Who plans on running Panther as soon as possible? |
October, 22, 2003 2:36 AM |
willschou1 |
I'm hoping Ryan's absence is because he's hard at work on XPFacto 3.0 and plans on surprising us ;-) |
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Who plans on running Panther as soon as possible? |
October, 28, 2003 12:46 PM |
mjoecups358 |
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kbata... Is the machine overclocked? If so you should revert to it's rated speed as a test... I know with one of my CPU's if I overclock it I start getting unexpected quits, but if I slow it down closer to rated speed it becomes reliable...,. Marty PS I am jonesing to setup panther on my PTP, now that I see it on my roommates 17" imac. Looks really nice. |
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Who plans on running Panther as soon as possible? |
October, 28, 2003 11:32 AM |
kbata |
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Don't worry, It doesn't look anything like XP. It could be memory problems that are causing the KP's but this computer has been rock solid under Jaguar. It is posable that Panther is more picky. I may try it on my ATI drive again since that install hasn't had a KP yet. The other problem has been apps just quitting. Maybe I'll try removing some pref files. One of the things that fixed a Filemaker quit was to remove my Laserwriter printer and put it back with a different PPD file. I had grown so used to not having any problems with Jaguar. I would recommend that anyone here that is planing on upgrading to find a way to keep a full working copy of your current setup. |
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RE: Who plans on running Panther as soon as possib |
October, 28, 2003 8:18 AM |
tbuckley |
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Anyone do a test drive of Panther, I don't have anything it will run on yet. Was just wondering what the differences are? Heard someone say it was kinda "XP" looking .....ouch |
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Who plans on running Panther as soon as possible? |
October, 27, 2003 12:48 PM |
mjoecups358 |
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Could also be memory problems.... kbata that is. |
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Who plans on running Panther as soon as possible? |
October, 27, 2003 9:08 AM |
gregoryy |
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- kbata, "3 KP's on a fresh install on a SCSI Quantum Atlas II running on an Atto UL2D card." OEM flashed to retail? Did you install ATTO's ExpressPCI Config and "Plus" 2.05 driver? Panther should have installed the Plus 2.04 version. Do you have a good active terminator on the Atlas II? I have similar setup on Beige but the latest Atlas 10K IV (65-68MB/sec, 65% full). HyperMicro sells the drive for $155 (36GB). |
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Who plans on running Panther as soon as possible? |
October, 27, 2003 8:09 AM |
kbata |
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Well I'm back to Jaguar again. With my upgraded B&W and my 7500 I never had a KP with Jaguar. So far over this weekend I had 3 KP's on a fresh install on a SCSI Quantum Atlas II running on an Atto UL2D card. I installed on a drive that is on the ATA bus and haven't had any KP's yet on that one. The biggest problem for me is that many applications unexpectedly quit. Especially Filemaker 5.5. Most of the quits seem to have the same type of error message so hopefully it's something that will be fixed with an update soon. Sadly until that point I'll be doing my work on Jaguar and just play with Panther for now. B&W G3 with XLR8 G4 450 640 megs RAM 2x18 Quantum Atlas II 18 Gig 1X120 Seagate ATA drive ATI Radeon Mac Video |
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Who plans on running Panther as soon as possible? |
October, 26, 2003 5:03 AM |
kbata |
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Panther installed nicly on my B&W G3 with a G4 450 upgrade. So far I like it alot. Expose is great and the new column view set up works good. The boot time is faster and things just feel faster. I did get a KP when I first loaded it after booting up into Jaguair and back but I haven't had any problems since. It's been so long that I almost forgot about them. So far all my apps work. I'm looking farward to getting it installed on my 7500. |
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RE: Who plans on running Panther as soon as possib |
October, 25, 2003 11:50 PM |
willschou1 |
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RE: Who plans on running Panther October, 25, 2003 3:23 PM gregoryy . "It would be nice to disable the onboard video (I need a monitor there to run single user mode and to see what's happening). At least with Radeon you might try enabling QE to at least see what some of the fast user switching and other features are about. If it works well, might put G3/900 or the G4 from Sonnet, either 700 or 1GHz." Why do you need a monitor hooked to the on board video to run single user mode? I've been able to run single user mode with any video card that will boot OSX. My machine Umax J700/S900 doesn't have on board video. So is that a machine with on board video issue? I thought it was just a matter of choicing your video card as out put & keyboard as in put with in XPFacto just like getting verbose mode to work with Radeon cards. It also lets the whole booting process be seen rather then balck sceen until blue sign on. There is one report of PCI Quartz Extreme working better with Panther then it did with Jaguar at xlr8yourmac.com . Which is good because the eye candy of Panther is amazing! I couldn't wait so went down to my local Fry's to play with panther on an iMac 17 inch machine. At first it didn't seem much different but lots of small changes that just make it better. The staff was well trained on Panther already and they love it even the PC heads! The f keys let you do all sorts of kool tricks. Reduce size of windows and all running apps are shown at once spreed out at the push of one button. Switch between users and it does a kool spin cube thing. Not sure these will work on our machines. We will see. Ryan has a log note up. The source code has already let him fix the big Panther mystery that he was worried about. Says things are looking good. I want my Panther now ;-) |
