7300: can't launch programs |
July, 19, 2003 8:19 AM |
gregoryy |
I left my 7300 w/o battery (or RAM, or anything) for six months. Put in a new battery, cuda reset, used TechTool Lite. Can't get into OpenFirmware on startup. I have to do a cold start. Which gives normal "bong." A restart donesn't work. And the sound is "tinny." Previously had something plugged into audio out to muffle the sound. Jaguar was all I had used and the volume would always be at MAX - way too loud. So now I can't get some things to run, and I wanted to do some testing on it. Put in XLR8 Carrier w/ G3/500, 512MB 60 ns RAM, 12x Apple CD, ATTO PSCd. Some applications refuse to open. Anything using the installer package that Sonnet tune-up uses will tell me " can't be found" when I double click on the application. XPostFactor won't load and gives same message. Rebuilt the desktop DB/DF and it seems to have a valid system. Programs open from CD but some require being opened from hard drive system. Lastly, I had trouble with "Big System Morsel" off the CD so I did a custom universal install on my B&W, then moved the drive I used and put it on the 7300. Seems like hardware... but what? New battery |
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RE: 7300: can't launch programs |
July, 22, 2003 11:08 PM |
joevt |
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Sorry, I couldn't figure out why you mentioned SATA drives or what kind of card you would have them attached to (you didn't mention an IDE card and I didn't bother to look up what kind of cards ATTO offers). Now I know your comment about not being able to format SATA drives with Drive Setup was for informational purposes and not for helping to diagnose your problem. Glad to see you got the OS X install to work. I didn't catch that solution you posted 10 minutes before I posted my questions about SATA. There still must be something wrong with your 9.1 installation because CarbonLib 1.6 should work fine. Are you still having restart problems? You're using eight 64MB EDO 60ns DIMMs? Have you done a memory testing overnight using a program like Gauge Pro? |
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RE: 7300: can't launch programs |
July, 21, 2003 4:50 PM |
gregoryy |
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1. I am using 60 ns EDO. However, it use to have 512MB of OWC FPM, and never any trouble. It was running in PTP and it does work in OS 9 at 540/270/ 54 but I changed the Carrier jumpers to 500/250/50. S-ATA is ATA. You CAN use PATA drives with an adapter. I have a couple WD Raptors. However, SATA is no magic bullet for vintage systems. Which is why I still use SCSI drives, Atlas 10K III, Z15 Ultrastar. Why would you think you could do SATA on SCSI controller? ATTO doesn't have any SATA that I know of (Adaptec does, but not for the Mac). The UL3S is strictly Ultra160. You can't even INSTALL Jag with ATTO UL3S. You have to have 10.2.4 as a minimum. And Apple isn't easy to get 10.2.6 installers. Nope. The 7300 was fine with the stuff I had, the memory I had... but it is a little on the slow side compared to B&W or even Beige, even with G3/500. Okay for testing which is what I'll be doing. |
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RE: 7300: can't launch programs |
July, 21, 2003 1:58 PM |
joevt |
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You said you had no RAM in the 7300. What kind of RAM did you add? Restart sometimes does not work with OWC 128 MB DIMMs. You have to use control-command-power a couple times to get it starting (when the boot sound is no longer clipped). I don't know of any problems with 64 MB DIMMs (if you added 8 of those). When it is starting you should be able to get into Open Firmware using command-option-O-F (on an ADB keyboard) or to zap the PRAM with command-option-P-R. Sound volume control doesn't work in OS X on most Old World Macs. Maybe you should try a different OS 9.1 install disk? There should be no "Big system morsals" error. Did you try a clean install? Serial ATA? From the ATTO card? Once you get a proper install of 9.1, you should be able to run XPostFacto, get into the OS X installer, and use Disk Utility to format the drives. |
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RE: 7300: can't launch programs |
July, 21, 2003 1:48 PM |
gregoryy |
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Solution: downgrade CarbonLib from 1.6 to 1.2.5. Weird. I thought it was recommended and that I had used it previouly. Good news, 10.2.6 I can now use UL3S, so not only is 9.1 working, so is latest (and last :( Jag. If Panther would work, I might spend $400 on Sonnet G4/800, as it is, not as likely. |
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RE: 7300: can't launch programs |
July, 20, 2003 9:57 AM |
gregoryy |
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Why would I want to use the option key? I don't have trouble booting into OS 9. I have trouble restarting. It doesn't zap the pram because that takes multiple restarts. Until I can clear that up, that isn't going to help. The option key is designed (added?) to get back to OS 9 after using OS X. I know I'm in unfamiliar territory. I've never seen or heard of anything like this and I scan newsgroups and BBS constantly. The fact that it shows up on a perfectly fine B&W, but doesn't happen in 9.2.2, seems to point to new drivers, firmware, etc. I think leaving the mac w/o battery or cpu or RAM for 6 months really killed it. I wanted to use it to test a program and to donate it. |
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RE: 7300: can't launch programs |
July, 19, 2003 5:07 PM |
sgingras |
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Did you tried to reboot then holding the option key down?? This shoud reboot you in 9. |
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RE: 7300: can't launch programs |
July, 19, 2003 3:36 PM |
gregoryy |
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I am talking about OS 9.1. No need to archive and install which is a jag feature. "Big system morsals" is a 9.1 issue. Reinstall, Add/Remove, or Clean Install are the options. I also tried a clean install of 9.1 on B&W. Same problem. XPF etc and Sonnet Tune-Up 1.2.6/7 won't launch. No trouble if I am running 9.2.2. So, for some reason, 9.2.2 launches these programs fine. I've tried to compare system folders. But the 7300 won't accept 9.2.2 so that's out. And I'd like to know why. I also thought maybe 9.1 didn't like the format of the drive created in 10.2.6 so I used HDST 3.5 on one drive, Disk utility on another. Drive Setup will NOT format SATA drives (if anyone cares, that should prove interesting). How many variables? lots. controllers, driver, OS, firmware on the drive and controller. I also downclocked the XLR8 Carrier from 540/270/54 to 450/225/45. Do difference. I never had any trouble with 9.1 with my 7300 setup before. The fact that it will NOT restart. Won't allow zapping the pram passed the first "bong" - again, it doesn't sound right, "tinny" rather than a full sound. Catch-22. I'd say it was the hfs wrapper and driver, but I think I've ruled that out for now. |
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RE: 7300: can't launch programs |
July, 19, 2003 3:12 PM |
mjoecups358 |
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Did you buy chance use the "archive and install" option? If so, it might be that the applications are trying to refer to the previous system folder... There is an apple tech note on this topic, or you could erase the previous system folder... Hope that was helpful, Marty |
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RE: 7300: can't launch programs |
July, 19, 2003 8:47 AM |
gregoryy |
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...the "new battery" was left from editing and not meant to suggest that putting in a new battery fixed anything but date & time and startup disk information. |
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