Jaguar Slowdown after Security Updates |
August, 27, 2003 5:40 AM |
jw.holmes |
I have a PM 9600 with G3/500, 640MB RAM, Jaguar 10.2.6 running on a 9GB Disk, ATI Rage Pro Video Card. I recently installed the security patches using the SW update. After restarting, I verified that my L2 Cache was enabled (Powerlogic Cache COntrol). But, I notice that the computer runs slower, and I get the spinning wheel now and I didn;t get it before. Has anyone noticed this problem. Thanks JW |
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RE: Jaguar Slowdown after Security Updatesjw.holme |
August, 29, 2003 8:05 AM |
jseibyl |
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Hey, I mentioned earlier about how the security updates slowed down my 10.2.6. Rolling 10.2.6 back seems to have fixed the slowdown. Network Services running in the background seem to be the culprit. I know there are some shareware utilities that can see all the running processes, and shut them off, but not versed enough in Network stuff to mess with them, I just rolled back to my 10.2.6 without the updates and am living with it. |
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RE: Jaguar Slowdown after Security Updates |
August, 29, 2003 5:50 AM |
voxxdigital |
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Hey JW, thanks for raising the question! You have to launch Disk Utility, choose First Aid then select your startup disk. The "verify" and "repair" disk will be greyed out, but two buttons, "verify permissions" and "repair permissions" will be enabled. Choose "Repair Permissions". I did that on my 10.2.6 and it did in fact improve performance, but not as stock 10.2.0 - it's about 40% more responsive than 10.2.6. |
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RE: Jaguar Slowdown after Security Updates |
August, 29, 2003 5:18 AM |
jw.holmes |
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I am the original poster for this thread. To answer the question about what version I ran before the security update, it was 10.2.6. I was running 10.2.6 and it was pretty snappy. I then installed the security updates ( 2 of them) and now it is noticeably slower. I did not run fix permissions. Where is this accessed from? Thanks |
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RE: Jaguar Slowdown after Security Updates |
August, 28, 2003 8:43 PM |
voxxdigital |
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OK, now upgraded the test system to 10.2.2 after passing thru 10.2.1. Finally USB-2 hard drive works now! About, speed, it lost some responsiveness. System Preferences icon now bounces 4 times in the Dock before launch. The whole system feels somewhat more sluggish, altough not like 10.2.6. Crap. |
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RE: Jaguar Slowdown after Security Updates |
August, 28, 2003 6:22 PM |
voxxdigital |
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Dammit, this may be contagious! Now I downloaded every OSX updates, from 10.2.1 to 10.2.6! I will try one by one to see what happens! My USB 2.0 hard drive is a definitely NO GO in OSX 10.2.0! Thank God I'm making all my tests in a separate partition! |
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RE: Jaguar Slowdown after Security Updates |
August, 28, 2003 12:50 PM |
jseibyl |
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Crap, now I HAVE to get a radeon card throw it into the 8500, instal 10.2 and then 10.2.6 and benchtest both..... HHMMM....I DO get a few bounces, and a beachball in 10.2.6 on the 9500..... Problem is....if this is true, which I think it is VERY likely since I never benched the two versions just 10.2.6 with and without security updated, 10.2.6 is so fricken stable on my ride compared to what I had in 10.2.0, I would get mildly pissed. I want both stability AND speed dammit! |
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RE: Jaguar Slowdown after Security Updates |
August, 28, 2003 12:30 PM |
voxxdigital |
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Remember the System Preferences bouncing icon? I OSX 10.2.6 with permissions repaired, it now bounces in the dock about 8-10 times before launching, no spinning wheel. In OSX 10.2.0 it bounces 1 time only, no spinning wheel! |
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RE: Jaguar Slowdown after Security Updates |
August, 28, 2003 11:21 AM |
jseibyl |
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"Oh no....NOT AGAIN........" Douglas Adams :-( now you have me wondering if I ran a bench of 10.2.0 vs 10.2.6 what the results would be... I don't think I will go near that on my main machine, but I do have an 8500 g3 that jsut needs a ATI 7000 to get x into...... I will keep you posted, If I do that, you will be the first to know..... |
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RE: Jaguar Slowdown after Security Updates |
August, 28, 2003 11:16 AM |
jseibyl |
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BTW, when I ran that test, I did look around to see why cpu usage was more, there were additional processes running, but I don't recall exactly what they were or how many.... don't blame you about the update, I keep telling myself I will hold off on Panther when XPF 3 is out...but.... |
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RE: Jaguar Slowdown after Security Updates |
August, 28, 2003 11:10 AM |
voxxdigital |
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Well, OSX 10.2.6 with security updates here is WAY slower than OSX 10.2.0 without updates. It really feels like the cache was disabled in OSX 10.2.6. Acually, OSX 10.2.0 feels as snappy as OS9 in my machine. I just found an annoying issue with OSX 10.2.0 - my USB-2 hard drive isn't working. :-( |
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RE: Jaguar Slowdown after Security Updates |
August, 28, 2003 11:00 AM |
