MAYDAY, MAYDAY....HELP PLEASE |
September, 02, 2003 11:17 PM |
jgejr |
I get as far as booting OS X CD; select language panel comes up. I select English, then hit "continue" and intaller quits with an Exit (0) restart" messeage. Won't go any farther than this?? Why would it boot and not load? I've got fresh ram from OWC in there, moved PCI cards to top slots, etc. Any ideas? |
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RE: MAYDAY, MAYDAY....HELP PLEASE |
September, 09, 2003 1:53 AM |
joevt |
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Mesh is the fast bus and Curio is the slow bus. On my 8600 they are labeled on the motherboard as FAST SCSI SCSI-0 and STD SCSI SCSI-1. I have no problem with the fast SCSI bus but I'm only using a 500 MHz G3. |
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RE: MAYDAY, MAYDAY....HELP PLEASE |
September, 04, 2003 6:05 AM |
jseibyl |
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Playing the connection shuffle..... I have a 9500 but upgraded from an 8500....not bad for 50 bucks...:-) Anyway, when I upgraded, I just moved all the stuff over to the new mobo, figuring the hardware is pretty much the same, and all would be fine...wrong! I had to take my 2 main bus drives, start them off on the slower connector to get into jag, tweak jag, XPF and repair permissions...THEN I could move it over to the faster bus. I had to adjust the XPF throttle to ten, which seems to be best for my machine. I have 5 scsi drives on the thing, two on fast bus, two on 2940 card, and one big-ass brick(47 gig full size, full height--- gotta love $25 buck refurbs on Ebay) on the external connector. X is really touchy with scsi, and I have to admit I am not sure why this happens, but the closest thing is that it is a timing issue, which would be different depending on if your drives are 7200rpm, 5400 rpm, etc....... |
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RE: MAYDAY, MAYDAY....HELP PLEASE |
September, 03, 2003 6:09 PM |
jonck |
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Hi guys, I was reading this thread and was very much interested by the fact that one of you says that after Jag is installed I can put the HD back on the fast SCSI bus. I also have a 9600, and the following happened to me: the HD was on the fast SCSI bus, with a G3/400 Sonnet Crescendo accelerator card. I installed Jag just fine with the HD on the fast SCSI bus. I then upgraded to a Sonnet Crescendo G4/700 and my machine would no longer boot (got the grey stop-sign at startup). After a lot of fiddling I finally put my HD on the slow SCSI bus and it booted again! In other words, in my experience, with Jag already installed, moving your HD to the fast SCSI bus makes your machine unbootable. Or could I now place my HD back on the fast SCSI bus once it's booted once off the slow bus?? That seems strange to me, but I am anxious to hear what the rest of you would say about this. I did a benchmark and my computer came out plenty fast, except for writing/reading from the HD, there it came out r e a l l y s l o w . By the way, I also have an ATI Radeon 7000 and I did have the issue of Jag not installing with the monitor hooked up to it. The install got through the first CD and a little while into the second CD the screen would go blank and if I would click the mouse the screen would return fuzzy and inlegible. The only way I got Jag to install was by hooking my monitor up to the old graphics card and switching back later after I installed the ATI drivers. Something to watch out for here: don't install the drivers, turn off your computer, hook up your monitor to your ATI and boot back into OS X. You have to boot back into OS 9 after hooking up your monitor to your ATI, and switch the output setting in XPF to your ATI monitor before rebooting into OS X. Concerning the "entire hard disk for OS X by itself" issue: I reserved the entire original 4GB HD of the 9600 to install Jag. I would not "only" reserve 3 GB for OS X if I were you. I have a very lean version of OS X installed, with most of my applications on a seperate HD and it already takes 2.3 GB. Taking into account that Apple advises you always have at least 1 GB free for the swap file you are already up to 3.3 GB. HTH, Jonck |
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RE: MAYDAY, MAYDAY....HELP PLEASE |
September, 03, 2003 4:16 PM |
jseibyl |
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http://www.pacificnet.net/a1/rentals.htm Little diagram of your mobo at the bottom of the page.....note the two internal scsi connectors.... |
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RE: MAYDAY, MAYDAY....HELP PLEASE |
September, 03, 2003 4:13 PM |
jseibyl |
