210.pkg) and voilà ! I got a full go with my USB-2 hard drive! One observetion in the case of the USB-2 hard drive: I have to power it up after system boot or it still crashes. But besides this minor drawback, it works perfectly. For OS 9, there are separate ATA and ATAPI drivers for the Genesys Logic USB-to- IDE chipset. I experienced the same crash-at-boot problem in OS 9.1 - then I ripped out all the USB extensions I could from OS 9.2.2 installer with Tome Viewer and now it woks 100%, no boot problems. I wonder why this still happens in OS X since they appearantly fixed it in OS 9.2.2... If anyone find any trouble finding these drivers over the net (they're available as a free download, but NOT in the NEC website nor in Genesys Logic website), drop me an e-mail. Honestly, I searched so much in the web and bookmarked so many sites that I just can't decide which one I downloaded the right drivers from...! |
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voxxdigital THANKS!!!!! |
August, 20, 2003 9:23 AM |
jseibyl |
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got USB 2.0 in jag baby!!! the NEC drivers work as they should. My nixvue drive now runs at full speed! THANKS AGAIN!!!!!! |
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RE: USB 2.0 both in Mac OS X and OS 9, anyone? |
August, 14, 2003 6:55 PM |
voxxdigital |
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OK, drop me an e-mail and I'll mail you the EHCI USB-2 NEC driver, so you can make a test... i believe this one works. |
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RE: USB 2.0 both in Mac OS X and OS 9, anyone? |
August, 14, 2003 8:16 AM |
jseibyl |
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I know, I have not gotten 2.0 speed, I mentioned that earlier, but since I only have one 2.0 device, I am living with it for now. I tried thye macally drivers for 2.0 and got nothing but kernel panic when that nixvue drive tried to mount, so I rolled back the drivers to the default jag stuff and it is quite stable.....BUT slow speed. |
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RE: USB 2.0 both in Mac OS X and OS 9, anyone? |
August, 10, 2003 6:05 PM |
voxxdigital |
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"OHCI-compatibility mode", typo |
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RE: USB 2.0 both in Mac OS X and OS 9, anyone? |
August, 10, 2003 6:04 PM |
voxxdigital |
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Yes, it actually will woprk without any third-party drivers in Jaguar, but in OHCI-compatibility moe, that is, USB 1.1. You need EHCI drivers (USB 2.0) to make it work in fast mode. |
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USB 2.0 both in Mac OS X and OS 9 voxxdigital |
August, 10, 2003 7:31 AM |
jseibyl |
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My Macally card is model FH2-UF24, the Firewire chipset is TI, the USB chipset is NEC. I actually don't use ANY macally drivers in JAG, it picks up WITHOUT 2.0 support natively. I still get the same who- ha about no USB or Firewire devices in the Sys Prof....When I am looking at the PCI bus, my card shows this..... pci167e,2356 listed 3 times pci167e,225a listed once If I expand out the slot where the card resides, There are four devices listed, one is the PCI bus, the other three are not identified, but give three different device id's 242, 53, 224. I wish the machine would show me that a USB DOES indeed exsist on the machine, but the USB stuff works, (Wacom tablet, Joystick)just at 1.1. I plug in the firewire DVD burner when needed, no prob there. |
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RE: USB 2.0 both in Mac OS X and OS 9, anyone? |
August, 08, 2003 5:42 PM |
voxxdigital |
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BTW, yesterday, before I reinstall OSX, I could copy a 800MB file to my USB-2 HD in about 4 minutes. In OS9 it still works fine, low speed, though. |
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RE: USB 2.0 both in Mac OS X and OS 9, anyone? |
August, 08, 2003 5:38 PM |
voxxdigital |
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What's the chipset of your macally card? I'm actually finding driver problems in OS X, an that's because I have too many drivers... I recently had to reinstall OS X (courtesy of Norton System Works :-( ) and I just don't remember which driver was working - maybe I have to make a few more attempts to get it working again.. - well, it is "working", my USB 2.0 drive mounts, I can read from it very fast, problem is when I attempt to write to it - it crashes the whole system and I have to hard-restart. It seems the system "thinks" it's a cd-rom instead of a hard drive (altough the icon is an USB HD). Still trying to figure out. |
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RE: USB 2.0 both in Mac OS X and OS 9, anyone? |
August, 08, 2003 4:34 PM |
jseibyl |
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My macally firewire combo works, but limited to 1.1 in jag. I tried a driver update to open up the 2.0 speed, plugged a NixVue 2.0 media wallet drive in, BOMB :-( That is the only 2.0 thing I have to test. Had to rollback, oh well, just use the drive for transfer of images. I only have a wacom tablet, and joystick on the USB-no big resource drain, firewire works great with external A03 dvd burner/toast. |
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RE: IT WORKS!!!! YEEAAAHHH!!! HAHAHAHA!!! |
August, 08, 2003 12:26 PM |
voxxdigital |
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It worked!! Finally! With a combo Firewire/USB card!!! USB 1.1 in OS 9, fast USB 2.0 in OS X!!!! Since it's a "generic" xing-ling card, I'll re-open my computer and take note of the exact chipset (the USB part is NEC) of it and will post here what appears in Apple System Profiler. The EHCI driver that worked in Jaguar was Orange USB 3.1.2. |
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RE: USB 2.0 both in Mac OS X and OS 9, anyone? |
