wont install on my 9500 |
October, 15, 2003 2:46 AM |
juliancode |
when i try and run the install to the hd, it usually freezes at mach_kernel, then i have to hard reboot. It once seemed to install all the way and rebooted the machine, but nothing came up on the monitor so i had to restart and hold c to get back into 9.2. I think I might have something wrong with the system software installed right now (i received the computer for free) and ideally would like to reinstall 9.1 or just get os x to work. any ideas? |
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billbohughes |
October, 17, 2003 2:36 PM |
jseibyl |
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"I always was told that the 9500's had the L2 cache "soldered" onto the MOBO." Nope, you might be thinking of the 9600 that has the cache stuck on, or on the proc card on the mach 5 units or MP, I believe, just reserched this for a job. the 9500 is just the big brother to the 8500, remove the cache card, and you are good to go. |
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RE: wont install on my 9500 |
October, 16, 2003 7:22 PM |
billbohughes |
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jseibyl- RAM may be the big problem here, though my 8500 has mishmoshed ram and DOES boot jag. nuf sed on that. Also, check to see that your L2 cache chip is removed from the mobo, I have seen people come to me with machines that have a g3 upgrade in them where they did not do this, and then started to wonder why their machines always crashed, it is on the proccessor. The cache card is on the mobo, between the RAM slots. The one issue on the 9500, like the 8500, is that you have to take the whole mobo out to get to that L2 cache chip, if you need some tips, email, I can guide you through it, I have taken these things apart many times. When you say sluggish, where is your boot drive?? on the main bus or the 2940 card?? If you DO gewt jag on this machine, it WILL be SLOWER than 9.2, might consider some hardware upgrades since you get the thing for free, might be worth it, you can get 128 EDO RAM for 25 bucks a stick. I tell people that 512 is a good amount of RAM for jag on these, you can run with less, but since ram is cheap, why the hell not. --__--__--__--__--__--__--__--__--__--__--__--__--__--__--__--__--__-- I always was told that the 9500's had the L2 cache "soldered" onto the MOBO. Of course I always wondered "where" since there is a L2 slot within my RAM banks. Anyways, I have a 2 very bizarre suggustions, run a CD Lens cleaner before trying to install X and try installing from the slow-a$$ External (SCSI-1) port. The first time I tried the install (from the original 4x SCSI Apple-ROMed CD-ROM) I'd get kernel panick's out the wazoo, but I moved the CD-ROM and hard drive to the External Bus and froze. I then booted into 9.1, used the Lens cleaner and though it was way slow, it worked. Since then I've acquired new SCSI drives attached to a UL2D, 256MB more RAM, a CD-RW and decided to start off clean with the CD-R/W on the Mac's Internal SCSI Bus. It was a no go, but when I moved the CD-R/W to the external bus it worked. I've since moved the CD-R/W to the internal bus and now Finder, Toast and iTunes burns work great. Just my experiences with my 9500: G3/500 XLR8, 512-RAM, 18Cheetah10K-X & 9Ultrasar7200-Classic/MacOS9.1- (both LVD SCSI) on UL2D Yamaha CD-R/W on Macs' Int. SCSI-2 Bus |
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RE: wont install on my 9500 |
October, 15, 2003 10:43 PM |
lyonsdj88 |
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Make an .img of your HD and rename it .iso Burn. If you are using ez-cd on a pc that will work. All you need in your .img is the System Folder. GOTO apple.com/downloads and get disc copy 6.3.3. enjoy. |
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RE: wont install on my 9500 |
October, 15, 2003 2:38 PM |
jseibyl |
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Might be best to take that drive, put it on the main bus, install jag, THEN use the helper utility once you know your install is good. It would help to install your boot x on a drive that is NOT your main os install. you could screw up your ability to boot 9 on that disk as the low level boot extensions for X are written to that drive, and you would have to remove them to get back to your 9 install if you wanted to boot into 9. That probally means booting from a cd and zapping PRAM......this is just my guess, others might know more on that. I have never tried using the helper to do a full install of jag on a pci card drive, curious to see if it would work....... |
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RE: wont install on my 9500 |
October, 15, 2003 1:49 PM |
juliancode |
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the hd is connected to the 2940uw card. i tried using xpf3 but it crashed on "copying bootx". do i need to install another hard drive on the main bus to use the helper disk? im gonna try that next. i would paypal someone 5 bucks if they knew where to find a 9.1 .iso on the net... |
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RE: wont install on my 9500 |