jseibyl |
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yes, ran side by side with the two installs. one with security updates, one without, both 10.2.6. used xbench and results were SLIGHTLY better without security updates on two runs, I can get the numbers for you latter, but can't right now..... I had some issues with my original instal of jag, but that could be the newbie factor back then....regardless, system seemed to get BETTER with each update, could be the stability rather than speed, a while ago as well as a few machines ago. I still think the slowdown is with some network services, though I am not sure sure what is safe to disable and what is not, they DO take up sys resources....I saw this is the CPU monitor when I was running the test, although small enough that it might not make a difference, but seemed that way to me...... |
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RE: Jaguar Slowdown after Security Updates |
August, 28, 2003 10:45 AM |
voxxdigital |
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Ok, RTL8139 thing fixed. The problem was between the keyboard and the chair. :-P. I just got back to OSX 10.2.0, ant it IS noticeably faster than OSX 10.2.6. I also did the update with the combo updater. I'm now afraid of doing ANY update...! Are you positive your machine was even more responsive with the updates without the security updates?? |
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RE: Jaguar Slowdown after Security Updates |
August, 28, 2003 9:12 AM |
jseibyl |
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I sold the original machine8500, then went right to jag, and applied the update combe to 10.2.6 on my 9500 |
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RE: Jaguar Slowdown after Security Updates |
August, 28, 2003 9:11 AM |
jseibyl |
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just to clarify, I went through each update one by one as they originally came out, 10.2.3, 10.2.5, then 10.2.6 Each time I updated, things got snappier for me, but I did not apply any security updates, as the machine for the modt part is not connected, internet sharing only from my g3. When I did apply that security update, things got noticably slower. I think it has to do with the network services, but I don't know enough about the network stuff to go there to disable, so rolled it back to 10.2.6 |
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RE: Jaguar Slowdown after Security Updates |
August, 28, 2003 9:07 AM |
jseibyl |
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sorry, just the 10.2.6 update combo from a full install off the original 10.2 install disk set from OWC. |
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RE: Jaguar Slowdown after Security Updates |
August, 28, 2003 8:23 AM |
voxxdigital |
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OK, which version exactly was the "safe" before the update? In 10.2.0 my RTl8139 ethernet card is having a problem with its driver... |
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RE: Jaguar Slowdown after Security Updates |
August, 28, 2003 7:36 AM |
jseibyl |
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I tried, AND got the same results from the update. I have my backup on ane external HD and was able to compare my "updated" install w/security update, against my backed up without. Even with the slower transfer rate on the external scsi, performance on my 9500 WAS better. Thanks to CCcloner, I restored my main internal drive to a state BEFORE the update and have been happy with it. |
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RE: Jaguar Slowdown after Security Updates |
August, 28, 2003 6:27 AM |
voxxdigital |
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Well, I must admit, the spinning wheel is almost gone, but I couldn't say the system is as snappy as it was before. I wento to the point of installing OSX 10.2 without any update in a separate partition, and it's still way more responsive. |
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RE: Jaguar Slowdown after Security Updates |
August, 28, 2003 6:24 AM |
voxxdigital |
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Hmmm.... :-/ |
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RE: Jaguar Slowdown after Security Updates |
August, 27, 2003 5:10 PM |
voxxdigital |
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Hmmmm.... you mean, "Repair Disk Permissions" within Disk Utility? No, didn't try yet... will post here the results. |
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RE: Jaguar Slowdown after Security Updates |
August, 27, 2003 1:09 PM |
marcush |
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Did either of you run "fix permissions" after the update? That may resolve the problem. It is recommended after every system update. |
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RE: Jaguar Slowdown after Security Updates |
August, 27, 2003 11:50 AM |
voxxdigital |
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Hey... i thought it was only me..! I have a similar machine, a PM9600 with G3/400, 320MB of RAM, ATI Rage Orion video card, and I installed OSX from 10.2.2 CD - then applied the OSX 10.2.6 combo update - and IN FACT, the machine behaves as the cache was disabled, it feels way slower now. I wasn't going to notice that if I hadn't to re-install OSX due to a HD failure. After install, I realized that the whole system was feeling quite snappier! When I clicked in the System Preferences icon in the Dock, it lauched immediately! Now the icon bouces about 18 times (then spinning wheel) before System Preferences launch! I'm even thinking about re-installing OSX and do NOT upgrade... Which version did you have prior to the security update? I also get that spinnig wheel all the time now! |
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