July, 18, 2003 12:16 AM |
gabb |
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Voxx, I think I may go back to USB 1.1 Gabb |
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RE: USB 2.0 both in Mac OS X and OS 9, anyone? |
July, 17, 2003 7:56 PM |
voxxdigital |
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Hmmm... so that makes two of us. I also did a thorough search with Resorcerer in the USB Support extension, as well as other USB-related extensions. Are you positive that is there a card list somewhere in the system? I refuse to give up just yet... All documentation I ever read of the NEC-based USB 2.0 PCI cards, whatever brand it is, is that they are full OHCI-compliant, besides of EHCI USB 2.0, and "they work for Mac OS 8.6 & higher with Apple's standard drivers, but USB 2.0 speed is supported only on OS X systems". All the "download Mac OS 9 driver" links in all the pages I found in the web for these NEC-based USB-2 cards points to Apple's own USB Card Support 1.4.1, so I guess it was supposed to work, damn it! What the hell...?! Does it have anything to do with which PCI slot it is in? In OS X, at least, I guess not, because it works. |
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RE: USB 2.0 both in Mac OS X and OS 9, anyone? |
July, 17, 2003 5:56 PM |
nick.ashton |
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Yes, 1033 is the PCI Vendor ID for NEC. It was the device ID (35) that I was interested in - you'll notice this isn't reported by ASP under OS9. Don't worry that ASP under OSX doesn't list your USB bus or devices, this is a known problem with ASP on old world machines. The bad news is that I've looked through the data and resource forks of the USB Support extension for OS 9.x and I can't see any simple device matching table which could be edited to cater for your card. So I'm afraid it's a no-go under OS 9 for now. |
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RE: AAARRRGGGHHH!!! |
July, 17, 2003 3:32 PM |
voxxdigital |
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Installed OS 9.2.2, no go either! The kernel built-in drivers are the same as 9.2.1. |
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RE: USB 2.0 both in Mac OS X and OS 9, anyone? |
July, 17, 2003 11:52 AM |
voxxdigital |
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That's what I got from Apple System Profiler in OSX 10.2.6 E2: | Card Type : Not available | Card Name : pci1033,1735 | Card Model : Not available | Vendor ID : 1033 | Device ID : 35 | ROM# : Not available | Revision : 41 +------------------------------------------+ E2: | Card Type : Not available | Card Name : pci1033,1033 | Card Model : Not available | Vendor ID : 1033 | Device ID : 35 | ROM# : Not available | Revision : 41 +-----------------------------------+ E2: | Card Type : Not available | Card Name : pci1735,e0 | Card Model : Not available | Vendor ID : 1033 | Device ID : e0 | ROM# : Not available | Revision : 2 +--------------------------------+ USB Information: No USB devices found.: +--------------------------------+ (the USB Hard Drive was currently mounted in the desktop.) Weird, sometimes I got bad crashes with the USB drives with the NEC card, I had to hard-restart. |
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RE: USB 2.0 both in Mac OS X and OS 9, anyone? |
July, 17, 2003 10:51 AM |
voxxdigital |
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The extensions I took from OS 9.2.2 were HID Library, Serial ShimLib, USB Device Extension and USB Software Locator. I took from OS 9.2.1 USB Mass Storage Support and USB Support. This last one I beleve it's the most important. I may install OS 9.2.2 in a separate partition to see if it can work (Pro Tools is a different story). The facts I have so far are: Apple System Profiler show three USB controllers in the PCI slots. There's no PCI standard (hardware) incompatibilities with the card and the logic board, otherwise it wouldn't work on OSX. Siverlining Pro shows a "supported" USB bus. Apple System Profiler does not shows any USB bus, and gets a USB log error. Gabb, how are your situation? Which OS do you use? Do you want to test with my drivers (drop me an e-mail)? Tony - yes, my NEC card also is a full go here with OSX 1.2.6. The problem is that I still need to use OS9 to work. I'll check the Orange card closely anyway, thanks for the tip. Nick, how was that "edit the OS 9 drivers to add recognition for your particular card" story? I'm *this* close... |
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RE: USB 2.0 both in Mac OS X and OS 9, anyone? |
July, 17, 2003 10:39 AM |
voxxdigital |
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Nick, OS X shows three "unidentified" PCI slots in place of slot E2. It doesn't show anything, not even an USB bus, even with the USB hard drives mounted in the desktop, working in USB-2 mode! But the PCI slot appears three times, so I guess that's because the card has three built-in controllers. Gabb, you seem to be in the same boat as me. Vendor ID=1033? We have something in common. Is it NEC chipset? BTW, which OS9 version are you using? BTW, Silverlining Pro shows an USB bus on its devices window. When I get info, it shows •••• Bus Information •••• USB Serial Bus v1.5.5 supported. (was 1.4.6 with OS 9.1 drivers). --continues |
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OrangeLink Plus a full GO |
July, 17, 2003 8:15 AM |
Tony.Scaminaci |
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Firewire on this card is indeed working correctly under 10.2.6. Unplugging the iPod and then plugging it back in mounted it on the desktop. Also tried A QPS Que! CDRW burner and it works correctly as well. Haven't tried Orange's 3.1.2 USB 2.0 driver update as I have no USB 2.0 devices to test with it. USB 1.1 is fine as stated earlier. No testing done under OS 9 - we rarely ever go back to 9 other than to run TechTool Pro. |
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