Apple's 7/14/03 security update - can't boot |
July, 15, 2003 12:11 PM |
brg15 |
After applying Apple's security update http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120232 I can no longer boot up, nor can I access any files on the disk when booting from another partition. I can see the directories but none of the files. The boot process halts at trying (and failing) to load mach.init. If I try to boot up using XPostFacto 2.2.5 it refuses on account of a "disk error". If I boot from another partition and run Apple's Disk Utility it finds "invalid key count" and claims to repair it but doesn't. What can I do? I need some files that are on it. Please help! OS 10.2.6 on 8600 with Sonnet G3/400 and ATI Radeon PCI |
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RE: Apple's 7/14/03 security update - can't boot |
July, 18, 2003 12:58 PM |
voxxdigital |
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Since you're reinstalling the system, I'd suggest you to make a test - try the 7/14/03 security update again - yout hard drive failure may not have anything directly to do with the update. At least you will know for certain. As for Disk Warrior, I'm glad you make it. I had once a sever hard drive crash and of course, Norton finished to f***k up what was left of the drive. I could recover most of the files using Data Rescue - and I learned a lesson: in such case, DO NOT TRY TO FIX THE HD - try ro rescue the data from the untouched drive first!!! Once data is rescued, or when you tried all the possible to recover your files, then you may try to fix the drive to see what happens. |
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RE: Apple's 7/14/03 security update - can't boot |
July, 18, 2003 11:15 AM |
brg15 |
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DiskWarrior did the job. I got all my files back. Unfortunately, I had to reinstall the System because it would only boot to a kernel panic. Ownership and permissions were all screwed. I had to use chown and chmod to fix them. I could not do anything with get info. Everythings back to normal now. I appreciate everyone's help. Thanks a lot. |
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RE: Apple's 7/14/03 security update - can't boot |
July, 16, 2003 9:56 PM |
earlyd416 |
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Did you try booting X as a single user? CMD-S gets you into the single user mode. Then you can follow the instruction above the command line prompt to run "fsck". If you haven't tried it, give it shot. You may get to prompt in the single user mode. |
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RE: Norton Disk Doctor notes |
July, 16, 2003 7:20 PM |
pbell3 |
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What I'm going to say is VERY IMPORTANT!!! Norton Disk Doctor (and some other Norton Utilities) version 6.x or earlier cannot be used for MacOS 10.2.x for any reason whatsoever. Noton Disk Doctor cannot read several common file types used mostly in macOS 10.2.x This means that Norton Disk Doctor and Norton Speed Disk will ignore valid files and overwrite them with files it CAN read, trashing the entire system loaded on that media. You can verify this yourself by checking file numbers in Norton Speed Disk (don't optimize, just do the initialize which reads the disk and decides on an end-result); then check the number of files available in TechTool Pro 3.0.9 (or Equiv) at any point where you can sellect the device to analyze. There will be a significantly smaller file count in Norton. I'm serious about this folks. You use Norton 6.x or earlier on OS 10.2.x and you can kiss the system gooooo-bbbbyyyy. Hope this info helps all ! |
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RE: Apple's 7/14/03 security update - can't boot |
July, 16, 2003 11:39 AM |
marcush |
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Your disk must be severely corrupted. It takes on average up to an hour for disk warrior to check the 20GB partiton I have OSX installed on. The one time when I had overlapping files as you do it took a few hours to complete but the disk and partition were restored to working order. Just let it go. |
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RE: Apple's 7/14/03 security update - can't boot |
July, 16, 2003 10:49 AM |
powderhaus |
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let it go for a long time. It took over 24hours to optimize my 120GB hard drive (with TTP3 in OS 9, but with Drive 10 for OSX it took 30min to 1hour. shows OSX's multitasking and software improvments on micromats part). Unless it crashes let it go. |
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RE: Apple's 7/14/03 security update - can't boot |
July, 16, 2003 9:05 AM |
brg15 |
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Right now I'm running DiskWarrior 2.1.1 on it. And it's at step 6 of 11 "overlapped files detected:20" The option to skip this step is unavailable, yet it's only detecting about 1 file every 15 seconds. There's probably thousands of overlapped files. At this rate it'll run for the rest of the week. This is what happened the other times I've used DiskWarrior in the past. It just keeps finding overlapped files for what seems like an eternity. I have no idea when it will finish. When should I give up? |
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RE: Apple's 7/14/03 security update - can't boot |
July, 15, 2003 2:27 PM |
willschou1 |
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A very simple solution that should work. Boot into OS 9.x and then you should be able to access your OSX hard disk.Then make copies of all the files you want to keep. As for fixing the disk. I'd use Disk Warrior first. Then Norton Disk DR second and I'd run Disk Warrior after Norton just to be safe. It is also possible to reinstall OSX without losing your files or settings. In Jaguar do an install and use archive and save and do not reformat your drive. Saved all my stuff including added apps, internet settings, email etc. Best of luck. |
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RE: Apple's 7/14/03 security update - can't boot |
July, 15, 2003 2:19 PM |
powderhaus |
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Have you ever tryed TechTool Pro? I have always used it and it has NEVER let me down. techtool pro 4 will be out shortly, and i already have it on order and should ship soon. I have tryed other programs but Norton alway crashed when i hit the check button and DiskWarior does not do all that much and TTP does everything it does. I updated with the security update fine, did you make sure it finished? like make sure you did not cut it off part way through? I would write an e-mail to Apple, but tell them that you have a G3 and don't mention XPostFacto or they will blame it on XPF or your unsupported Mac. |
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RE: Apple's 7/14/03 security update - can't boot |
July, 15, 2003 1:58 PM |
brg15 |
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I'm afraid to use Norton because in the past when I've had similar problems it screwed my disk up more by crashing and such - leaving me no choice but to erase and reinstall. Last time I tried Disk Warrior it ran for a whole day before I finally quit it with no solution. This experience makes me nervous to use any utility until I understand what happened. Why did Apple's security update cause this? What did it do to my drive? Perhaps this has something to do with why it mounts with directories but no files? Correction: After "Checking catalog file" Apple Disk Utility claims "Invalid key length". |
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RE: Apple's 7/14/03 security update - can't boot |
July, 15, 2003 1:51 PM |
mjoecups358 |
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Diskwarrior |
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RE: Apple's 7/14/03 security update - can't boot |
July, 15, 2003 12:22 PM |
marcush |
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You need a heavy duty repair utility like Alsoft's Disk Warrior or Norton Utilities. Failing that you could try using Data Rescue to extract the files you need from your disk. None are cheap but I'd swear by Disk Warrior and Data Rescue, and Norton to a lesser extent. |