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zapping pram is a procedure that clears out the "parameter ram". In some cases it helps with an install of jag as it clears out where and how the machine does things like look for where the boot drive is, etc.....but it is not the answer to all the problems always. Your board DOES have a second connector for scsi, unless it is some oddball mutant board from a small insignificant third world counrty. anyway....to zap pram..... WHEN THE MACHINE IS ON restart holding down the apple, option,p key, AND R key all at the same time. Keep those four keys pressed until you hear the machine bong three times, then release...... Remember it does take a little voo-doo to be able to do this, and unless you have a feel for the machine, and a working knoweledge of your hardware, it might be best to just keep it on OS 9....... |
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RE: MAYDAY, MAYDAY....HELP PLEASE |
September, 03, 2003 4:00 PM |
jgejr |
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Can I just zap the Pram using Techtool 3? |
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RE: MAYDAY, MAYDAY....HELP PLEASE |
September, 03, 2003 3:56 PM |
jgejr |
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it's OS X 10.2.3. As many times as I've looked at that motherboard. I never noticed a second connector. SSSHHHHHH!! |
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RE: MAYDAY, MAYDAY....HELP PLEASE |
September, 03, 2003 3:49 PM |
jseibyl |
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okay take a deep breath...... :-) Lets start with the scsi chain, follow macrush's instructions, he is correct. Your board has two connectors on it. This is your machine..... PM 9600 Codename: Kansas CPU: PowerPC 604e CPU Speed: 200/233/200x2/300/350 Mhz FPU: integrated Bus Speed: 50 Mhz Data Path: 64 bit ROM: 4 MB RAM Type: 168 pin DIMM Mininum RAM Speed: 70 ns Onboard RAM: 0 MB RAM Slots: 12 Maximum RAM: 1526 MB Level 1 Cache: 32 kb data, 32 kb instruction Level 2 Cache: 512 kb DIMM Slots: 6 PCI Floppy Drive: 1.4 MB SuperDrive Optical Drive: 12x CD-ROM Hard Disk: 4.0 GB 7200 RPM Ethernet: AAUI-15, 10Base-T ADB: 1 Serial: 2 SCSI: DB-25 Audio Out: stereo 16 bit mini Audio In: stereo 16 bit mini Speaker(s): mono Gestalt ID: 67 Power: 390 Watts Weight: 35 lbs. Dimensions: 17.3" H x 9.7" W x 17.3" D Minimum OS: 7.5.5 Maximum OS: 9.1 Introduced: February 1997 Terminated: Early 1998 Before you get your head spinning for the tech stuff, try putting the scsi cable into the other connector on the mobo, it should be right below where it is in now. Let's start here....... Try to instal X and let us know what is going on....... BTW....what version of X are you trying to install?? Is it 10.0, 10.1, or 10.2????? It would help to know this...... |
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RE: MAYDAY, MAYDAY....HELP PLEASE |
September, 03, 2003 3:24 PM |
marcush |
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First, what is your machine.? Mac or clone? What is the model name. This will determine if your machine has two SCSI buses or not. Machines with six pci slots all have two buses as far as I know. Certain 3 slot machines also do. If you look at your logic board and see where the SCSI cable is connected. Is there an identical connector next to it? One should be labled FAST and the other MESH I believe. The MESH connector is the slower external bus. The SCSI connector on the back of the machine is another connector for this bus. |
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RE: MAYDAY, MAYDAY....HELP PLEASE |
September, 03, 2003 3:16 PM |
jgejr |
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The HD is the orig. attached to motherboard. Please explain: is there a second (slower) connection on motherboard? What is a warm boot (in re: to zapping Pram)? Shoul I use the UFS initialize format? I do have a Yamaha external CDRW in an external case it can be attached to orig. external scsi connector. |
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RE: MAYDAY, MAYDAY....HELP PLEASE |
September, 03, 2003 1:00 PM |
jseibyl |
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I have heard about the video card issues with the 7000, never had that one, I think it is the flavour of X you are using. I start with the 10.2 install, bypassing the earlier versions, but I do flash the radeon card to the latest BIOS before instal, so maybe that is the ticket....... |
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RE: MAYDAY, MAYDAY....HELP PLEASE |
September, 03, 2003 12:55 PM |
jseibyl |
