Help, no boot for 800 MHz & 10.1.5! |
October, 15, 2002 12:00 AM |
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All was well, until I turned the machine off after a week or so of uptime to find out why my cdrw was whining so much (turns out it has a little fan that is dying). So, it won't come back up! I can get OS9 to come up, but it takes some serious drive juggling. First, hardware specs: 8600, 800MHz, 1 GB RAM, Sonnet Trio as X boot drive, SCSI for Classic, ATI 7k, Audiophile 2496 soundcard. Verbose messages on attempted boot are: After the copyright message, i get a message saying 'using 2621 buffer headers and 1310 cluster IO buffer headers Then, AppleMacRiscVCI: bad range 2(a0000000:00000400) (It stopped at this until I reloaded XPF kernel extensions...), now I get to: Class "CurioSCSIController" is duplicate Duplicate class load_kmod(): kmod_start_or_stop() failed for kmod "com.macsales.iokit.AppleCurio4K78". load_kernel_extension(): load_kmod() failed for kmod "com.macsales.iokit.AppleCurio4K78". IOCatalogue: com.macsales.iokit.AppleCurio4K78 cannot be loaded. I can swap back to an XLR8 G4 card to see if it will boot, but this doesn't bode well! I have tried to throttle back the boot and I don't get anywhere closer. I did load XPF 2.2.3. Things were working quite well, had several reboots last week so I'm not sure what it is. I did zap the PRAM with the cuda button and then reloaded the firmware to get back up on OS9. Stephen |
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RE: Help, no boot for 800 MHz & 10.1.5! |
January, 10, 2003 7:27 PM |
marcush |
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Bravo! I'm glad it finally worked out as a third party hardware problem. I'm waiting for the 970 too. |
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Finally fixed! |
January, 10, 2003 3:57 AM |
macman |
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Sorry for bringing such an old thread to life, but I am happy about the resolution: It appears that my Rev A Trio developed a hardware fault way back when. After several shots at firmware updates, screenshots, new drives, new cables, different memory, different computers, I was finally able to say that it was a hardware fault. I went to a local vendor that had one, popped it in, and I've been happy since the middle of the day. This new one is a Rev B, I wonder what changed? I'll be sending the old one back to Sonnet for replacement. They are interested in looking over it to see what went wrong. I must say that Neal at Sonnet Tech support has been supportive for the last several months. I can only say the best things about him. It's good to know that there's someone (and company) that is aware of all the things that we are trying to do with this old hardware. I can finally use Jaguar! Plus, all my audio apps have been updated in the meantime. Guess my purchase of a new world machine can wait for the IBM 970 chip afterall. :-) Yay! Stephen |
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New firmware from sonnet - different error. :-( |
October, 29, 2002 12:38 AM |
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Update: I gave up on the Trio last week because I had work I needed to do. I installed Jaguar on a drive on the Tempo card and things are going well. Never have been able to get the old 10.1.5 install to boot up properly, on any card. New firmware was released by Sonnet last week and I tried it tonight. The Tempo firmware went well. Can reboot and cold boot with no problems. The Trio firmware doesn't seem to work well, though. You can see the errors on migol.com/openfirmware as the two last links. Essentially, I get a repeating error message that says it can't open the Trio location and then the mac boots to OS9. I've sent a message to Sonnet asking if they can help on this, I'm not sure if this is an XPF or Sonnet problem. Stephen |
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RE: Help, no boot for 800 MHz & 10.1.5! |
October, 21, 2002 2:52 PM |
OSXGuru |
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The messages in your verbose output are all reasonably normal. The PatchedNDRVSupport.kext is only needed for 10.2, so it doesn't load in 10.1. The AppleCurio4K78.kext is only needed for 10.0, so it doesn't load in 10.1. That is what those messages are saying. I'm not entirely sure what the "bad range" messages mean, except that it is something to do with memory, and something to do with video support. But I see them reasonably often in successful boots, so they don't seem too significant. Which leaves the question why things crash to a halt for you. I don't have a really good theory about that, but I'll give it some more thought. |
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2.2.4b1 doesn't fix extensions problem for me :-( |
October, 21, 2002 2:37 PM |
macman |
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FWIW, I am still getting the missing/incompatable extensions. You can see the output at this URL: http://migol.com/openfirmware/whatigetnow.jpg Any help to tell me what I need to examine on these files to determine what is failing to link properly? Stephen |
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Night 6 continued. |
October, 21, 2002 12:53 AM |
macman |