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RE: Who plans on running Panther |
October, 25, 2003 3:23 PM |
gregoryy |
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It would be nice to disable the onboard video (I need a monitor there to run single user mode and to see what's happening). At least with Radeon you might try enabling QE to at least see what some of the fast user switching and other features are about. If it works well, might put G3/900 or the G4 from Sonnet, either 700 or 1GHz. |
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Who plans on running Panther as soon as possible? |
October, 25, 2003 3:10 PM |
mjoecups358 |
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That seems like a pretty good sign... |
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Who plans on running Panther as soon as possible? |
October, 25, 2003 1:45 PM |
kelobro |
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I posted this on XYM but I'll put it here too. I was able to get Panther working without the GUI on a beige G3 (G4/400). I installed it on a blue and white and then moved the disk over to the beige. I then used XPF to set the boot parameters. it boots fine into the console, but can't deal with the on-board RagePro when trying to start quartz. I'll try a rage128 later. |
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Who plans on running Panther as soon as possible? |
October, 25, 2003 1:19 PM |
gregoryy |
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I suspect it was less the lawsuit, more to do with OldWorld firmware and architecture. People with Beige systems had so much more trouble than B&W, Apple built a ROM-on-disk (my name for it) "virtual ROM firmware" to add slave support for Rev A's and there was always dealing with built in Rage video and other limitations. Killing off B&W would mean Yikes! and probably Sawtooth too, but installing Jag was always easy and pretty much trouble free if you had good RAM. Of course there were/are issues of "rev 1" and FireWire support, no AGP, PCI-bridge, and even the video slot 66 MHz is slightly "non-standard." Removing 68K code in OS 9.1 resulted in a smoother OS, fewer bugs, but dropping support for some devices and modems that didn't meet or use USB standards (just as 10.2.5 tried to tighten USB hub standards). I'm sure Sonnet could sell more G4/700's and /1000's if Panther support is do-able and would like to see a solution. And if Ryan needs upgrade/higher fee for XPF 3, fine, too. |
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Who plans on running Panther as soon as possible? |
October, 25, 2003 11:38 AM |
gabb |
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I Got my Panther y'day, I only ordered it on Tuesday and I was expecting it by the end of next week since I chose Fedex Ground(free). I guess Apple upgraded shipping for free and I got it overnight...way cool. I insatlled in in my Ti-book, its cool but I don;'t see significant improvement, Expose is way cool, but i really haven't played with it yet, so its kinda early. I am thinking whether i should try it on my PTP/SOnnet 800 MHZ G4, what do u guys think? |
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Who plans on running Panther as soon as possible? |
October, 25, 2003 7:54 AM |
nick.ashton |
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Apple have just placed the Darwin 7.0 (Panther) sources in the Open Source repository so hopefully Ryan will be able to put the finishing touches to Panther support. |
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RE: Who plans on running Panther as soon as possib |
October, 25, 2003 12:36 AM |
willschou1 |
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The law suits are one of the main reasons for Apple dropping support for older machines. They made promises to support all the power Mac machines with OSX and when they didn't they got sued. The law suits gets people a few bucks but in the long run made Apple decide this would never again. happened Classic win the battle lose the War and the lawyers got rich to boot ;-) Ryan stated on tonights radio show that Apple would likely release the source code in the next couple of days. he really wants to support Panther. So getting panther support out the door may come before the fianl XPFacto 3.0 final if the extras of 3.0 would hold things up. He saod 3.0 final will be out before Christmas and Panther in a couple of weeks he hopes.It is also possible if things come together as hoped they may arrive together and sooner . He just couldn't say at this point. He also said signing up for this forum is going up in price once XPFacto 3.0 goes final. |
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Who plans on running Panther as soon as possible? |
October, 24, 2003 6:01 PM |