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cool, your drive is on the internal scsi chain I assume. There have been reports that by putting it on the second, or slower controller on the mobo, that you can get jag to install. Once it is in, you can switch the connector back to to faster scsi connector. Ideally, and I know some people would differ, it helps to let X have its own hard drive if possible. The IDE folks out there have had issues with partitions, they have to install on the FIRST partiton of a drive. I am all scsi, so someone else would have better input on the IDE experience. I don't think the mouse should be an issue, that one you mentioned uses the standard drivers. Since you only have one drive in the machine, It sounds like it is the standard stock drive, so I don't think there is an issue with scsi timing so that is a plus. I will also assume that you have tried the "reinstall boot extensions, etc" while using XPF in your os 9 install. Lastly there is the zap of the pram. Remember that you should do this from a WARM BOOT ONLY, or you may have to use a sonnet disk to restore your machine to bootability. This helps sometimes. |
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RE: MAYDAY, MAYDAY....HELP PLEASE |
September, 03, 2003 12:52 PM |
voxxdigital |
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I installed OSX on my 9600 with an external Yamaha CD-RW SCSI drive. I read somewhere that OSX 10.2 doesn't have native drivers for the Radeon 7000, they must be installed after the system is installed. If that is true, you should have another video card to do the OSX install. |
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RE: MAYDAY, MAYDAY....HELP PLEASE |
September, 03, 2003 11:54 AM |
jgejr |
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PS. native Apple drivers on that HD. |
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RE: MAYDAY, MAYDAY....HELP PLEASE |
September, 03, 2003 11:53 AM |
jgejr |
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Thanks again. It's a scsi 4GB partitioned into a 1GB with OS9.1 and an empty 3GB partition I'm trying to load OS X into. I don't have an alternate CD Rom drive. May be able to dig one up though. ATI card is in slot C1, which is the 3rd. slot I believe. Moved it around so much I can't visualize where I put it the last time. |
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RE: MAYDAY, MAYDAY....HELP PLEASE |
September, 03, 2003 10:59 AM |
jseibyl |
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BTW, people have said that slot 3 or 6 are best for the video card, mine(radeon 7000) is in 3 and have had no difficulty. I have a 9500, radeon 7000, g4 800, OWC RAM etc.....so our machines are similar..... |
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RE: MAYDAY, MAYDAY....HELP PLEASE |
September, 03, 2003 10:57 AM |
jseibyl |
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Okay...... What is the size and type(scsi or IDE) of the drive you are trying to install X onto?? Do you have your OS9 install on a seperate partition or seperate hard- drive?? What drivers are you using for the HD's....are they the native apple drivers, or third party like fwb???? Lastly, do you have a spare CD Rom lying around that you can throw into your machine.....As I mentioned, I had issuse with my Mashita, I could not even get as far as you did with mine...... Let's start here let us know the answers to these questions and perhaps some help can be offered. I think we can start to narrow it down from here......... |
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RE: MAYDAY, MAYDAY....HELP PLEASE |
September, 03, 2003 10:46 AM |
jgejr |
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Thanks for the responses. I'm on a 9600 with a Sonnet G4 800Mhz. CPU card, fresh ram from OWC, ATI 7000 graphic card. I'm trying to install to the original HD. I usually run an Adaptec scsi 160 card to a Cheetah HD, but have removed that and a USB card for the OS X install. Have original keyboard; but a Kensington "mouse in a box" now. Was getting error on Mashita CD Rom drive; but got past that when Xpostfacto loaded a driver for it. I've tried different throttle settings. Have moved the ATI 7000 to different slots. |
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RE: MAYDAY, MAYDAY....HELP PLEASE |
September, 03, 2003 8:00 AM |
jseibyl |
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CD ROM??? |
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RE: MAYDAY, MAYDAY....HELP PLEASE |
September, 03, 2003 7:00 AM |
voxxdigital |
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What is your configuration? Which computer do you have? Which CPU? How many third-party cards or devices do you have installed? Is your HD SCSI, UWSCSI or IDE? Did you try installing with the minimum "strange" cards as possible? Are you using original mouse & keyboard? Sorry if I don't have the answer to your question right away, but maybe you can try to isolate the problem. |