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I just tried removing the XPF extensions, based on information on another thread. I used XPF 2.2.3b1 to reinstall BootX & Extensions. All appear to be created appropriately. I still get the same error that started this whole problem off - that the dependencies for the XPF extensions aren't working. I noticed that when I looked at system/library/extensions, that only the additional items that were added by third parties appear as folders. So I removed my AppleNDRV folder, which had info on the ATI card, since that error message appears before the ones for XPF. Removing it had no ill effects, but didn't solve the problem either. stephen |
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Night 6 report... Still no go. |
October, 21, 2002 12:27 AM |
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I got a copy of Disk Warrior. It fixed a number of problems with the X boot disk as well as problems with my data volume. However, I am back to the original problem of XPF/the OS not finding the XPF extensions during boot. Sonnet has my verbose boot screens to their engineer to see what the problem with using the Trio card as an install card and why I get the errors. I tried the 2.2.4b1 version of XPF to see if 'Reninstall Extensions' would fix the problems with missing extensions on the X boot disk. When I do that command, I get a program error, which I reported in another message. Next I will try to 'uninstall' XPF as mentioned in another thread and see if I can install over that uninstalled volume. Stephen |
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RE: Help, no boot for 800 MHz & 10.1.5! |
October, 19, 2002 2:07 PM |
mjohnson1 |
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I don't know if this will help at all, but... When I was unable to boot in 10.1.5 (similar symptoms as yours) I ran Disk Warrior on every HD connected to my computer. After it fixed problems on a drive that wasn't my X startup drive, I was able to boot into X again. Hope this helps you out... |
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Night 5 Open Firmware strangeness! |
October, 19, 2002 3:58 AM |
macman |
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When I try to do a fresh install of X (Jaguar or 10.1) on a newly formatted drive hanging off my Trio card, it hangs on first reboot after saving extensions to the disk. I get a black screen that never changes, no drive activity at all. When I do a force reboot, I get kicked to the interactive Open Firmware with a repeating complaint: migol.com/openfirmware/repeat.jpg When I reboot again and hold down the option key to go to OS9, I get this prompt: migol.com/openfirmware/repeat_option.jpg I have to disconnect power from the drive to stop the Open Firmware issues. This is based on the Beta Trio drivers I have from Sonnet. Is anyone able to make heads or tails of these screens? I am in communication with Sonnet, but it's the weekend and I don't expect anything from them until Monday. Thanks, Stephen |
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Night 4 report... :-( |
October, 18, 2002 2:25 AM |
macman |
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Sonnet sent a beta copy of firmware for the Trio card. They suggested staying away from Intech's drivers, so I reformatted with the Apple tool. A Trio-based install from my 10.1 cd fails on second boot (after optimizing the initial install and before the 'first start wizard'). URL of boot screens has been updated to feature the latest work. Here's what's fun: for a lark, I tried the Tempo & the Trio in the machine at once, with drives attached to the Tempo. When trying to boot to X, the Tempo failed to open and I was kicked to an interactive Open Firmware session - where you can type BYE or BOOT. Yanking the power cord or holding down the option key didn't stop the situation. I had to pull the cards out and start over again! At this point, so long as I can get my data off the drive in a normal manner and pull it onto an X based drive that I know will boot & run properly, I'll be happy. Guess I know what I'll be doing this weekend! Stephen |
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ight 3 final report.... TRIO card isn't supported |
October, 17, 2002 4:35 AM |
macman |
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Last report tonight, I've hit a dead end and know what my problem is. Not going to work on it any more tonight, because the problem is out of my hands. I did find out what was causing the AppleMacRiscVCI: bad range 2(a0000000:00000400) error messages - it was the ATI7k card, I had left it set to a 1600x1200 resolution, something that was reporting an error. Sonnet X Installer does not handle setting the ATI card as the boot screen. XPF does a nice job of fixing that. The Sonnet X Installer and XPF do not handle the Trio card properly. It appears that the updated firmware of the Tempo ATA100 card can be handled by XPF, but somehow extensions are not getting loaded at some point on an XPF'ed install (vs Sonnet install). OS9 sees the Trio just fine. It was working well before the whole problems started, so I'm not sure what failed. I have a question in to Sonnet to see if they can shed any light or advise on the release of their updater for this card. Stephen |
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night 3 - trying Sonnet's software. |
October, 17, 2002 2:23 AM |
macman |