October, 15, 2003 1:09 PM |
jseibyl |
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It is possible to go to X from 9.2....If you do this, make sure it is as clean as you can make it. Install X to its own clean disk. Do you have any flavour of os9 on disk?? I have formatted all my drives in 9.1 so not sure if 9.2 has issues with that kind of formatting. X will not boot from that 2940 card UNLESS you use the helper disk utility in XPF 3, that is what I am doing now. RAM may be the big problem here, though my 8500 has mishmoshed ram and DOES boot jag. nuf sed on that. Also, check to see that your L2 cache chip is removed from the mobo, I have seen people come to me with machines that have a g3 upgrade in them where they did not do this, and then started to wonder why their machines always crashed, it is on the proccessor. The cache card is on the mobo, between the RAM slots. The one issue on the 9500, like the 8500, is that you have to take the whole mobo out to get to that L2 cache chip, if you need some tips, email, I can guide you through it, I have taken these things apart many times. When you say sluggish, where is your boot drive?? on the main bus or the 2940 card?? If you DO gewt jag on this machine, it WILL be SLOWER than 9.2, might consider some hardware upgrades since you get the thing for free, might be worth it, you can get 128 EDO RAM for 25 bucks a stick. I tell people that 512 is a good amount of RAM for jag on these, you can run with less, but since ram is cheap, why the hell not. BTW, 9.1 disks can be had for ~20 bucks, might be a good thing to do, I think even OWC has some $40 10.2 install kits, but not sure. Lotta stuff here, you my have to crack that sucker open, I would start with the above. |
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RE: wont install on my 9500 |
October, 15, 2003 12:40 PM |
juliancode |
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it has a newer tech g3 333 proc card, 448mb ram all different sizes and manufacturers, pci usb card, adaptec 2940uw pci scsi card with a 18gb ibm hd hooked up to it and an ati mach64 video card. The system seems kinda sluggish in 9.2, I wanted to put a fresh 9.1 on it but I dont have the cd. I bought os x but don't want to spend the 60$ or more on ebay for a 9.1 cd I'm only going to use once.. |
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RE: wont install on my 9500 |
October, 15, 2003 9:31 AM |
jseibyl |
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I love my 9500, works VERY well in X and other flavours of 9 (9.1, 9.2). gregoryy is correct, the hardware is the frist hurdle. Also correct is that a fresh install of 9 is the best place to start. I do a "universal install" of 9 when I am doing a machine like this, in the options, seems to help with oddball stuff. It takes a little extra time to remove some of the power book extensions, but makes things easier down the the road. What can you tells us about what is on the machine (is proccessor speed, ram, drives, PCI cards, etc). If you give a few more details, perhaps we can help. In my own experience, the biggest problems have been with mismoshed ram and scsi timings of the drives, especially if the ram is not the same spped or manufacturer, and the drives are not native format apple drives, and the proccessor is upgraded. Post what you can, I think the 9500 is one of the best designs by apple in the old world, and mine has been a champ in 10.2.6. |
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RE: wont install on my 9500 |
October, 15, 2003 9:07 AM |
gregoryy |
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9500's are fun - once its up and running. Give Disk Warrior a shot at all your drives. If you can boot into the OS X install CD, instead of installing, open Disk Utility and check things out. If your ideal is to start fresh, and this stuff was already on it, go for it. That would assume that most of the hardware headaches were addressed. If you can start the system from the OS X volume, then try two things: 1. use Command + S to drop into Single user mode. run /sbin/fsck -y - repeat if errrors are found and fixed until none type reboot to restart 2. hold down Shift key to boot into Safe Mode this disables or won't run some Apple and any 3rd party extensions and startupitems (there are two folders of 'startupitems' in System/Library and /Library This is backwards, but.. are you in Verbose Mode and seeing "mach_kernel" or did the install begin? If you do a hard reboot, I would suspect there could be problems with boot blocks or with the filesystem. I'd boot from OS 9.1 CD and do a Clean Install to one of the available drives/ partitions, just so you have something solid to go from. There are threads on www.macgurus.com of successful stories of 9500 (I know they are here too, but "where in the world is the search button?" and I've had trouble using links to threads as well. Also on bbs.xlr8yourmac.com Hardware is usually the first hurdle and hard part. A list of what is in there if it gives you any trouble, or remove PCI cards until you have it working and gradually add back. |
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