Help me before I put my head in my oven! |
July, 15, 2003 4:36 AM |
marlamiata |
I've spent about four days going in circles. Here is the setup: Beige G3 Desktop NewerTech Zif (from OWC) 3 x 256 RAM (OWC) Tempo Trio (ATA/Firewire/USB) M-Audio card Radeon Mac Edition Okay. Everything installed beautifully! Three partitions: OS 10.2.6/OS 9.2/One for general file storage. Several days ago, I went into System Prefs and chose to startup in OS 9. No problem. Now I want to start up in OS X again, and it's no go. I have done all of the following: reset CUDA zapped the PRAM many, many times held the "Option" key held the "X" key gone to the Startup control panel and chosen OS X pulled the System folder to the desktop I may have done more, but this is starting to be a blur! Now, when the machine goes to sleep, from the other room I start hearing a rhythmic "ding," the same one you get when you are testing volume, every 4 seconds or so. When I investigate, I find that the green power light flashes on in perfect sync with the "beep." Just now, I could not even turn the machine off using the power button. Only yanking the cord would work. I have heard that XPF is only for pre-G3 machines. Can it help me out? What can help me out? Thanks in advance! Marla |
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RE: Sounds Familiar |
July, 16, 2003 5:06 PM |
rsgleason2000 |
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Your problem sounds familiar with what I ran into (go back a page or two and see the topic - "Traded my 7600 for Beige and I need Help". When I originally got my G3 it ran beautifully (OS 9.21 & OS 10.1.5). But when I moved some of the hardware from my 7600 plus installing upgrades into my Beige G3 I too ran into OS-X problems (it'll start to boot and then freeze). I've "almost" tried everything that's been suggested to me and then some. The only thing I have not tried yet is reducing the ram. The G3 Beige is originally designed to run at 384Mb maxed out according to Apple Specs. I too have 768Mb of RAM in my Beige and I'm presently running OS 9.1. But I have done some digging around on information partaining to G3 Beiges and OS-X installation (based on the suggestion about the RAM) and it seems there is some credibility to this idea. Originally my G3 came with a 266MHz Zif and 192Mb of Ram and as I said it ran both OS 9.2.1 & 10.1.5 just fine. After increasing the RAM to 768Mb, increasing the VRAM to 6MB, installed a Powerlogix G3 800MHz Zif with a 800MHz L2 Cache (1:1 Technology) and then moving my ATI Radeon 7000 Mac Edition Card and the Belkin USB 2 Port Card from my 7600 into my G3 did the OS 10.1.5 fail to run. I too zap the PRAM, reset the Cuda switch, even tried various settings on XPostfactor and tried using that to restart in OS-X (as well as using the standard start up disk) and all these things have failed. I even re-installed the original 266MHz Zif Processor and I still couldn't get OS-X up and running. That's why I'm not wondering if it isn't the RAM. If you do solve the problem, please post your results so I can see what you've done. Also, I would like to suggest that this tech Forum is getting so large it really needs to be into two Forums, a Pre-G3 Forum and a G3 Forum. Thanks, Russell Gleason (rsg |
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RE: Help me before I put my head in my oven! |
July, 16, 2003 4:12 AM |
stevesien |
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Could be bad ram. steve |
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RE: Help me before I put my head in my oven! |
July, 15, 2003 10:11 PM |
marlamiata |
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Thanks to everyone. I have decided to shut the beast down and give it a day off (and mostly give myself a day off!) Then I will get up bright and early tomorrow and try all these great suggestions! Thanks to everyone. I will get back to you with my results. And if any more ideas come up, please post them for my plunge into this issue tomorrow morning! Marla |
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RE: Help me before I put my head in my oven! |
July, 15, 2003 10:01 PM |
marcus_ck_lee |
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Hi Marlamiata, You might need to try this - boot your Mac with OS 9 installer CD (holding C during power on), set the Startup disk to the OS 9.x system folder and make sure it is active (a Mac icon on the folder). Then when your OS 9.x boot fine from your harddisk, launch XPF, set the throttle to 4 (range from 4 to 8) and see whether OS X will boot successfully. If it does, then make sure the Throttle is always set to the number that works for your Mac. Marcus |
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RE: Help me before I put my head in my oven! |
July, 15, 2003 12:29 PM |
fixitjc |
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AHH the joys of spell check the word is REPEATEDLY not receptively SORRY Jim |
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RE: Help me before I put my head in my oven! |
July, 15, 2003 12:24 PM |
fixitjc |
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Had a similar problem the other day and I don't know if it was a stuck key or not. I was getting some odd behavior ... unable to get drop-down windows to drop unresponsive dock with repetitive "blooping"(alert sound) and others I restarted into single user to run fsck and when I got to the point where I needed to type fsck -y I could only get to the fcsk before I got a never ending string of 1's guessing I had a stuck 1 key I did a forced restart after receptively hitting both 1 keys and again restarted into single user mode and did a successful fsck and the problem was gone. tho I don't recommend restarting from inside SUM I don't know enough about the UNIX side of OSX to understand the consequences of that action I am a real NUBIE in that world. Good Luck Jim |
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RE: Help me before I put my head in my oven! |
July, 15, 2003 11:50 AM |
mjoecups358 |
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It might help... From OS9 run XPF and select you osx startup partition, then reboot. the dinging flashing light this is just weird (sounds almost like a stuck key on the keyboard). Marty |
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RE: Help me before I put my head in my oven! |
July, 15, 2003 7:57 AM |
nick.ashton |
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It sounds like a hardware problem to me. First check your OSX disk using Disk First Aid and check that your ADB keyboard and mouse aren't faulty or have sticking keys. Disconnect all USB and Firewire devices. Then try installing just one RAM chip at a time in case one has gone bad. If that fails, try removing all non-essential PCI cards and use built-in video. Also remove and reseat the processor and the PCI cards you do need for booting. Consider buying a new PRAM battery. |
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