10.2 upgrade successful but now machine is wedged |
August, 16, 2003 6:40 AM |
davidma |
I upgraded to 10.2 successfully. Then just for the heck of it i tried switching the video cable from the onboard poermac 7500 video to the ix micro ultimaterez PCI card I've got. Rebooted. Wouldn't get a picture. I futzed back and forth a few times and somehow got my machine into a state where it wouldn't boot squat with any key combitation at boot time you care to think of. After a bit more messing aronud it wouldn't even 'chime'. Futzing around with the sonnet tempo ATA 66 card and drive got it back to chiming. Then switching out the 12speed for an old 4 speed (the 12 speed would boot OS8 but not 9.1 - wierd), and a bit more swapping of parts (tempo ATA 66 swapped for a tempo ATA 100 I have), several pram zaps, CUDA switch, battery removal, etc. finally got me to the stage I could boot 9.1 from CD. Having booted from the CD, I had no trouble seeing any drives. I tried various things to 're-bless' my OS9 system folder. Dragging finder and suitcase out and back, etc. Creating a new system folder and copying everything over, etc. Nothing worked. No matter what I did I would get the blinking question mark at boot time. After some more futzing somehow the machine got back into the 'non-chiming' state. I have left the battery out overnight, so we'll see. From my days of hacking powerPC linux many many years ago I remember hooking up a serial terminal to my Starmax to get to the open firmware prompt. Would that help me with the booting issues here on this powermac 7500 or not? This is beginning to not be worth the aggrivation. This is an 8-year-old machine after all. It may be less hassle to get a newer used system for playing with OS X - something cheap and HASSLE FREE! dave |
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davidma |
August, 17, 2003 7:47 PM |
pbell3 |
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Please see "Booting in 9.1" and read my two entries. The discussion is similar in some ways, and the solutions are right in synch with your thinking. Putting it bluntly, I've had enough of legacy systems running OSX. It ain't worth the effort to me! I now run a iMac/400 ($400) + I added 1-gig of ram. Also have a PowerBook Lombard/400 ($650) + I added 256megs=320megs total. Both work flawlessly under MacOS X.2.6, no special considerations, no stuff that gets busted, no zapping Pram to discover nothing works, no complaints whatever. I try to help on this sig, but I've gone New World Rom, and am totally satisfied with the results. To think I was actually thinking about Linux on my 8600 and my Powerbook-5300 ! |
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RE: 10.2 upgrade successful but now machine is wed |
August, 17, 2003 4:42 AM |
davidma |
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well to make a long story short, for whatever reason my powermac7500 w, G3-400 will positively not boot from any sonnet ATA controllers (I tried 2) nor from any attached IDE drive (I tried 2). that is what it finally boiled down to. I did get into open firmware via serial port (remember NOT to use HW flow control!) but I am too clueless about the firmware to do much with it. I have tried everything, it simply will not work, period. to make the story longer i have it booting off an old 2GB scsi drive now. It tried having the sonnet ATA controller with 40GB IDE drive (with my original OS9 and OS X partitions) coexisting with the SCSI drive but it was just not stable. More random freeze-ups than windows 3.1. So now I have it running OS 9.1 with just the 2GB SCSI drive. The only good news is I did manage to get the apple 12 speed CDs to boot. The secret was to remove the TERM POWER jumper. TERM POWER is not the same thing as termination as I learned. How the heck you set termination on these drives is beyond me (there is no jumper labeled simply TERM). So that part works, even though the ATA controllers now seem to be useless on this machine (but work fine on my starmax). I have no idea what happened to make it quit booting from the IDE drive. At this point I consider my curiosity hacking old MACs to run OS X to be satisfied . I will probably give the powermac 7500 to my dad as just an OS 9.1 machine, or if he doesn't want it, I'll part out the bits that still have some value (the G3 card, 512 MB memory, etc. on ebay). dave |
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10.2 upgrade successful but now machine is wedged |
August, 17, 2003 3:27 AM |
tempest |
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You may need to reinstall. Reinstall with the video cable attached to your built-in video port. After installation is done and you've configured OS X to your taste, shut down the box. It would be helpful if you have a second monitor that you can attach to your IX Micro. Then reboot and see if you get an image on both monitors. If you can get back to OS 9 on your IX Micro, use XPostFacto to change the output device to the PCI card rather than the default of vci0/control@B and restart into OS X. |
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RE: 10.2 upgrade successful but now machine is wed |
August, 16, 2003 6:22 PM |
davidma |
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I am finally able to get into open firmware, sort of. with a terminal program and null modem cable on another machine, holding down cmd-opt OF spits out "Open Firmware, 1.0.5", etc. to the terminal. But I am unable to enter anything, it's not accepting input from either the keyboard or terminal. |
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RE: 10.2 upgrade successful but now machine is wed |
August, 16, 2003 5:18 PM |
davidma |
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I have a little more info. I am able to boot 9.1 from CD and run xpostfacto from my OS9 drive. Here are the settings I have tried to use: boot-device: pci1/UltraTek100+@D/@0:6 boot-command: 0 bootr -v auto-boot?: false input-device: kbd output-device: vci0/control@B What do you have to do to use open firmware from a serial terminal? Is it a null-modem or straight-through cable? 3800 8N1, right? No matter what I do to try to boot from the hard drive, I alwas get the blinking question mark. None of this had ever happened until yesterday's rounds of upgrades. |
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