jimboud |
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I have a G3 upgraded to a G4 with a 500 MHz Sonnett ZIF upgrade. Jaguar works and installs fine, but not Panther. I guess the installer sees I have a beige machine wo/ built-in USB (I do have an Orange Micro Firewire/USB 2.0 card.). Hopefully all work out. |
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RE: Who plans on running Panther as soon as possib |
October, 24, 2003 4:28 PM |
wenodrog |
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I'm a 1997 Power Mac G3 user, and now find myself in the XPF user forum. God Bless you Ryan. I am eagerly awaiting the XPF version so that I can give Panther a whirl. I just got the class action suit settlement letter for Jaguar yesterday, and it started me wondering what will happen this time since even more Mac's have been left behind with the Panther release? I've got this page bookmarked, so I'll be checking in regularly. Would an email to Apple regarding the source code release do any good? |
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chibi_delenn |
October, 23, 2003 9:46 AM |
jseibyl |
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There is always PCI Extreme, I know there have been some issues with it, but I am currently running it in 10.2.8 and like what it is doing with my 9500. FYI, PCI Extreme seems to work MUCH better with my 64 meg Radeon than it did with my 32 meg version. The only benches I have done are through XBench, and those show much improvement in certain emperical areas, but I am talking about the more subjective "feel" of the finder, screen effects, etc. Hopefully it will work with Panther, buit not betting the farm just yet.... Jim |
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Who plans on running Panther as soon as possible? |
October, 22, 2003 11:52 PM |
thedbp |
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My HD's are primed and ready for a clean install. Got a beige w/ USB 2.0, FW, 10/100 Enet, ATA133, Radeon 7000, and 200GB of internal storage. its waiting to chew panther up. i know it'll happen eventually but i'm impatient ... |
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RE: Who plans on running Panther as soon as possib |
October, 22, 2003 11:33 PM |
willschou1 |
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Word is Panther shipped today ( Wed) to people who ordered from the Apple store.(info from Macsurfer.com I'm not making this up ;-) Expected delivery date is Friday. Norton Sytem disk 3.0 and Disk Warrior 3.0 both boot and run great using XPFacto 3.03a on my Umax J700/S900 clone. I've not tried the 3.0.4a since no issues with the 3.0.3a version. Are you sure you tried hard enough to get it to work? It's not possible to choice the CD in the top panel you leave that set to Jaguar. It the lower panel where you choice the CD to install to the helper drive of your choice. Click install and it boots! If you need more/better info then that I could do a CD boot and write it down as I go. Let me know. Back to Panther I know people are going to try running it. However it's really a waste of time until Ryan finishes XPFacto 3.0 and he needs the source code which Apple won't release until sometime after Panther is offical on Friday. This will be soon I/we hope.He has said he doesn't expect it to take long once he has the code. So I suppose this forum will be filled with doom and gloom stories from failed installs. Don't say you weren't warned that it is very unlikely to run. |
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RE: Who plans on running Panther as soon as possib |
October, 22, 2003 8:57 PM |
chibi_delenn |
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I've been playing with 7b85 (the GM for Panther) and I have to say it's quite nice. It's a real shame that XPF users won't see the glorious benefits of QE or VersaVision (Retail Radeon 9800 Pro eXXXclusive), but man, Panther is sweet. Just a warning for Finder Freaks - You'll either love or hate the sidebar in the Finder windows. Dear god I hate them. With a neverending passion. I want them GONE. They waste precious space. Not to mention, they make OS X look more and more like Winblows XP. Blech. For the record, those that have G5s and took part in the Mac OS Up To Date program are already seeing Panther shipped. I hope my Edu order ships ASAP. I want it on my G4 already. - Chibi Delennâ„¢ |
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RE: Who plans on running Panther as soon as possib |
October, 22, 2003 7:21 PM |
smwalker |
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I probably will be curious and want to try it out (Panther) as soon as possible. Too bad the alpha release of XPF 3.04a hasn't help me boot my Norton Utilities CD as neither has BootCD. Oh well, to be happy with my 7500/7600 and my 9600 and continue the saga with Panther ... |
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RE: Who plans on running Panther as soon as possib |
October, 22, 2003 1:58 PM |
gabb |
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I have already ordered mine frm Apple, I will first try it on my Ti book and then on my PTP/ G4 Crescendo 800 Mhz machine. I don't think it will be shipped until next week. gabby |
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Who plans on running Panther as soon as possible? |
October, 22, 2003 6:55 AM |
jseibyl |
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I do have my entire install 10.2.8 backed up on an external drive, so when Panther comes out, I suppose I will just have to give it a go. ;-) |