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I know, I know, why use their software? Well, so far, there's only been two errors: Pull my ATI 7k card and pull the Trio and replace with the Tango ATA 100 card. It's been rebooting OK so far. I've also not installed any cards back into it. I am very curious if the firmware update for the Tango made it fail to be recognized/handled by XPF for 10.1.5. If this is the case, and Sonnet's been keeping that code to themselves, then that explains some of the problems. However, the Tango is not my desired boot card, I need the Trio to allow me to use/do all the other stuff I want to do. Next step is to finish all the software updates, and then install the ATI card, and then to do the Trio, then to do the Audiophile card. Crossing my fingers... |
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night 3 - still no go, URL of Open Firmware |
October, 17, 2002 1:20 AM |
macman |
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Day 3... Abbreviated notes - all actions so far have resulted in no improvement: Reinstalled extensions on the fresh X install I did last night. Swapped back to the Trio card. Swapped my video ram with other ram. Pulled all 128MB sticks and tried 128MB with 2(64MB) non-interleaved sticks - the AppleMacRiscVCI error appears in a slightly different order, probably due to startup being slightly slower. Pulled Audiophile2496 card. Tried reninstalling extensions with older versions of XPF, going back to 2.2 If you look at the errors on the verbose boot screen, it's almost as if the dependencies for the XPF extensions are missing, not being written, or are being corrupted somehow to the point that they won't work. I have posted pictures of my monitor during boot at this URL: migol.com/openfirmware maybe someone can make heads or tails of it. |
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RE: Help, no boot for 800 MHz & 10.1.5! |
October, 16, 2002 4:45 PM |
marcush |
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I've had this happen a few times since I installed 10.2.1. One time I shutdown the machine for 5 minutes and I was able to boot again. I don't know why that worked. Booting in verbose mode I could see the console message "waiting for boot drive". The other times I ran disk warrior on my OSX boot drive, a 20GB Quantum IDE drive, which found directory damage and repaired it. After that I could boot into Jaguar again. I never saw this problem under 10.1.5 so I assumed it was specific to Jaguar. |
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no reboot/cold boot, waiting on root device. |
October, 16, 2002 2:41 AM |
macman |
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installed 10.1 then tried to update to 10.1.5, got the broken folder icon, reinstalled extensions and boot x, now I'm stuck at 'waiting for root device' after the IOSCSI prompts. I didn't tell XPF that I was going to boot from the cd, although that is what is spinning up periodically now trying to find the root device. Anyhow, it appears that the X-based disk tools fixed the drive problem with my data volume, so at least I can get back to that information if I have to do a backup and scrub. No more time to try anything else tonight. If anybody has suggestions, I'm all ears. stephen |
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still not working (details inside) |
October, 16, 2002 1:01 AM |
macman |
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Brutal two days so far. Here's what I've done, I found that one of my volumes on my X boot drive (a Seagate 80 GB drive) has an error in mounting and no amount of 'drive first aid' will fix it. I updated my copy of Intech's hard drive tools to see if taking over the driver for the disk would allow me to control it properly. No luck. This volume has all my data on it, I'm hoping that if I succeed in getting X to run ever again, I might be able to get some better results from fsck. That being said, I have tried to use XPF to boot again. No luck even when reinstalling the extensions. *reboot to os9 cd, reboot to os 9 disk, reboot with xpf* The next thing I did was attach another drive to my ATA card to see if I could install X on it. After an attempt with the drive being attached as a slave, (*reboot to os9 cd, reboot to os 9 disk, reboot with xpf*) I realized that I'd have to attach it to the second IDE channel. (*reboot to os9 cd, reboot to os 9 disk, reboot with xpf*) Still no luck. I'd get to the prompts of initializing the ATA device, but nothing after that. So I swapped back for my Sonnet Tango ATA 100 card, pulling out the Sonnet Trio I had in there. *reboot to os9 cd, reboot to os 9 disk, reboot with xpf* Then I found that the CDrom drive I had wasn't responding to the MESH calls during the XPF install boot where it copies all the files from the installer. This meant that I had to put back the whining CDRW drive, as it seems to be working for that purpose. (*reboot to os9 cd, reboot to os 9 disk, reboot with xpf*) As I speak now, it is running, doing the install of 10.1 Issues that I know of: Sonnet Trio card doesn't like being used as install/boot drive under 10.1 installer disk. Some CDrom drives that can boot an OS9 cd can't handle the MESH calls to do the XPF install (this will be an issue for me when my CDRW really does bite the dust!). |
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RE: Help, no boot for 800 MHz & 10.1.5! |
October, 15, 2002 12:42 AM |
macman |
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Just put my XLR8 450 MHz G4 card back in and swapped my cdrw for a known good cdrom drive. still get the stop at the noted above step. Who can help? If necessary, I have other drives where I can install X again, plus I have my Jaguar CD, but would like to solve the problem without having to do a reinstall. stephen |
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